Food for thought......I hope that Cindy lets this article go to press.
As a self funded retiree, Im frustrated with Canberras continuous fiddle with Superannuation contributions and rule changes
Plus the measure to Re-balance the Pension Assets Test to be implemented on 1 January 2017.
So here's fair warning to all politicians of any persuasion, this group of aged voters may be about to make the greatest impact on any Federal election in history, ignoring them may be the start of a changed political
environment in this country.
Change the Entitlements
I absolutely agree, if a pension isn't an entitlement, neither is theirs. They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't sustainable. Paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable! The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of Entitlements is over:
The author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message. This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to stop somewhere.
Proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now that the Age of Entitlement is over: 1. Scrap political pensions. Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do.
2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in Centrelink.
A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office. Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians.
Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people.
3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue. This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.
4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people. i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds or accept ordinary Medicare.
6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the Australian people.
7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are void effective 31/12/16.
The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians, that burden was thrust upon them. Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves. Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
Is it time for us to have a level playing for all concerned.
Jay&Dee
rockylizard said
08:39 AM Aug 27, 2016
Gday...
Valid feelings expressed ... and many feel the same way.
However, rants on social media (and forums) will not make change ... there was a recent opportunity to make a change - July 02 just past.
And guess what ... we returned the same pollies (irrespective of party).
Cheers - John
PS - I really doubt Cindy, in her wisdom, will allow this to continue as it really is outside the forum rules.
Ron-D said
09:06 AM Aug 27, 2016
We have a system where the rich can invest a fortune in superannuation (tax dodge) ..
dirvine said
09:29 AM Aug 27, 2016
Ron D not any more if the Libs have their way. But then again Pollies contribute bugger all and get a huge superannuation payout that is way above what they contributed. Neither side will make a change as they all have their snouts in then same trough. When one stands up and says no, the others just ignore it and probably think what a silly bugger they are!
Inland_Sailor said
09:29 AM Aug 27, 2016
Ron-D wrote:
We have a system where the rich can invest a fortune in superannuation (tax dodge) ..
Somehow I don't think this was the group that the treasure was alluding to when he was speaking of the Tax Nots. Funny That!!!
adreamer said
10:21 AM Aug 27, 2016
JayDee wrote:
Food for thought......I hope that Cindy lets this article go to press.
As a self funded retiree, Im frustrated with Canberras continuous fiddle with Superannuation contributions and rule changes
Plus the measure to Re-balance the Pension Assets Test to be implemented on 1 January 2017.
So here's fair warning to all politicians of any persuasion, this group of aged voters may be about to make the greatest impact on any Federal election in history, ignoring them may be the start of a changed political
environment in this country.
Change the Entitlements
I absolutely agree, if a pension isn't an entitlement, neither is theirs. They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't sustainable. Paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable! The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of Entitlements is over:
The author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message. This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to stop somewhere.
Proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now that the Age of Entitlement is over: 1. Scrap political pensions. Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most other working Australians are expected to do.
2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in Centrelink.
A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but should receive no salary when they're out of office. Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians.
Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like the rest of the Australian people.
3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue. This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.
4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people. i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds or accept ordinary Medicare.
6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the Australian people.
7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are void effective 31/12/16.
The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians, that burden was thrust upon them. Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves. Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
Is it time for us to have a level playing for all concerned.
Jay&Dee
This is called - 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' AND UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION IS OUR RIGHT.
Friar Park said
11:36 AM Aug 27, 2016
I agree with the ideals and ideas expressed. Freedom of speech is a right, but there's a place and time for everything. The time has gone (2/7/16). The place is definitely not this forum.
Friar
brickies said
11:51 AM Aug 27, 2016
Adreamer Cindy has rule for this forum we have or should have read them so I would think the OP know this but chose to post anyway .
Aus-Kiwi said
12:42 PM Aug 27, 2016
Thing is the assets test is quite high . So it prevents well healed people syphoning off income into supper to avoid paying tax ., BUT as per usual when and where does this stop ? Same with neg gearing .. It good for paye workers as it assists in building assets . But for arguments sake . $2m portfolio should be enough . But then you could argue . Business expenses are tax deductible no matter the portfolio . Serling our profits to overseas is my concern . Our gov doesn't seem to support our home grown businesses . Seems anything local making profits is immoral ?? Especially the younger Uni educated ..
Bryan said
12:50 PM Aug 27, 2016
Only way is to start a Pensioners and Disabled party.
JayDee said
02:35 PM Aug 27, 2016
Bryan wrote:
Only way is to start a Pensioners and Disabled party.
Now there is a great idea.
Just imagine how much knowledge and skills and life experiences the Pensioners (be they part time or full time or for that matter self funded retirees) have to manage this country.
We would do a much better job in managing the budget, as we all have to do same in our ordinary walk of life.
The P&D party could hold the government at stake for some much needed changes.
Jay&Dee
rockylizard said
03:53 PM Aug 27, 2016
JayDee wrote:
Bryan wrote:
Only way is to start a Pensioners and Disabled party.
Now there is a great idea.
Just imagine how much knowledge and skills and life experiences the Pensioners (be they part time or full time or for that matter self funded retirees) have to manage this country.
We would do a much better job in managing the budget, as we all have to do same in our ordinary walk of life.
The P&D party could hold the government at stake for some much needed changes.
Jay&Dee
Gday...
There was such a party formed during 2015 ... had candidates in many electorates ..... I don't think they attracted enough votes to even get back their deposit.
yep - I'm a member of the Mature Party (first time in my life) and the support for them was terrible. Given how many mature people vote - it was a poor result
Webmaster said
09:24 AM Aug 28, 2016
Hi all, I think I'll close this now. Although this is a valid discussion, in our experience politics always lead to bad feelings which is why we don't allow these sort of posts on the forum. Thanks for your understanding.
Food for thought......I hope that Cindy lets this article go to press.
As a self funded retiree, Im frustrated with Canberras continuous
fiddle with Superannuation contributions and rule changes
Plus the measure to Re-balance the Pension Assets Test to be
implemented on 1 January 2017.
So here's fair warning to all politicians of any persuasion, this
group of aged voters may be about to make the greatest impact on any Federal
election in history, ignoring them may be the start of a changed political
environment in this country.
Change the Entitlements
I absolutely agree, if a pension isn't an entitlement, neither is
theirs. They keep telling us that paying us an aged pension isn't
sustainable.
Paying politicians all the perks they get is even less sustainable!
The politicians themselves, in Canberra, brought it up, that the Age of
Entitlements is over:
The author is asking each addressee to forward this email to a
minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask each of those to
do likewise. In three days, most people in Australia will have this message.
This is one idea that really should be passed around because the rot has to
stop somewhere.
Proposals to make politicians shoulder their share of the weight now
that the Age of Entitlement is over:
1. Scrap political pensions.
Politicians can purchase their own retirement plan, just as most
other working Australians are expected to do.
2. Retired politicians (past, present & future) participate in
Centrelink.
A Politician collects a substantial salary while in office but
should receive no salary when they're out of office.
Terminated politicians under 70 can go get a job or apply for
Centrelink unemployment benefits like ordinary Australians.
Terminated politicians under 70 can negotiate with Centrelink like
the rest of the Australian people.
3. Funds already allocated to the Politicians' retirement fund be
returned immediately to Consolidated Revenue.
This money is to be used to pay down debt they created which they
expect us and our grandchildren to repay for them.
4. Politicians will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
politicians pay will rise by the lower of, either the CPI or 3%.
5. Politicians lose their privileged health care system and
participate in the same health care system as ordinary Australian people.
i.e. Politicians either pay for private cover from their own funds
or accept ordinary Medicare.
6. Politicians must equally abide by all laws they impose on the
Australian people.
7. All contracts with past and present Politicians men/women are
void effective 31/12/16.
The Australian people did not agree to provide perks to Politicians,
that burden was thrust upon them.
Politicians devised all these contracts to benefit themselves.
Serving in Parliament is an honour not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so our
politicians should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
Is it time for us to have a level playing for all concerned.
Jay&Dee
Gday...
Valid feelings expressed ... and many feel the same way.
However, rants on social media (and forums) will not make change ... there was a recent opportunity to make a change - July 02 just past.
And guess what ... we returned the same pollies (irrespective of party).
Cheers - John
PS - I really doubt Cindy, in her wisdom, will allow this to continue as it really is outside the forum rules.
We have a system where the rich can invest a fortune in superannuation (tax dodge) ..
Somehow I don't think this was the group that the treasure was alluding to when he was speaking of the Tax Nots. Funny That!!!
This is called - 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' AND UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION IS OUR RIGHT.
I agree with the ideals and ideas expressed. Freedom of speech is a right, but there's a place and time for everything. The time has gone (2/7/16). The place is definitely not this forum.
Friar
Only way is to start a Pensioners and Disabled party.
Now there is a great idea.
Just imagine how much knowledge and skills and life experiences the Pensioners (be they part time or full time or for that matter self funded retirees) have to manage this country.
We would do a much better job in managing the budget, as we all have to do same in our ordinary walk of life.
The P&D party could hold the government at stake for some much needed changes.
Jay&Dee
Gday...
There was such a party formed during 2015 ... had candidates in many electorates ..... I don't think they attracted enough votes to even get back their deposit.
http://matureaustralia.com.au/about-map/
Cheers - John
Hi all,
I think I'll close this now. Although this is a valid discussion, in our experience politics always lead to bad feelings which is why we don't allow these sort of posts on the forum.
Thanks for your understanding.