I have a Jayco 16 footer, at present the gray water outlet has two pipes exiting the van. I have to push two clear plastic pipes onto the outlet and then conect it to the black discharge line all of this is a pain in the but. Can any body tell me if there is a better system. I have been thinking of using reticulation pieces to upgrade but there a million bits to choose from.
Many thanks
R and B
Tony Bev said
04:56 PM Nov 6, 2016
Hello R and B
I hope that I am not too late to welcome you to the forum
If you have already connected your two out pipes, to your one black waste pipe to the drain, and you have had no problems with water from the sink, backing up into your shower, then you can buy the parts at Bunnings, or other simular places.
Perhaps if you take a picture of your existing pipes, with someone holding a tape measure nearby, then the people at Bunnings, or other similar places, will give you the exact parts you require The outlets pipes I have seen are usually made from grey PVC pipe, and you just glue the ends on (with special glue)
I have read reports that some caravans (with washing machines), are not suitable for joining two outlet hoses to the one final black flexible drain hose, without modifications to the pipework Something to do with the washing machine being somehow connected to the sink pipe
I will assume, so could be wrong. Sink and washing machine outlets higher than the floor of the shower Connect two outlets to one flexible drain hose, and washing machine/sink water finds its way into the shower
Hope that this info is helpful to you, as there are many different types of Jayco 16 footers, a picture of the pipes may be helpful
Edit with egg all over my face again, as I forgot to welcome the member to the forum
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Sunday 6th of November 2016 05:09:45 PM
Phil C said
04:56 PM Nov 6, 2016
Welcome to the gang R and B, I did this.
1. 50mm heavy duty pipe. Joined the single pipe from the kitchen sink to the top of the 50mm then in the middle for the shower and bathroom sink
2. Washing machine has its own outlet
3. Quick connects used
4. Cost me about $100 and a bit of time on my back under the van.
I have a recently new 16' Jayco Starcraft and when I first got the van I thought it would be a pain to use the plastic pieces as they were as I thought they would either have to be removed each time we moved or would be knocked off going over rises etc. if kept at the original length.
What I did was cut the plastic tubing off so that the 2 white plastic pieces were about 20-25mm apart when fitted together. I used boiling water to make the plastic pliable and also used some 'slippery' so they would slip on.
I will get a pic tomorrow and post to explain better, but have found the added height (drop) I now have is OK and the water drains OK from the shower, bathroom sink and kitchen sink. I only have to make sure the drain hose is level to the drain point. I thought the original length was way too low.
The pain I have now is that I have 2 drain hoses (short and long) and have to change the supplied Jayco fitting as required with a hose clamp. I'm happy with this arrangement at the moment, but I intend to do some further research to find some more compatible fitting as well, so will be interested to hear if you find anything in the meantime. If I find anything I will also let you know.
Another pain is that the washer in the screw on fitting keeps falling out when not fitted to the pipe.
Here's the photo
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Sunday 6th of November 2016 09:27:10 PM
Looking at the pic, its a bit deceptive as to how far its off the ground. At the height it is, I don't have any problem with back flow.
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Monday 7th of November 2016 08:50:46 AM
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Monday 7th of November 2016 11:18:42 AM
This all seems rather complicated for such a simple issue.
I have a 18 year old Jayco Westport with two 25mm discharge pipes.
I just slip a sullage hose over each & run them both to the pit. No need for fancy screw connections. THey never come off.
In rare cases where the two pipes won't reach the pit I just make up a Y shaped fitting to join the two pipes into one at about ground level (to stop backflow) and join the two discharge hoses for extra length.
I suppose that if your van comes with a screw on outlet, then it shouldn't be too hard to find a couple of slip on fitting to attach permanently.
Edit .. I found a pic showing the two to one adaptor in place ...
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 7th of November 2016 09:04:39 AM
Hi R&B. I have the same van, same outlet set up. I rarely use the jayco adapter. If in a caravan park I only connect the sullage hose to the sink outlet. If an over night bush stop I've got a 12 lt square bucket that fits under both outlets & dispose of it on a tree next morning.. I've never filled the 12lt bucket, only 1 person.
Love my Jayco.
Cheers Pete
-- Edited by wasn_me on Monday 7th of November 2016 12:09:52 PM
I took the start from what PhilC had done and have done a similar thing using male adaptor to fit to the outlet pipe and used a poly cam lock fitting.
I will leave the male adaptor on the outlet and just connect the cam lock with the hose when we park up.
Cost me $40 odd at our local pump/irrigation supplier, but I bought 2 of the cam locks - one each for the shorter and longer hoses. Cam locks are about $15.00 each
Nice job guys,
I have done part 1 of the exercise (cut down the plastic) but sometime use mine separately as the sink water often contains washing-up scraps so needs a bit of mossie net tied over the end before running out onto the ground if the campsite has no drain. Shower and basin can be collected into 20lt container/bucket for separate disposal or re-use for initial rinse of pots and camp ovens.
Been worried that my pipes would be eaten by gravel but after 1200 KM of dirt roads over the last three weeks they haven't broken off yet I believe its a miracle.
When they finally toss it in I will re-plumb from right back at the drains with larger diameter rubber hoses.
Also found that on cold days it was a little tricky getting the clear plastic over the white PVC pipe.
iana said
07:17 PM Nov 7, 2016
Would someone be so kind and tell me what the two outlets are from?
Cupie said
09:11 PM Nov 7, 2016
iana wrote:
Would someone be so kind and tell me what the two outlets are from?
I my case one outlet comes from the kitchen sink and the other comes from the shower & bathroom vanity basin.
R and B said
09:26 PM Nov 7, 2016
The two out lets are one from the kitchen sink and the other from the bathroom.
Thanks to all who have sent answers to my gray water situation. I will take the advice on board and find a solution.
Again many thanks,
R and B
iana said
10:15 PM Nov 7, 2016
Err..... is there any reason why they come out as two separate outlets, then to be joined up as one?
Cupie said
12:16 AM Nov 8, 2016
iana wrote:
Err..... is there any reason why they come out as two separate outlets, then to be joined up as one?
Mostly, at least in the older vans, there is no anti backflow provision in the waste outlet system.
This means that in some circumstances if a single outlet pipe is used then when you empty, say, a full sink then the waste could back up into the shower tray.
So the cheap solution is to just use separate outlet pipes. That what most van builders do rather than spending a few $s installing Hepvo valves or similar in the pipes.
(for this reason you shouldn't join them up with your external waste hoses ... without including a length of external pipe or similar to accomodate any back flow)
Edit ... What I'm trying to say is that water from your sink, rather than running out of the exit pipe, may run up the outlet pipe from the shower onto the shower base. So each is provided with its own exit outlet.
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 8th of November 2016 12:21:31 AM
Peter and JudyH said
10:15 AM Nov 8, 2016
iana wrote:
Err..... is there any reason why they come out as two separate outlets, then to be joined up as one?
Iana,
Cupie is exactly correct in what he says.
We inadvertently had a dish cloth get sucked down the kitchen sink without us knowing it.
When we used the sink again the flow was very slow and water came back up into the shower recess. Once I removed the errant dish cloth all OK and have not had the issue since.
There is no problem with this usually unless there is a blockage of some sort or there is not enough fall on the hose to get the water away.
Peter and JudyH said
10:31 AM Nov 8, 2016
OutbackMK wrote:
Also found that on cold days it was a little tricky getting the clear plastic over the white PVC pipe.
OutbackMK,
That's the reason I decided to fit it and forget it. The day I tried first to fit was a cold one and I had to use boiling water to make the plastic pliable.
The reason I shortened the clear plastic tube was to raise the height - 1- to give more fall and 2 - to try and ensure the assembly was clear when moving onto sites.
So far all have been OK but have been close once to grounding it - but that was a raised concrete pad site.
So far we have not free camped but when we do will keep your advice in mind about "recycling" the water.
Phil C said
11:47 AM Nov 20, 2016
iana wrote:
Would someone be so kind and tell me what the two outlets are from?
One of ours is from the kitchen sink and the other is the shower and bathroom sink. Washing machine on a different outlet.
Phil C said
11:52 AM Nov 20, 2016
The big problem is that the pipes are way too small in bore. Water will backup if there is no easy path for it to follow. So I doubled the pipe size and not an issue.
Look, I know this may be an elephant to kill and ant and a lot of work installing etc. HOWEVER we live in the van and it is now able to deal with waste water clean and efficient.
Forgot to add.. Its real easy now to set up when we arrive someplace. No more bending to put those idiot pipes in place, just a quick connect and bingo.
Hi All,
I have a Jayco 16 footer, at present the gray water outlet has two pipes exiting the van. I have to push two clear plastic pipes onto the outlet and then conect it to the black discharge line all of this is a pain in the but. Can any body tell me if there is a better system. I have been thinking of using reticulation pieces to upgrade but there a million bits to choose from.
Many thanks
R and B
Hello R and B
I hope that I am not too late to welcome you to the forum
If you have already connected your two out pipes, to your one black waste pipe to the drain, and you have had no problems with water from the sink, backing up into your shower, then you can buy the parts at Bunnings, or other simular places.
Perhaps if you take a picture of your existing pipes, with someone holding a tape measure nearby, then the people at Bunnings, or other similar places, will give you the exact parts you require
The outlets pipes I have seen are usually made from grey PVC pipe, and you just glue the ends on (with special glue)
I have read reports that some caravans (with washing machines), are not suitable for joining two outlet hoses to the one final black flexible drain hose, without modifications to the pipework
Something to do with the washing machine being somehow connected to the sink pipe
I will assume, so could be wrong.
Sink and washing machine outlets higher than the floor of the shower
Connect two outlets to one flexible drain hose, and washing machine/sink water finds its way into the shower
Hope that this info is helpful to you, as there are many different types of Jayco 16 footers, a picture of the pipes may be helpful
Edit with egg all over my face again, as I forgot to welcome the member to the forum
-- Edited by Tony Bev on Sunday 6th of November 2016 05:09:45 PM
Welcome to the gang R and B, I did this.
1. 50mm heavy duty pipe. Joined the single pipe from the kitchen sink to the top of the 50mm then in the middle for the shower and bathroom sink
2. Washing machine has its own outlet
3. Quick connects used
4. Cost me about $100 and a bit of time on my back under the van.
R and B,
Welcome to the forum.
I have a recently new 16' Jayco Starcraft and when I first got the van I thought it would be a pain to use the plastic pieces as they were as I thought they would either have to be removed each time we moved or would be knocked off going over rises etc. if kept at the original length.
What I did was cut the plastic tubing off so that the 2 white plastic pieces were about 20-25mm apart when fitted together. I used boiling water to make the plastic pliable and also used some 'slippery' so they would slip on.
I will get a pic tomorrow and post to explain better, but have found the added height (drop) I now have is OK and the water drains OK from the shower, bathroom sink and kitchen sink. I only have to make sure the drain hose is level to the drain point. I thought the original length was way too low.
The pain I have now is that I have 2 drain hoses (short and long) and have to change the supplied Jayco fitting as required with a hose clamp. I'm happy with this arrangement at the moment, but I intend to do some further research to find some more compatible fitting as well, so will be interested to hear if you find anything in the meantime. If I find anything I will also let you know.
Another pain is that the washer in the screw on fitting keeps falling out when not fitted to the pipe.
Here's the photo
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Sunday 6th of November 2016 09:27:10 PM
Looking at the pic, its a bit deceptive as to how far its off the ground. At the height it is, I don't have any problem with back flow.
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Monday 7th of November 2016 08:50:46 AM
-- Edited by Peter and JudyH on Monday 7th of November 2016 11:18:42 AM
This all seems rather complicated for such a simple issue.
I have a 18 year old Jayco Westport with two 25mm discharge pipes.
I just slip a sullage hose over each & run them both to the pit. No need for fancy screw connections. THey never come off.
In rare cases where the two pipes won't reach the pit I just make up a Y shaped fitting to join the two pipes into one at about ground level (to stop backflow) and join the two discharge hoses for extra length.
I suppose that if your van comes with a screw on outlet, then it shouldn't be too hard to find a couple of slip on fitting to attach permanently.
Edit .. I found a pic showing the two to one adaptor in place ...
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 7th of November 2016 09:04:39 AM
Hi R&B. I have the same van, same outlet set up. I rarely use the jayco adapter. If in a caravan park I only connect the sullage hose to the sink outlet. If an over night bush stop I've got a 12 lt square bucket that fits under both outlets & dispose of it on a tree next morning.. I've never filled the 12lt bucket, only 1 person.
Love my Jayco.
Cheers Pete
-- Edited by wasn_me on Monday 7th of November 2016 12:09:52 PM
Heres a better pic......
R&B,
I took the start from what PhilC had done and have done a similar thing using male adaptor to fit to the outlet pipe and used a poly cam lock fitting.
I will leave the male adaptor on the outlet and just connect the cam lock with the hose when we park up.
Cost me $40 odd at our local pump/irrigation supplier, but I bought 2 of the cam locks - one each for the shorter and longer hoses. Cam locks are about $15.00 each
I have done part 1 of the exercise (cut down the plastic) but sometime use mine separately as the sink water often contains washing-up scraps so needs a bit of mossie net tied over the end before running out onto the ground if the campsite has no drain. Shower and basin can be collected into 20lt container/bucket for separate disposal or re-use for initial rinse of pots and camp ovens.
Been worried that my pipes would be eaten by gravel but after 1200 KM of dirt roads over the last three weeks they haven't broken off yet I believe its a miracle.
When they finally toss it in I will re-plumb from right back at the drains with larger diameter rubber hoses.
Also found that on cold days it was a little tricky getting the clear plastic over the white PVC pipe.
I my case one outlet comes from the kitchen sink and the other comes from the shower & bathroom vanity basin.
The two out lets are one from the kitchen sink and the other from the bathroom.
Thanks to all who have sent answers to my gray water situation. I will take the advice on board and find a solution.
Again many thanks,
R and B
Mostly, at least in the older vans, there is no anti backflow provision in the waste outlet system.
This means that in some circumstances if a single outlet pipe is used then when you empty, say, a full sink then the waste could back up into the shower tray.
So the cheap solution is to just use separate outlet pipes. That what most van builders do rather than spending a few $s installing Hepvo valves or similar in the pipes.
(for this reason you shouldn't join them up with your external waste hoses ... without including a length of external pipe or similar to accomodate any back flow)
Edit ... What I'm trying to say is that water from your sink, rather than running out of the exit pipe, may run up the outlet pipe from the shower onto the shower base. So each is provided with its own exit outlet.
-- Edited by Cupie on Tuesday 8th of November 2016 12:21:31 AM
Iana,
Cupie is exactly correct in what he says.
We inadvertently had a dish cloth get sucked down the kitchen sink without us knowing it.
When we used the sink again the flow was very slow and water came back up into the shower recess. Once I removed the errant dish cloth all OK and have not had the issue since.
There is no problem with this usually unless there is a blockage of some sort or there is not enough fall on the hose to get the water away.
OutbackMK,
That's the reason I decided to fit it and forget it. The day I tried first to fit was a cold one and I had to use boiling water to make the plastic pliable.
The reason I shortened the clear plastic tube was to raise the height - 1- to give more fall and 2 - to try and ensure the assembly was clear when moving onto sites.
So far all have been OK but have been close once to grounding it - but that was a raised concrete pad site.
So far we have not free camped but when we do will keep your advice in mind about "recycling" the water.
One of ours is from the kitchen sink and the other is the shower and bathroom sink. Washing machine on a different outlet.
Look, I know this may be an elephant to kill and ant and a lot of work installing etc. HOWEVER we live in the van and it is now able to deal with waste water clean and efficient.
Forgot to add.. Its real easy now to set up when we arrive someplace. No more bending to put those idiot pipes in place, just a quick connect and bingo.
Cheers