Hi All put a post on the general forum but in hindsite maybe it should be here looking at putting a 3inch system on my new terri diesel any territory owners out there who have gone down this path and if so what has the result been,and was it worth it.Im looking at a Manta system,complete replacement of current system,my terri is 3 months old and has 5000k`s on the clock,i don`t want to chip it if the exhaust will help with a little extra power and get rid of a bit of turbo lag,This is my 5th territory ,last one a diesel also did a 180,000k`s in 3 years didn`t miss a beat.have to ford`s best yet .thanks for any info,mike g g
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:34 PM Apr 11, 2016
If it needs a new exhaust after 5,000km, it is clearly not a good car, or you bought the wrong car.
They probably spent half a billion dollars to develop that car, and every back yard after market bits supplier reckons they can do better. What they are good at is extracting money from people's pockets.
Cheers,
Peter
Aus-Kiwi said
12:23 AM Apr 12, 2016
Hes not asking about repairing his exhaust .. Or if it's morally right ? Wants to know if it will make it spool better . As I have said yes it will . It will make more noise though . Fitted similar 3" to 1014 Terri who tows a car Trailer . He just wanted extra oomph too !! The bend out of turbine is restrictive . So much for billions of dollars testing and developing ..A Range Rover motor .,
Aus-Kiwi said
12:24 AM Apr 12, 2016
2014 model ., l
rockylizard said
08:21 AM Apr 12, 2016
Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Hes not asking about repairing his exhaust .. Or if it's morally right ? Wants to know if it will make it spool better . As I have said yes it will . It will make more noise though . Fitted similar 3" to 1014 Terri who tows a car Trailer . He just wanted extra oomph too !! The bend out of turbine is restrictive . So much for billions of dollars testing and developing ..A Range Rover motor .,
Gday...
The motor is not "a Range Rover" motor.
It is a Ford motor that has been in a variety of vehicles for the past 10 years - from Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover Sport, Jaguar, Peugot, Citreon, Jaguar for instance.
It had been well tested in actual usage and has had millions of Km of usage in those vehicles. It is only a "new" engine in the Territory - and should have been in the Territory a decade ago.
Cheers - John
Bravehearts said
09:08 AM Apr 12, 2016
I have a 2012 Territory Diesel AWD and it has just clocked 80,000 Kilometres.( our previous Territory was a Petrol AWD). We tow a Legacy 630 van which is pretty much right on the max tow capacity of the vehicle. We have completed a 30,000K big loop including 5000K in Tassie and the vehicle has been faultless. I service it at 7500 Kilometres without fail, replacing the oil filter each time, the fuel filter each 10,000K and air filter at 25,000k. We are not into off road driving and the only modification we have made is to fit air bags to the rear. For our purpose the vehicle is the bee knees and certainly does not need a chip or 3" exhaust as the performance is better than I ever expected. For the record we tow at 90kph and fuel consumption is 14.7 litres per 100 kilometres when towing and 8.5 litres per 100k unhooked. I have substantial mechanical knowledge and have been active as a competitor in motorsport for a couple of decades. I honestly doubt the modifications you propose would provide any benefit other than lightening your pockets. Please note this is my opinion only and is offerred purely to help you in your descision making process and is not intended as an outright criticism of your choice. Best of luck whatever you choose to do.
Regards David.
Aus-Kiwi said
02:27 PM Apr 12, 2016
John . It was in the Pomy cars way before the Terri . As you just said . Yes Ford had shares in them at the time . Now owned by Tatta India ..
Aus-Kiwi said
04:51 PM Apr 12, 2016
John . It was in the Pomy cars way before the Terri . As you just said . Yes Ford had shares in them at the time . Now owned by Tatta India ..
Jdubb said
08:14 AM Apr 19, 2016
Hi Mike g g, If you want to reduce the " pause " when you press the throttle, do some research on a "Throttle Controller Pedal Box Chip" . They apparently work wonders for turbo lag. I have spoken to a guy that has fitted one, to a 2.7ltre Discovery and he said the difference before and after was incredible. Heres a place to start if you're interested.
Can't find the thread that mentioned the Plug-n-Go type device but it did contain some bad reports. Basically these units just alter the throttle response from the fly by wire throttle sender. You can get similar results by hammering the right foot harder.
Turbo lag is more the result of the turbo design than exhaust design. Way back when I drove a Disco 1 300 series some owners were concerned with the turbo lag. The way they fixes it was to change the manifold to the series 200 one and install an after market turbo that had less lag. If you are concerned with the lag in the Territory then I suggest you consult some turbo specialists and see what after market models they have to fix your problem.
rockylizard said
07:23 PM Apr 19, 2016
PeterD wrote:
Can't find the thread that mentioned the Plug-n-Go type device but it did contain some bad reports. Basically these units just alter the throttle response from the fly by wire throttle sender. You can get similar results by hammering the right foot harder.
Turbo lag is more the result of the turbo design than exhaust design. Way back when I drove a Disco 1 300 series some owners were concerned with the turbo lag. The way they fixes it was to change the manifold to the series 200 one and install an after market turbo that had less lag. If you are concerned with the lag in the Territory then I suggest you consult some turbo specialists and see what after market models they have to fix your problem.
It's called turbo threshold . Lag is when your cruising and take your foot off accelerator and back on again, the timeout takes to power up again . . Most modern diesel turbo's have "variable scroll" turbine housings. This may not be working properly .. The less pressure on turbo exhaust exiting turbine the better . Yes there's often a lag with DBW vehicles ., From my GM powered Winnebago, WRX, Tritan diesel., they all do it .
Hylife said
12:44 PM Apr 20, 2016
Had a 2004 Terri Ghia. Beautiful to drive. Probably the most comfortable and safest car I have ever owned.
Unfortunately it was also the worst car I have ever owned for reliability, repair and running costs. Severely under-engineered. Spent over $20K in repairs over the 6 years I had it.
Was eventually sandwiched by a rear end smash. 80K on the clock and market value insurance payout was $15K. Terrible resale values meant I got next to nothing from insurance and the replacement pricing meanwhile had risen from $55K in 2004 to $80K in 2011.
Test drove the replacement Titanium (only available in diesel) and was astounded at what I still consider to be dangerous amounts of time it takes for the turbo to provide power to the engine. Bad for urban driving in western Melbourne where traffic congestion is so bad tradies pre-charge $100 callout to your credit card just to come knock on your door. When you spot a eensy weensy hole in the traffic you want and need full power on tap to zip into that hole. Having a 2 second or more pause from foot down to motion is just not good enough.
Just spent the last 3 weeks looking at vehicles again and nothing has changed with the terri since 2011.
Oh, and they still can't drive in dry sand without getting bogged within 20 meters. The traction control system can't cope with any wheel spin and will apply braking force to all necessary wheels which brings you to an almost immediate stop. Great for slippery black top but useless off-road. If you turn it all off, the AWD system just becomes like an ordinary sedan and one wheel spins and you go nowhere.
Oh so embarrassing having 80 grand of Ford demo, covered in huge dealership advertising signwriting about the vehicle, being towed out by an 18 year old girl in a 25 year old 2 door rusted old Rav4 worth $500 and only 30 meters from the black top. Was severely berated by the dealer for attempting to drive on sand. :(
-- Edited by Hylife on Wednesday 20th of April 2016 12:45:05 PM
Hi All put a post on the general forum but in hindsite maybe it should be here looking at putting a 3inch system on my new terri diesel any territory owners out there who have gone down this path and if so what has the result been,and was it worth it.Im looking at a Manta system,complete replacement of current system,my terri is 3 months old and has 5000k`s on the clock,i don`t want to chip it if the exhaust will help with a little extra power and get rid of a bit of turbo lag,This is my 5th territory ,last one a diesel also did a 180,000k`s in 3 years didn`t miss a beat.have to ford`s best yet .thanks for any info,mike g g
They probably spent half a billion dollars to develop that car, and every back yard after market bits supplier reckons they can do better. What they are good at is extracting money from people's pockets.
Cheers,
Peter
Gday...
The motor is not "a Range Rover" motor.
It is a Ford motor that has been in a variety of vehicles for the past 10 years - from Land Rover Discovery, Range Rover Sport, Jaguar, Peugot, Citreon, Jaguar for instance.
It had been well tested in actual usage and has had millions of Km of usage in those vehicles. It is only a "new" engine in the Territory - and should have been in the Territory a decade ago.
Cheers - John
Hi Mike g g, If you want to reduce the " pause " when you press the throttle, do some research on a "Throttle Controller Pedal Box Chip" . They apparently work wonders for turbo lag. I have spoken to a guy that has fitted one, to a 2.7ltre Discovery and he said the difference before and after was incredible. Heres a place to start if you're interested.
Regards John
http://www.plugngo.com.au/au-ford-territory-2.7-crd
Can't find the thread that mentioned the Plug-n-Go type device but it did contain some bad reports. Basically these units just alter the throttle response from the fly by wire throttle sender. You can get similar results by hammering the right foot harder.
Turbo lag is more the result of the turbo design than exhaust design. Way back when I drove a Disco 1 300 series some owners were concerned with the turbo lag. The way they fixes it was to change the manifold to the series 200 one and install an after market turbo that had less lag. If you are concerned with the lag in the Territory then I suggest you consult some turbo specialists and see what after market models they have to fix your problem.
Gday...
I think this is the one PeterD ...
http://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t61811450/throttle-controllers/
Cheers - John
Had a 2004 Terri Ghia. Beautiful to drive. Probably the most comfortable and safest car I have ever owned.
Unfortunately it was also the worst car I have ever owned for reliability, repair and running costs. Severely under-engineered. Spent over $20K in repairs over the 6 years I had it.
Was eventually sandwiched by a rear end smash. 80K on the clock and market value insurance payout was $15K. Terrible resale values meant I got next to nothing from insurance and the replacement pricing meanwhile had risen from $55K in 2004 to $80K in 2011.
Test drove the replacement Titanium (only available in diesel) and was astounded at what I still consider to be dangerous amounts of time it takes for the turbo to provide power to the engine. Bad for urban driving in western Melbourne where traffic congestion is so bad tradies pre-charge $100 callout to your credit card just to come knock on your door. When you spot a eensy weensy hole in the traffic you want and need full power on tap to zip into that hole. Having a 2 second or more pause from foot down to motion is just not good enough.
Just spent the last 3 weeks looking at vehicles again and nothing has changed with the terri since 2011.
Oh, and they still can't drive in dry sand without getting bogged within 20 meters. The traction control system can't cope with any wheel spin and will apply braking force to all necessary wheels which brings you to an almost immediate stop. Great for slippery black top but useless off-road. If you turn it all off, the AWD system just becomes like an ordinary sedan and one wheel spins and you go nowhere.
Oh so embarrassing having 80 grand of Ford demo, covered in huge dealership advertising signwriting about the vehicle, being towed out by an 18 year old girl in a 25 year old 2 door rusted old Rav4 worth $500 and only 30 meters from the black top. Was severely berated by the dealer for attempting to drive on sand. :(
-- Edited by Hylife on Wednesday 20th of April 2016 12:45:05 PM