am looking for a 15amp extension lead around 2>3m to use to connect my Generator to my Van , any suggestions where I could buy one in W A .
PeterD said
11:20 AM Apr 24, 2016
I have not seen any leads in shops less then 10 m long. I suggest you may have to get an electrical contractor to build you a short one or reduce the length of an existing lead.
Delta18 said
11:45 AM Apr 24, 2016
PeterD wrote:
I have not seen any leads in shops less then 10 m long. I suggest you may have to get an electrical contractor to build you a short one or reduce the length of an existing lead.
Oh what a dangerous thing to say, you know we need to do a 7 year apprenticeship to get smart enough to shorten an extension cord without killing ourselves or burning down the house/van & will get no insurance.
<edit> just re-read, you want the electrician to shorten the cord, sorry.
-- Edited by Delta18 on Sunday 24th of April 2016 11:50:29 AM
It doesn't actually state that is 15 amp but friends have a similar lead from the same place and is 15 amps.
Tony Bev said
02:24 PM Apr 24, 2016
Hello Vaughan
As Bill B has already said, would suit your needs
The description of that extension lead which Bill B has put up, says that it will go from a generator to a caravan. A generator will usually only suit a 10 amp male plug, and a caravan will usually only suit a 15 amp female socket. You could ask prior to purchasing if it does have these types of plug/socket
Alternatively if you require one urgently, you can purchase a heavy duty (5 meter length) of 10 amp extension cord from Bunnings,
Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket
Bill B said
04:01 PM Apr 24, 2016
I thought most modern well known brand name generators have 15 amp plugs
Tony Bev said
04:16 PM Apr 24, 2016
Hello Bill B
My Honda EU20i generator, of unknown vintage (before 2014), which will happily run either the air conditioner, microwave, or 240 volt water heater, (but only one at a time), which came with my second hand motorhome, only has 10 amp outlets.
I have no idea what size outlets a modern generator has.
Delta18 said
06:09 PM Apr 24, 2016
Later model Hondas & Yamaha have 15A outlets (x2)
Hey Jim said
06:22 PM Apr 24, 2016
Hi Vaughan,
Yes, The Generator shop.
We brought one from them at the Sydney Caravan Show last week $35. 4 metres and are made up with heavy guage wire to stop the amp drop, especially for vans to Guaranteed to run ANY Caravans AC from a 2KVA Honda generator. They should be able to do over the phone.
PS Yes the plugs are fitted to match both.
Regards Jim & Lambie
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Sunday 24th of April 2016 06:24:31 PM
Tony Bev said
07:49 PM Apr 24, 2016
Delta18 wrote:
Later model Hondas & Yamaha have 15A outlets (x2)
Hello Delta 18
I was unaware that new generators had 15 amp outlets, so thanks for that information
oldtrack123 said
11:35 PM Apr 24, 2016
Tony Bev wrote:
Hello Vaughan
As Bill B has already said, would suit your needs
The description of that extension lead which Bill B has put up, says that it will go from a generator to a caravan. A generator will usually only suit a 10 amp male plug, and a caravan will usually only suit a 15 amp female socket. You could ask prior to purchasing if it does have these types of plug/socket
Alternatively if you require one urgently, you can purchase a heavy duty (5 meter length) of 10 amp extension cord from Bunnings,
Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket
Quote Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket"
ANY electrician caught do that would be in DEEP S**^
Such a lead is TOTALY ILLEGAL & for very good reasons!!!
It seems some people will never learn
Vaughan said
09:50 AM Apr 25, 2016
Thanks all. I will try the generator Place
Vaughan said
09:52 AM Apr 25, 2016
I only bought my Honda 2 kva about a month ago has 2x 15amp outlets.
Delta18 said
09:55 AM Apr 25, 2016
Vaughan wrote:
I only bought my Honda 2 kva about a month ago has 2x 15amp outlets.
I had mine for about 5 years before getting a Yamaha 2.4kw, it had 2 x 15a sockets and so does the Yammie
Tony Bev said
01:27 PM Apr 25, 2016
Hello everyone I am standing in the corner, with one hand raised, and my cap in my other hand, and will correct myself
Firstly and most importantly is to follow what oldtrack123 has said,
Quote Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket" ANY electrician caught do that would be in DEEP S**^no Such a lead is TOTALY ILLEGAL & for very good reasons!!! It seems some people will never learn
If what I suggested will not be done by an Electrician, then that is what it is, and there will be no arguments from me. The main reason why I suggested that an Electrician fit the plug, if you require one end to be a 10 amp, and the other end a 15 amp connection, is that if you do not know what you are doing, and fit the wires wrongly, you are placing yourself and others, in the line to be electrocuted.
Secondly after reading what Delta18 has said
Quote I had mine for about 5 years before getting a Yamaha 2.4kw, it had 2 x 15a sockets and so does the Yammie
I have seen the light, and just had another look at my Honda 2 kva, of unknown vintage, with my glasses on, and there are indeed 2 x 15 amp outlets. I had only ever used my genset twice, once to try it out, and once only on the road prior to fitting solar on the roof.
I am not trying to squirm out from any flak which may be heading my way
But.... I did wonder why I assumed that my (and other) gensets only had 10 amp outlets, and I think the reason could be that I actually carry a short 10 amp male plug to 15 amp female socket extension lead, in my motorhome, and it is connected to the end of my 15 amp extension lead, so that I do not misplace it. The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
Delta18 said
02:11 PM Apr 25, 2016
Tony Bev wrote:
Hello everyone I am standing in the corner, with one hand raised, and my cap in my other hand, and will correct myself
The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
Just as thousands of other caravanners have done and I bet none of them has burnt their house down nor died through doing it. I do understand that nobody can recommend doing this though.
Hello everyone I am standing in the corner, with one hand raised, and my cap in my other hand, and will correct myself
The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
Just as thousands of other caravanners have done and I bet none of them has burnt their house down nor died through doing it. I do understand that nobody can recommend doing this though.
Yep.
Duck! Here come the compliance police.
Aus-Kiwi said
07:20 PM Apr 25, 2016
A file does the trick .. Flame suite on ..
ShortNorth said
08:46 PM Apr 25, 2016
Tony Bev wrote:
.................................The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
And ........................ that is the very reason that the Amp-Fibian was invented for !!!
oldtrack123 said
09:04 PM Apr 25, 2016
ShortNorth wrote:
Tony Bev wrote:
.................................The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
And ........................ that is the very reason that the Amp-Fibian was invented for !!!
Hi ShortNorth
Yes, AND FULLY compliant for such use
& for those who lack the understanding, It has nothing to do with shocks.
But a lot to do with damaging outlets & possible fires!!
That is why they:
are baned from sale
No electrician would make one up ,If he valued his license
& since it is licensed electrical work in most states, Anyone making one up is doing illegal electrical work, subject to heavy penalties if caught
If things go wrong, THEY could be in DEEP *&^#I suppose because 10000S run red lights or break other regulations that is oK too,until they get caught.
& filing the earth pin down on an approved 15A plug ext lead MAKES that lead unapproved,& therefor should not be used
AS for{ Quote} Delta18" Just as thousands of other caravanners have done and I bet none of them has burnt their house down nor died through doing it. I do understand that nobody can recommend doing this though"[ end quote]
How do you KNOW that Fires, or damage leading to potential fires have not occurred ??
Once such a non approved lead exists, the potential for overloads & fires exists, but not necessarily with the first few uses, but by progressive damage!!!
Of course the armchair experts ,all say it has not happened to me ,so it must be OK
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Monday 25th of April 2016 11:42:18 PM
ShortNorth said
09:28 PM Apr 25, 2016
oldtrack123 wrote:Hi ShortNorth
Yes, AND FULLY compliant for such use
G'day OT,
I'm fully aware of the compliance issues - I'm a retired ex-electrical consulting engineer - had over 30 years experience, with Australian Standards compliance a part of my daily activities.
One of the consulting firms I worked for, for 4 years, had a 'standards committee' - made up of electrical (I was the electrical member), fire protection, mechanical, and hydraulics engineers - Standards Australia would submit draft new or amended standards to our firm for review and comment, such was the reputation our firm had for standards compliance. Many recommendations from our committee became mandatory rules in the appropriate Standards.
Delta18 said
09:51 PM Apr 25, 2016
A simple way to run the fridge before departing on a trip is to run a 10a extension cord through a window & plug the fridge cord directly into that cord.
No doubt there will be the doomsayers will say that will burn your house down and ban you from insurance claims too.
Cheers Neil
Aus-Kiwi said
10:20 PM Apr 25, 2016
Thing is a 10 amp cord / plugs fits in 15 amp plug ..
oldtrack123 said
11:38 PM Apr 25, 2016
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Thing is a 10 amp cord / plugs fits in 15 amp plug ..
Hi
I think you mean a 10A plug& extension lead will fit into a15A socket AND THAT IS OK!!
BUT a 15APlug & Extension lead will not fit into a 10A socket & is DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR GOOD REASONS!!!
oldtrack123 said
11:43 PM Apr 25, 2016
Hi Shortnorth
I had a similar position with a large Engineering Co
Tony Bev said
12:12 AM Apr 26, 2016
Hello everyone
This is the first time I have heard the word Amp-Fibian, which I am now led to believe is a legal way to connect a Recreation Vehicle to a household 10 amp outlet, or to a generator which only has a 10 amp outlet.
Searching for Amp-Fibian on this forum, brought up 11 pages of what had become, in my opinion, (and I could be wrong), sometimes heated debate, talked in technical terms.
May I suggest that as the OP, was asking where he could obtain a 2 to 3 meter 15 amp extension cord, and is now happy to purchase a 4 meter one, that the question asked, has been answered
I was wondering if the more knowledgeable members, could make a few stickies in regards to electrical safety of Recreation Vehicles. As a non-electrical person who was unaware of an Amp-Fibian, I now wonder what other devises are out there to stop myself and/or others being unknowingly electrocuted. Knowing that there is a devise such as an Amp-Fibian, could perhaps give others, (such as myself), food for thought, when having a problem of connecting a 10 amp outlet (GPO) to a 15 amp RV
Vaughan said
10:06 AM Apr 26, 2016
Generator Place sells a 4m 20 amp lead with a 15 amp plug at each end specially made to connect a Generator to the van, they have a store in each state. Approx $30
picked one up today , perfect
-- Edited by Vaughan on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 06:01:34 PM
rockylizard said
11:17 AM Apr 26, 2016
Gday...
Unfortunately, like all electrical query threads on almost every forum - this one has gone ... I apologise for also dragging it .
This is Amp-phibian - fully approved and able to be used in external, all weather situations - eg van park/showgrounds etc - NOTE: ensure you obtain RV2-MAX -
This is the Jaycar product - NOT approved for external use - ie in any weather situations. However, this can be used in the home (or garage) to plug your 15amp van cord to a 10amp supply - UNDER COVER.
If only needing to connect your van to 240v to, for instance, charge the battery/s or run the fridge before setting off, then the Jaycar product is a cheaper, and an effective and safe option.
I do think though, that if the only reason you want a 10amp>15amp adaptor, just get a sparky to install a 15amp outlet in the garage/shed. I reckon that would be done for about the price of either adaptor above - and would DEFINITELY be 'compliant' and you could do EVERYTHING you wanted in the van.
cheers - John
KFT said
11:51 AM Apr 26, 2016
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...
Unfortunately, like all electrical query threads on almost every forum - this one has gone ... I apologise for also dragging it .
This is Amp-phibian - fully approved and able to be used in external, all weather situations - eg van park/showgrounds etc - NOTE: ensure you obtain RV2-MAX -
This is the Jaycar product - NOT approved for external use - ie in any weather situations. However, this can be used in the home (or garage) to plug your 15amp van cord to a 10amp supply - UNDER COVER.
If only needing to connect your van to 240v to, for instance, charge the battery/s or run the fridge before setting off, then the Jaycar product is a cheaper, and an effective and safe option.
I do think though, that if the only reason you want a 10amp>15amp adaptor, just get a sparky to install a 15amp outlet in the garage/shed. I reckon that would be done for about the price of either adaptor above - and would DEFINITELY be 'compliant' and you could do EVERYTHING you wanted in the van.
cheers - John
G'day Rocky
you always do some good research and provide comprehensive info in your posts and thanks for that.
There is a Jaycar product that is approved and is weatherproof.
am looking for a 15amp extension lead around 2>3m to use to connect my Generator to my Van , any suggestions where I could buy one in W A .
Oh what a dangerous thing to say, you know we need to do a 7 year apprenticeship to get smart enough to shorten an extension cord without killing ourselves or burning down the house/van & will get no insurance.
<edit> just re-read, you want the electrician to shorten the cord, sorry.
-- Edited by Delta18 on Sunday 24th of April 2016 11:50:29 AM
It doesn't actually state that is 15 amp but friends have a similar lead from the same place and is 15 amps.
Hello Vaughan
As Bill B has already said, would suit your needs
The description of that extension lead which Bill B has put up, says that it will go from a generator to a caravan.
A generator will usually only suit a 10 amp male plug, and a caravan will usually only suit a 15 amp female socket. You could ask prior to purchasing if it does have these types of plug/socket
Alternatively if you require one urgently, you can purchase a heavy duty (5 meter length) of 10 amp extension cord from Bunnings,
http://www.bunnings.com.au/hpm-5m-heavy-duty-tradesman-extension-lead_p433072Z
And also a 15 amp clear female socket
http://www.bunnings.com.au/search/products?q=15%20amp%20plug%20and%20socket&redirectFrom=Any
Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket
Hello Bill B
My Honda EU20i generator, of unknown vintage (before 2014), which will happily run either the air conditioner, microwave, or 240 volt water heater, (but only one at a time), which came with my second hand motorhome, only has 10 amp outlets.
I have no idea what size outlets a modern generator has.
Later model Hondas & Yamaha have 15A outlets (x2)
Hi Vaughan,
Yes, The Generator shop.
We brought one from them at the Sydney Caravan Show last week $35. 4 metres and are made up with heavy guage wire to stop the amp drop, especially for vans to Guaranteed to run ANY Caravans AC from a 2KVA Honda generator. They should be able to do over the phone.
PS Yes the plugs are fitted to match both.
Regards Jim & Lambie
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Sunday 24th of April 2016 06:24:31 PM
Hello Delta 18
I was unaware that new generators had 15 amp outlets, so thanks for that information
Quote Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket"
ANY electrician caught do that would be in DEEP S**^
Such a lead is TOTALY ILLEGAL & for very good reasons!!!
It seems some people will never learn
I had mine for about 5 years before getting a Yamaha 2.4kw, it had 2 x 15a sockets and so does the Yammie
Hello everyone
I am standing in the corner, with one hand raised, and my cap in my other hand, and will correct myself
Firstly and most importantly is to follow what oldtrack123 has said,
Quote
Then have someone with electrical experience fit it in lieu of the 10 amp socket"
ANY electrician caught do that would be in DEEP S**^no
Such a lead is TOTALY ILLEGAL & for very good reasons!!!
It seems some people will never learn
If what I suggested will not be done by an Electrician, then that is what it is, and there will be no arguments from me.
The main reason why I suggested that an Electrician fit the plug, if you require one end to be a 10 amp, and the other end a 15 amp connection, is that if you do not know what you are doing, and fit the wires wrongly, you are placing yourself and others, in the line to be electrocuted.
Secondly after reading what Delta18 has said
Quote
I had mine for about 5 years before getting a Yamaha 2.4kw, it had 2 x 15a sockets and so does the Yammie
I have seen the light, and just had another look at my Honda 2 kva, of unknown vintage, with my glasses on, and there are indeed 2 x 15 amp outlets.
I had only ever used my genset twice, once to try it out, and once only on the road prior to fitting solar on the roof.
I am not trying to squirm out from any flak which may be heading my way
But.... I did wonder why I assumed that my (and other) gensets only had 10 amp outlets, and I think the reason could be that
I actually carry a short 10 amp male plug to 15 amp female socket extension lead, in my motorhome, and it is connected to the end of my 15 amp extension lead, so that I do not misplace it.
The reason being is that 24 hours before I set off from home base, I like to run my three way fridge on 240 volt, and I do not have any 15 amp outlets in my home.
Just as thousands of other caravanners have done and I bet none of them has burnt their house down nor died through doing it. I do understand that nobody can recommend doing this though.
I'm naughty but it is very handy.
Yep.
Duck! Here come the compliance police.
And ........................ that is the very reason that the Amp-Fibian was invented for !!!
Hi ShortNorth
Yes, AND FULLY compliant for such use
& for those who lack the understanding, It has nothing to do with shocks.
But a lot to do with damaging outlets & possible fires!!
That is why they:
are baned from sale
No electrician would make one up ,If he valued his license
& since it is licensed electrical work in most states, Anyone making one up is doing illegal electrical work, subject to heavy penalties if caught
If things go wrong, THEY could be in DEEP *&^#I suppose because 10000S run red lights or break other regulations that is oK too,until they get caught.
& filing the earth pin down on an approved 15A plug ext lead MAKES that lead unapproved,& therefor should not be used
AS for{ Quote} Delta18" Just as thousands of other caravanners have done and I bet none of them has burnt their house down nor died through doing it. I do understand that nobody can recommend doing this though"[ end quote]
How do you KNOW that Fires, or damage leading to potential fires have not occurred ??
Once such a non approved lead exists, the potential for overloads & fires exists, but not necessarily with the first few uses, but by progressive damage!!!
Of course the armchair experts ,all say it has not happened to me ,so it must be OK
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Monday 25th of April 2016 11:42:18 PM
G'day OT,
I'm fully aware of the compliance issues - I'm a retired ex-electrical consulting engineer - had over 30 years experience, with Australian Standards compliance a part of my daily activities.
One of the consulting firms I worked for, for 4 years, had a 'standards committee' - made up of electrical (I was the electrical member), fire protection, mechanical, and hydraulics engineers - Standards Australia would submit draft new or amended standards to our firm for review and comment, such was the reputation our firm had for standards compliance. Many recommendations from our committee became mandatory rules in the appropriate Standards.
A simple way to run the fridge before departing on a trip is to run a 10a extension cord through a window & plug the fridge cord directly into that cord.
No doubt there will be the doomsayers will say that will burn your house down and ban you from insurance claims too.
Cheers Neil
Hi
I think you mean a 10A plug& extension lead will fit into a15A socket AND THAT IS OK!!
BUT a 15APlug & Extension lead will not fit into a 10A socket & is DESIGNED THAT WAY FOR GOOD REASONS!!!
Hi Shortnorth
I had a similar position with a large Engineering Co
Hello everyone
This is the first time I have heard the word Amp-Fibian, which I am now led to believe is a legal way to connect a Recreation Vehicle to a household 10 amp outlet, or to a generator which only has a 10 amp outlet.
Searching for Amp-Fibian on this forum, brought up 11 pages of what had become, in my opinion, (and I could be wrong), sometimes heated debate, talked in technical terms.
May I suggest that as the OP, was asking where he could obtain a 2 to 3 meter 15 amp extension cord, and is now happy to purchase a 4 meter one, that the question asked, has been answered
I was wondering if the more knowledgeable members, could make a few stickies in regards to electrical safety of Recreation Vehicles.
As a non-electrical person who was unaware of an Amp-Fibian, I now wonder what other devises are out there to stop myself and/or others being unknowingly electrocuted.
Knowing that there is a devise such as an Amp-Fibian, could perhaps give others, (such as myself), food for thought, when having a problem of connecting a 10 amp outlet (GPO) to a 15 amp RV
Generator Place sells a 4m 20 amp lead with a 15 amp plug at each end specially made to connect a Generator to the van, they have a store in each state. Approx $30
picked one up today , perfect
-- Edited by Vaughan on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 06:01:34 PM
Gday...
This is Amp-phibian - fully approved and able to be used in external, all weather situations - eg van park/showgrounds etc - NOTE: ensure you obtain RV2-MAX -
http://caravansplus.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=8993
This is the Jaycar product - NOT approved for external use - ie in any weather situations. However, this can be used in the home (or garage) to plug your 15amp van cord to a 10amp supply - UNDER COVER.
http://www.jaycar.co.nz/Power-Products-Electrical/Distribution-%26-Interconnect/Powerboards,-Adaptors-%26-Extension-Leads/Portable-RCD-with-15A-to-10A-Mains-Plug-Conversion/p/MS4044
If only needing to connect your van to 240v to, for instance, charge the battery/s or run the fridge before setting off, then the Jaycar product is a cheaper, and an effective and safe option.
I do think though, that if the only reason you want a 10amp>15amp adaptor, just get a sparky to install a 15amp outlet in the garage/shed. I reckon that would be done for about the price of either adaptor above - and would DEFINITELY be 'compliant' and you could do EVERYTHING you wanted in the van.
cheers - John
G'day Rocky
you always do some good research and provide comprehensive info in your posts and thanks for that.
There is a Jaycar product that is approved and is weatherproof.
find it HERE:
http://www.jaycar.co.nz/Power-Products-Electrical/Distribution-%26-Interconnect/Powerboards%2C-Adaptors-%26-Extension-Leads/15A-to-10A-Caravan-Power-Adaptor---IP55/p/MS4048
hope that helps the OP
-- Edited by KFT on Tuesday 26th of April 2016 11:52:55 AM