Here we are parked in front of our own home of 30 years. And our own council books us $106 for having our trail across / obstruct driveway. ITS OUR OWN BLOODY DRIVEWAY.
I don't see their name on our deeds. They have to be joking.
42 years of good driving/ no infringments. And this council employee wants to extract $106 extra for the council pockets. Not happening.
Jim
gumpybsc said
06:36 PM May 14, 2016
Just a chest-beating do-gooder inspector from the local council driving around looking for opportunities to raise revenue for his employer, and to get his performance quota up. One of my PET HATES
What state you in Jim? If it's in NSW the fine will be administered by the SDRO (State Debt Recovery Office), and they will waive the fine if you haven't been booked for anything in the past ten years. All you need to do is write in to them, quote the infringement number, and briefly put your case to them including the fact that you haven't had an infringement for 42 years. They'd cancel the fine I'm confident.
Alternatively if you elect to take it to court I'm sure the magistrate would be practical, see the stupidity in the fine being issued, and order that it be waived. Trouble with this alternative however is it would cost you the day having to front up to the court and hang around feeling like a crook and mingling with all the other crooks and losers.
Aus-Kiwi said
06:57 PM May 14, 2016
Just pay it you've got away with speeding and all sorts up till now !! Ahahaha .. Write in say it's your drive way . You Just eent inside to get keys or toilet etc ..
Yuglamron said
06:58 PM May 14, 2016
I suppose I am very, very naïve but isn't the Council employed by the PEOPLE to look after the interests of the PEOPLE of the Shire?
-- Edited by Yuglamron on Saturday 14th of May 2016 06:59:18 PM
Bryan said
07:15 PM May 14, 2016
Yuglamron wrote:
I suppose I am very, very naïve but isn't the Council employed by the PEOPLE to look after the interests of the PEOPLE of the Shire?
-- Edited by Yuglamron on Saturday 14th of May 2016 06:59:18 PM
So I understand are the politicians which is why they are all called public servants but I don't think they know it. GRRRRR
brickies said
07:32 PM May 14, 2016
Our local council have also have been cracking down on parking across the path , To clear one matter up the deeds of our property stop at the fence line and does not include the foot path , The local council have received complaints about cars and other things blocking passage of people on foot path and people having to walk on the roadway . So which ever way they act they wont please everyone .
The Phantom said
10:09 PM May 14, 2016
gumpybsc wrote:
Just a chest-beating do-gooder inspector from the local council driving around looking for opportunities to raise revenue for his employer, and to get his performance quota up. One of my PET HATES
What state you in Jim?
Wow. You ARE right on top of it. Perhaps Hey Jim should hire you to represent him in court.
The Phantom
hako said
10:19 PM May 14, 2016
The council inspector would not have known that it was your vehicle(s) across the driveway so really you cannot complain - the l;aw is that you do not park across driveways, however I'd reckon a letter to the council nicely worded would see them cancel it.
Good Luck.
Hey Jim said
10:43 PM May 14, 2016
Hi everyone,
I will fight this all the way. We are talking about 60cm total. our families cars are parked in front around the clock Bunch of $#^)*&@ Heads.
Jim
meetoo said
12:13 AM May 15, 2016
Yep, another case of councils going nuts. Happens all to often unfortunately.
Sorry to see it happened to you.
Write that letter, worked for me once.
Cheers, John
PeterD said
12:29 AM May 15, 2016
Yuglamron wrote:
I suppose I am very, very naïve but isn't the Council employed by the PEOPLE to look after the interests of the PEOPLE of the Shire?
Yes and looking after peoples interests includes trying to prevent vehicles blocking your driveway. They would not have known whose vehicle blocked your driveway, they don't have access to the police or motor registry database.
Hey Jim said
08:53 AM May 15, 2016
PeterD wrote:
Yuglamron wrote:
I suppose I am very, very naïve but isn't the Council employed by the PEOPLE to look after the interests of the PEOPLE of the Shire?
Yes and looking after peoples interests includes trying to prevent vehicles blocking your driveway. They would not have known whose vehicle blocked your driveway, they don't have access to the police or motor registry database.
Hi Peter,
This guy has seen my 200 GX parked in front of our home X 100s of times. Its unmistakeable. Just a envious slob council worker. He's a #&%@(*%.
Jim
dorian said
09:54 AM May 15, 2016
Send the council a bill for 30 years of mowing the grass on their property.
DMaxer said
10:37 AM May 15, 2016
He might be an undercover Jayco agent seeking revenge.
brickies said
10:40 AM May 15, 2016
Took the word out of my mouth , Why are so many people mean to me .
Aus-Kiwi said
03:38 PM May 15, 2016
Ahahaha ^^. Take it to court ., waste their time ..
Bas + Eve said
03:59 PM May 15, 2016
Money hungry bludgers. The Council up our way have instructed their parking robots to place as many infringements as possible (neighbour is one).
We can do without three tiers of boffins and I believe Local Govt should be first to go. Our business has a bit to do with Councils and when you go into their HO many are on facebook while others on RDO's or flexi days. They are BLUDGERS to the extreme.
Write a letter to the Mayor mate. I am with you all the way.
Jaahn said
04:42 PM May 15, 2016
PeterD wrote: Yes and looking after peoples interests includes trying to prevent vehicles blocking your driveway. They would not have known whose vehicle blocked your driveway, they don't have access to the police or motor registry database.
Hi
I agree with PeterD here.
I have rarely hear such a lot of tosh about being booked, correctly, by a ranger ! Get a life will you people. Look at some other forums about real problems
Write the letter and forget about it. You lot sound a bit like that guy who shot a council ranger dead a while back when he was out doing his job. Sorry to say that but the vitriol put on here shows why it happened IMHO.
Jaahn
brickies said
04:53 PM May 15, 2016
Rules are rules Sol
Desert Dweller said
04:58 PM May 15, 2016
Humanity is full of idiots many of them are employed by shire councils. That's my experience anyway.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Sunday 15th of May 2016 06:44:45 PM
The Phantom said
05:01 PM May 15, 2016
You are completely wrong, again. They are all employed by BHP Billiton.
The Phantom
Desert Dweller said
06:48 PM May 15, 2016
The Phantom wrote:
You are completely wrong, again. They are all employed by BHP Billiton.
The Phantom
Unfold your protective arm pose Phantom & join the rest of us on this forum mate. Selective snipers aren't welcome Sunshine.
Hylife said
07:48 PM May 15, 2016
See, the problem is, you, and most folks, incorrectly believe that it is part of your driveway. It is not. Driveways don't officially exist and what you call your driveway starts at your property boundary and is simply a part of your land with no legal standing. From the roadway it is a crossover or a 'right of way', and it belongs to the council as it is part of your nature strip.
You and anyone else who so chooses, can use that 'right of way' to cross the nature strip to access your land, but you do not own that crossover or 'right of way' and by blocking it you prevent others from legally accessing your land.
Hey Jim said
08:10 PM May 15, 2016
DMaxer wrote:
He might be an undercover Jayco agent seeking revenge.
Hi Dmaxer,
Close to the mark. These type's of lowlife sit in their council vehicles waiting to pounce. Hiding behind their darkened windows with their fluoro vests on. Camera/ phone ready to send back to base for processing.
I have seen them using their camera's, sitting behind a unscupuless driver / Vehicle, waiting for a parked vehicle to depart the curb...... Its illegal now to stop abreast and wait till the parked vehicle leaves the kerb.
(The parking spot has to be vacant)= Double parked.
What a load of BS. The poor old import's cops it every day in Sydney. I can see a day when one of these folks lose it TOTAL, and two families are going to suffer all because of GREED.
It will come down to the blame game.
Jim
Hey Jim said
08:32 PM May 15, 2016
Hylife wrote:
See, the problem is, you, and most folks, incorrectly believe that it is part of your driveway. It is not. Driveways don't officially exist and what you call your driveway starts at your property boundary and is simply a part of your land with no legal standing. From the roadway it is a crossover or a 'right of way', and it belongs to the council as it is part of your nature strip.
You and anyone else who so chooses, can use that 'right of way' to cross the nature strip to access your land, but you do not own that crossover or 'right of way' and by blocking it you prevent others from legally accessing your land.
Hi Hylife,
Our entry to our property was and I quote ( was a bit of gravel ) It was not on our councils records then, nor was it on their works programme back then. We Paid and installed our own Lay back and Apron, many moons ago.= 28 years. The foot path, or what counted as a foot path then, was made of bricks with a bitumen over the top. The bricks below became a collectors item and the council was forced to Rip it up and lay concrete all because the pubic school was at the end of the street. I paid for it, and I will park in front of it, in my registered Vehicle until they sign post otherwise.
Jim
Hylife said
08:56 PM May 15, 2016
Hey Jim wrote:
Hylife wrote:
See, the problem is, you, and most folks, incorrectly believe that it is part of your driveway. It is not. Driveways don't officially exist and what you call your driveway starts at your property boundary and is simply a part of your land with no legal standing. From the roadway it is a crossover or a 'right of way', and it belongs to the council as it is part of your nature strip.
You and anyone else who so chooses, can use that 'right of way' to cross the nature strip to access your land, but you do not own that crossover or 'right of way' and by blocking it you prevent others from legally accessing your land.
Hi Hylife,
Our entry to our property was and I quote ( was a bit of gravel ) It was not on our councils records then, nor was it on their works programme back then. We Paid and installed our own Lay back and Apron, many moons ago.= 28 years. The foot path, or what counted as a foot path then, was made of bricks with a bitumen over the top. The bricks below became a collectors item and the council was forced to Rip it up and lay concrete all because the pubic school was at the end of the street. I paid for it, and I will park in front of it, in my registered Vehicle until they sign post otherwise.
Jim
Don't get me wrong, I think it was a b@stard act to book you if they knew it was your house but just because you built it doesn't make it yours. A 'right of way' to your property is no different to a 'right of way' that a farmer uses to access his property when he must cross someone else's property. No-one is permitted to block a right of way. A right of way is a little bit like a road, regardless of who or when it was created it will be available to everyone, not just the person who created it.
That you might have made that gravel right of way makes no difference. Now that it is created it is available to everyone and anyone who wishes to access your property. By creating that right of way you gave everyone the right to use it and you gave everyone the right to access your property for any lawful purpose via that right of way.
Sorry to say but you haven't got a leg to stand on if they want to play hard ball about it, but approaching the council all remorseful and repentant may get you out of the fine.
DMaxer said
08:32 AM May 16, 2016
You are quite right, Hylife, it is an easement. I also think your suggested approach to the council would be successful, unless of course you are just one of those people who like to draw attention to your self perceived "major" issues and your self righteous indignation and a non conflict result is not what you are after.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 16th of May 2016 08:34:42 AM
dorian said
08:54 AM May 16, 2016
Hylife wrote:
I think it was a b@stard act to book you if they knew it was your house ...
Agree. There are already enough difficulties in life without some inconsiderate lowlife adding to them.
-- Edited by dorian on Monday 16th of May 2016 08:55:37 AM
brickies said
08:54 AM May 16, 2016
DMaxer I don't believe there would be people out there who would be like that .
DMaxer said
02:23 PM May 16, 2016
Did you keep a straight face when you posted that, Brickies?
I don't believe it.
Here we are parked in front of our own home of 30 years. And our own council books us $106 for having our trail across / obstruct driveway. ITS OUR OWN BLOODY DRIVEWAY.
I don't see their name on our deeds.
They have to be joking.
42 years of good driving/ no infringments. And this council employee wants to extract $106 extra for the council pockets. Not happening.
Jim
Just a chest-beating do-gooder inspector from the local council driving around looking for opportunities to raise revenue for his employer, and to get his performance quota up. One of my PET HATES
What state you in Jim? If it's in NSW the fine will be administered by the SDRO (State Debt Recovery Office), and they will waive the fine if you haven't been booked for anything in the past ten years. All you need to do is write in to them, quote the infringement number, and briefly put your case to them including the fact that you haven't had an infringement for 42 years. They'd cancel the fine I'm confident.
Alternatively if you elect to take it to court I'm sure the magistrate would be practical, see the stupidity in the fine being issued, and order that it be waived. Trouble with this alternative however is it would cost you the day having to front up to the court and hang around feeling like a crook and mingling with all the other crooks and losers.
I suppose I am very, very naïve but isn't the Council employed by the PEOPLE to look after the interests of the PEOPLE of the Shire?
-- Edited by Yuglamron on Saturday 14th of May 2016 06:59:18 PM
So I understand are the politicians which is why they are all called public servants but I don't think they know it. GRRRRR
Good Luck.
Hi everyone,
I will fight this all the way.
We are talking about 60cm total. our families cars are parked in front around the clock Bunch of $#^)*&@ Heads.
Jim
Sorry to see it happened to you.
Write that letter, worked for me once.
Cheers, John
Yes and looking after peoples interests includes trying to prevent vehicles blocking your driveway. They would not have known whose vehicle blocked your driveway, they don't have access to the police or motor registry database.
Hi Peter,
This guy has seen my 200 GX parked in front of our home X 100s of times. Its unmistakeable.
Just a envious slob council worker. He's a #&%@(*%.
Jim
He might be an undercover Jayco agent seeking revenge.
We can do without three tiers of boffins and I believe Local Govt should be first to go. Our business has a bit to do with Councils and when you go into their HO many are on facebook while others on RDO's or flexi days. They are BLUDGERS to the extreme.
Write a letter to the Mayor mate. I am with you all the way.
Hi
I agree with PeterD here.
I have rarely hear such a lot of tosh about being booked, correctly, by a ranger ! Get a life will you people. Look at some other forums about real problems
Write the letter and forget about it. You lot sound a bit like that guy who shot a council ranger dead a while back when he was out doing his job. Sorry to say that but the vitriol put on here shows why it happened IMHO.
Jaahn
Humanity is full of idiots many of them are employed by shire councils. That's my experience anyway.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Sunday 15th of May 2016 06:44:45 PM
You are completely wrong, again. They are all employed by BHP Billiton.
The Phantom
Unfold your protective arm pose Phantom & join the rest of us on this forum mate. Selective snipers aren't welcome Sunshine.
See, the problem is, you, and most folks, incorrectly believe that it is part of your driveway. It is not.
Driveways don't officially exist and what you call your driveway starts at your property boundary and is simply a part of your land with no legal standing.
From the roadway it is a crossover or a 'right of way', and it belongs to the council as it is part of your nature strip.
You and anyone else who so chooses, can use that 'right of way' to cross the nature strip to access your land, but you do not own that crossover or 'right of way' and by blocking it you prevent others from legally accessing your land.
Hi Dmaxer,
Close to the mark. These type's of lowlife sit in their council vehicles waiting to pounce. Hiding behind their darkened windows with their fluoro vests on. Camera/ phone ready to send back to base for processing.
I have seen them using their camera's, sitting behind a unscupuless driver / Vehicle, waiting for a parked vehicle to depart the curb...... Its illegal now to stop abreast and wait till the parked vehicle leaves the kerb.
(The parking spot has to be vacant)= Double parked.
What a load of BS.
The poor old import's cops it every day in Sydney. I can see a day when one of these folks lose it TOTAL, and two families are going to suffer all because of GREED.
It will come down to the blame game.
Jim
Hi Hylife,
Our entry to our property was and I quote ( was a bit of gravel ) It was not on our councils records then, nor was it on their works programme back then. We Paid and installed our own Lay back and Apron, many moons ago.= 28 years. The foot path, or what counted as a foot path then, was made of bricks with a bitumen over the top. The bricks below became a collectors item and the council was forced to Rip it up and lay concrete all because the pubic school was at the end of the street. I paid for it, and I will park in front of it, in my registered Vehicle until they sign post otherwise.
Jim
Don't get me wrong, I think it was a b@stard act to book you if they knew it was your house but just because you built it doesn't make it yours.
A 'right of way' to your property is no different to a 'right of way' that a farmer uses to access his property when he must cross someone else's property. No-one is permitted to block a right of way. A right of way is a little bit like a road, regardless of who or when it was created it will be available to everyone, not just the person who created it.
That you might have made that gravel right of way makes no difference. Now that it is created it is available to everyone and anyone who wishes to access your property. By creating that right of way you gave everyone the right to use it and you gave everyone the right to access your property for any lawful purpose via that right of way.
Sorry to say but you haven't got a leg to stand on if they want to play hard ball about it, but approaching the council all remorseful and repentant may get you out of the fine.
You are quite right, Hylife, it is an easement. I also think your suggested approach to the council would be successful, unless of course you are just one of those people who like to draw attention to your self perceived "major" issues and your self righteous indignation and a non conflict result is not what you are after.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 16th of May 2016 08:34:42 AM
Agree. There are already enough difficulties in life without some inconsiderate lowlife adding to them.
-- Edited by dorian on Monday 16th of May 2016 08:55:37 AM
Did you keep a straight face when you posted that, Brickies?