Will they the Roads Authority ever allow me with special licence, to tow in daylight hours. Our van with break away brakes and ESC and have our boat fitted with the same set up.
Our van's chassie can be extended and replace the existing rear bumper on the van into a proper tow bar. Both our trailers are tandum set ups. The tow Truck has ESC as well.
I would like to think so.
The total rig would be 20 metres. We could have the best of both worlds in retirement. 69 days to go to our freedom.
Hey Jim & Lambie
Bushpie said
04:27 PM Mar 19, 2016
Hey Jim wrote:
We could have the best of both worlds in retirement. 69 days to go to our freedom.
Hey Jim & Lambie
Wow Jim only 69 days to go.............thats far better than my 1460........
Ge said
05:49 PM Mar 19, 2016
Hi
I don't know of any road laws stopping you from doing that.
As long as you have a MC (multi combination license) and all your eqp was legal.
you would be no different to a road train. Then you could only be on road train roads.
Now i can only say in W.A as a rough guide a road train is with two or more trailers over about
29mt in lenth, under that with 2 trailers is known as a pocket road train.
Please do your own research in your own state with your local transport dept.
Good luck keep us posted.
Ge.
PS. i was watching an episode of the TV show Heartbeat once, this is set in the UK 1960,s
and there was a truck towing a caravan and trailer, not as big as we have today, i am told it was common
in post war Europe with nomads fair people, carnies circus people.
Baz421 said
09:00 PM Mar 19, 2016
Multi combination vehicles are "normally" (and I use the word very carefully), 100% dog trailers in the combination and not pig trailers.
A pig trailer is not "normally" used except as a last trailer, ie truck and pig trailer.
If a pig trailer is used within a combination it becomes inherently unstable and the yaw (as Peter calls it) becomes unmanageable quite easily.
Just my opinion as that is from the 90's when I was involved.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Saturday 19th of March 2016 09:00:19 PM
Fringe Dweller said
09:57 PM Mar 19, 2016
Methinks it Won't Happen. The Braking arrangement on a Prime mover & trailers,
is Far different than th average tug & van will ever be.
In my humble opinion.
brickies said
11:04 PM Mar 19, 2016
Tell him he is dreaming
rgren2 said
07:52 AM Mar 20, 2016
It's not legal in Qld but I have sent it being done on The Development Road north of Cairns, a boat behind a camper trailer. Wheel placement on the trailers and braking is the problem.
-- Edited by rgren2 on Sunday 20th of March 2016 07:55:05 AM
Jaahn said
08:23 AM Mar 20, 2016
Hi,
As Baz said having TWO pig trailers is not a stable configuration, so NO will never be allowed !! If the front trailer was a semi trailer(5th W) with the wheels set at the back then it may be stable enough to consider. get onto your local member and lobby.
It might be that in England or Europe in the good old days they had a couple of trailers sometimes but they travelled at 10MPH and went only 10miles max in a trip. Mostly had a tractor pulling them as I understand it. Not how people like to travel today downunder
Jaahn
Hey Jim said
09:31 AM Mar 20, 2016
brickies wrote:
Tell him he is dreaming
Hi Brickies,
Dreams do come true. You just have to believe in yourself.
regards Jim & Lambie
Swoffer said
11:24 AM Mar 20, 2016
An intersting settup would be a 5th with a hitch over the trailers wheels for a second trailer . A B double config . Very stable just a bit of a bugger to get around corners as the secind trailer cuts the corner . A dog trailer is a lot less stable but pretty much follows in the lead trailers wheel tracks , but requires a dolly under the second trailer . Having a second trailer setup as a pig trailer , forget it , way to wobbly. Would it ever be allowed ? Doubt it.
-- Edited by Swoffer on Sunday 20th of March 2016 11:30:10 AM
in transit said
12:54 PM Mar 20, 2016
We saw a bloke at a campsite in Qld who had a ute with a drop-side body, a medium sized caravan and a tinnie on a road trailer. We assumed someone was going to come and take the tinnie home for him but that didn't happen.
When it was time to pack up he took the side boards off the ute (which he had fabricated from HD Aluminium planks, and lent them against the back of the ute to make a ramp. He then winched the boat and trailer onto the ute so that most of the trailer extended over the cabin. Finally he secured the whole thing with webbing straps, hooked up the van and departed.
But before he did that we had a chat. The design was all his. He had shown it to the Transport dept and was apparently told that he could do it "but if it came off he would be in deep trouble", hence all the tie-downs.
I imagine there was a bit of wind resistance, but he had a full height van anyway. I think the tinnie would have been about 4M.
Hey Jim said
01:48 PM Mar 20, 2016
Well Guys & Gals,
Looks like I will have to buy myself a new Tilt Tray flat bed Hino turbo truck with Hydraulic winch to carry the boat and tow the van.
Their go's some more of this coming weeks OZ lotto Division 1 win.
Did I say Dreams do come true. Fingers Crossed.
Jim
Olley46 said
10:13 PM Mar 20, 2016
Hey Jim I had a cousin tried that ,had the van behind the tug and the boat and trailer hooked on the van with a proper tow bar fitted to the van, he got as far as south Australia from Mildura sorry sir this is not allowed.
Lance C
madaboutled said
10:37 PM Mar 20, 2016
Hey Jim wrote:
Well Guys & Gals,
Looks like I will have to buy myself a new Tilt Tray flat bed Hino turbo truck with Hydraulic winch to carry the boat and tow the van.
Their go's some more of this coming weeks OZ lotto Division 1 win.
Did I say Dreams do come true. Fingers Crossed.
Jim
Cheaper option might be an amphibious 4x4, then tow the van behind that. Now if you get an amphibious 4x4 with a ute back, add a bimbi canopy & go fishin. Add some floats to the van and save ferry fee's to Tassie!. Dreams are FREE.
The Phantom said
10:53 PM Mar 20, 2016
Hey Jim,
Ditch the lemon caravan and buy one of these
Your mate Lambie would enjoy a trip down the Murray in something like that
Caravans etc are usually registered/classified as "Light Trailers" and under Australian Road Rules it is prohibited to have a very light trailer TA, a light trailer TB, or a medium trailer TC, tow anything.
Hi all,
Will they the Roads Authority ever allow me with special licence, to tow in daylight hours. Our van with break away brakes and ESC and have our boat fitted with the same set up.
Our van's chassie can be extended and replace the existing rear bumper on the van into a proper tow bar. Both our trailers are tandum set ups. The tow Truck has ESC as well.
I would like to think so.
The total rig would be 20 metres. We could have the best of both worlds in retirement. 69 days to go to our freedom.
Hey Jim & Lambie
Wow Jim only 69 days to go.............thats far better than my 1460........
I don't know of any road laws stopping you from doing that.
As long as you have a MC (multi combination license) and all your eqp was legal.
you would be no different to a road train. Then you could only be on road train roads.
Now i can only say in W.A as a rough guide a road train is with two or more trailers over about
29mt in lenth, under that with 2 trailers is known as a pocket road train.
Please do your own research in your own state with your local transport dept.
Good luck keep us posted.
Ge.
PS. i was watching an episode of the TV show Heartbeat once, this is set in the UK 1960,s
and there was a truck towing a caravan and trailer, not as big as we have today, i am told it was common
in post war Europe with nomads fair people, carnies circus people.
Multi combination vehicles are "normally" (and I use the word very carefully), 100% dog trailers in the combination and not pig trailers.
A pig trailer is not "normally" used except as a last trailer, ie truck and pig trailer.
If a pig trailer is used within a combination it becomes inherently unstable and the yaw (as Peter calls it) becomes unmanageable quite easily.
Just my opinion as that is from the 90's when I was involved.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Saturday 19th of March 2016 09:00:19 PM
Methinks it Won't Happen. The Braking arrangement on a Prime mover & trailers,
is Far different than th average tug & van will ever be.
In my humble opinion.
It's not legal in Qld but I have sent it being done on The Development Road north of Cairns, a boat behind a camper trailer. Wheel placement on the trailers and braking is the problem.
-- Edited by rgren2 on Sunday 20th of March 2016 07:55:05 AM
Hi,
As Baz said having TWO pig trailers is not a stable configuration, so NO will never be allowed !! If the front trailer was a semi trailer(5th W) with the wheels set at the back then it may be stable enough to consider.
get onto your local member and lobby.
It might be that in England or Europe in the good old days they had a couple of trailers sometimes but they travelled at 10MPH and went only 10miles max in a trip. Mostly had a tractor pulling them as I understand it. Not how people like to travel today downunder
Jaahn
Hi Brickies,
Dreams do come true. You just have to believe in yourself.
regards Jim & Lambie
An intersting settup would be a 5th with a hitch over the trailers wheels for a second trailer . A B double config . Very stable just a bit of a bugger to get around corners as the secind trailer cuts the corner . A dog trailer is a lot less stable but pretty much follows in the lead trailers wheel tracks , but requires a dolly under the second trailer . Having a second trailer setup as a pig trailer , forget it , way to wobbly.
Would it ever be allowed ? Doubt it.
-- Edited by Swoffer on Sunday 20th of March 2016 11:30:10 AM
When it was time to pack up he took the side boards off the ute (which he had fabricated from HD Aluminium planks, and lent them against the back of the ute to make a ramp. He then winched the boat and trailer onto the ute so that most of the trailer extended over the cabin. Finally he secured the whole thing with webbing straps, hooked up the van and departed.
But before he did that we had a chat. The design was all his. He had shown it to the Transport dept and was apparently told that he could do it "but if it came off he would be in deep trouble", hence all the tie-downs.
I imagine there was a bit of wind resistance, but he had a full height van anyway. I think the tinnie would have been about 4M.
Well Guys & Gals,
Looks like I will have to buy myself a new Tilt Tray flat bed Hino turbo truck with Hydraulic winch to carry the boat and tow the van.
Their go's some more of this coming weeks OZ lotto Division 1 win.
Did I say Dreams do come true.
Fingers Crossed.
Jim
Hey Jim I had a cousin tried that ,had the van behind the tug and the boat and trailer hooked on the van with a proper tow bar fitted to the van, he got as far as south Australia from Mildura sorry sir this is not allowed.
Lance C
Cheaper option might be an amphibious 4x4, then tow the van behind that. Now if you get an amphibious 4x4 with a ute back, add a bimbi canopy & go fishin. Add some floats to the van and save ferry fee's to Tassie!. Dreams are FREE.
Hey Jim,
Ditch the lemon caravan and buy one of these
Your mate Lambie would enjoy a trip down the Murray in something like that
The Phantom
No problem with a motorhome. :)
Cheers,
Peter
Caravans etc are usually registered/classified as "Light Trailers" and under Australian Road Rules it is prohibited to have a very light trailer TA, a light trailer TB, or a medium trailer TC, tow anything.
TA, TB & TC trailers can be of the pig, dog or semi type with one or two axels. https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb1/vsb_01_b.aspx