I'm about to find a source, going to visit a store in Welshpool, do you want me to let you know how I get on?
Bruce and Bev said
12:57 AM Feb 11, 2016
make sure you stick it on the left side of your RV - not the right side, which is more sensible given the driver behind you is in the right side of his vehicle......
I put mine on the right side as its sensible (to me anyway) and no cop has had a crack at me and have had plenty of them behind them in various States, but maybe I haven't met a nitpicking one yet
I picked up a pair from a truck accessories outlet.
I have one on the left side and one on the right side..........same as the trucks.
Long Weekend said
10:21 AM Feb 11, 2016
By the way, the latest NRMA magazine "Open Road" lists eleven things that drivers can be booked for. Number eleven was "disregard a 'Do Not Overtake Turning Vehicle' sign." Penalty was $248 fine and 2 demerit points.
Although it is optional to have the sign on the back of caravans, once one is displayed it carries the same authority as those on the trucks and buses and any car that ignores it and attempts to pass on the inside while a van is swinging wide is at fault.
By the way Bruce & Bev and Migra, I think that it is actually illegal to have the sign on the right side. You will note that the large square signs on the right side of trucks do not have any lettering.
It is also illegal to have the sign on any vehicle combination of less than 7.5m long - in other words it is a no-no for box trailers.
I put mine on after the Bathurst NSW State Rally when a representative from the NSW RMS told the gathering if you swing wide to turn left and a vehicle comes through on the inside, without the sign IT IS YOUR FAULT. With the sign IT IS THE CAR DRIVER'S FAULT for disregarding the sign. That was quite clear to me.
Murray
colinoldncranky said
11:39 AM Feb 11, 2016
iana wrote:
I'm about to find a source, going to visit a store in Welshpool, do you want me to let you know how I get on?
Yes please! Let me know how it is attached too, prefer not to screw into the van of course.
-- Edited by colinoldncranky on Thursday 11th of February 2016 11:47:35 AM
colinoldncranky said
11:46 AM Feb 11, 2016
Long Weekend wrote:
...
It is also illegal to have the sign on any vehicle combination of less than 7.5m long - in other words it is a no-no for box trailers.
... Murray
You'd be surprised how easy it is to get to 7.5m. My Cruiser is a touch over 5200mm to the hitch. Any twin cab will exceed 7.5m with a pixie sized trailer of around 2m hitch to back.
Of course, because the signage is applied to the trailer then you could conceivably come unstuck with a very short box trailer running behind a cruiser some times and a Honda CRV or similar at other times. :/ But for most likely towing combinations I expect that even box trailers will comply.
-- Edited by colinoldncranky on Thursday 11th of February 2016 11:57:13 AM
Phil C said
01:12 PM Feb 11, 2016
Got mine from ebay as well..
Now the trick is other drivers to know what to do when they see the signs....
Cheers
Bruce and Bev said
02:02 PM Feb 11, 2016
Haha Phil - youre so right !!!!! How many drivers run into the back of other cars because 1) they're using their phone 2) lousy drivers 3) too close to the vehicle in front 4) gazing around 5) distracted by running a mobile office and reading stuff on the passenger seat (common in WA) 6) shouting at the kids in the back seat 7) eating and driving 8) driving too fast............need I go on ?? Reckon we could find lots of other reasons why drivers have collisions which were avoidable had they taken due care
The signs are self adhesive. If your van is corrugated aluminum, make sure the signs are narrow enough to fit on one width of corrugation, otherwise it will start to peel off in the sun and dust fairly soon - you can get long, narrow ones to fit that are easy to see - of the driver behind reads it and doesn't stll try an "under"take you when you make a left turn and swing wide. It is an aid to making an insurance claim if you are in a collision when in this situation and it pays to take a pic of the sign and store it digitally in case you do one day have to make a claim
iana said
04:24 PM Feb 11, 2016
WA Safety, Unit 1, 125-129 Welshpool rd., Welshpool, will have them in stock this comming Monday. They are $34 ea., and it is one sign only on the LH side. Phone 9258 7088 for further info.
villatranquilla said
04:47 PM Feb 11, 2016
some friends of ours had their van sideswiped going through a round-a-bout. Police said had they had that sign on the back of the van they would have been cleared of any negligence and insurance would have been able to re-cover repair costs from the other driver
Long Weekend said
05:27 PM Feb 11, 2016
Well, that is almost first hand that it is better to have the sign on the rear than not, even though it is optional for caravans.
As well as the do not overtake sign I put one on the right that says "If you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." Don't know whether it will do any good though as the writing seems to be too small to be read unless the following vehicle is tailgating! And then I wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
Murray
Cruising Cruze said
08:35 PM Feb 11, 2016
$34
It seems to be that Evil Bay will win again you can get 3 of them for that price with change back
And you don't have to screw them on
They are stickers
Easy way to stick them on is to use a spray bottle with soapy water
so you have time to adjust them the way you like to have them
Spray a bit of water on the area
Take off the backing paper from sticker
Stick it on the spot were you want it, adjust the way you like it
Take a credit card to move all the air and water from under the sticker
Job done
Takes all of 30 seconds if that
Cheers John
hako said
10:06 PM Feb 11, 2016
Cruising Cruze wrote:
$34
It seems to be that Evil Bay will win again you can get 3 of them for that price with change back And you don't have to screw them on They are stickers Easy way to stick them on is to use a spray bottle with soapy water so you have time to adjust them the way you like to have them Spray a bit of water on the area Take off the backing paper from sticker Stick it on the spot were you want it, adjust the way you like it Take a credit card to move all the air and water from under the sticker Job done Takes all of 30 seconds if that
Cheers John
That's a great idea John - I'm guessing it will work with most items that have peel-off sticky paper? I've stuffed up heaps of stickers over the years by putting them on crooked.
Regards
madaboutled said
10:49 PM Feb 11, 2016
Truck Parts & Accessories shop/workshop as others have said also a shop selling Safety Gear might be the go, you can find them in just about any Light Industrial area around Perth.
I like the stickers that read "Do Not Overtake Overturning Vehicle" ....LOL
Regards Steve.
madaboutled said
11:01 PM Feb 11, 2016
Cruising Cruze wrote:
$34
It seems to be that Evil Bay will win again you can get 3 of them for that price with change back And you don't have to screw them on They are stickers Easy way to stick them on is to use a spray bottle with soapy water so you have time to adjust them the way you like to have them Spray a bit of water on the area Take off the backing paper from sticker Stick it on the spot were you want it, adjust the way you like it Take a credit card to move all the air and water from under the sticker Job done Takes all of 30 seconds if that
Cheers John
Becareful what type of soap you use, if you use dishwashing detergent with silicone in it, it will degrade the adhesive and if you use too much it will destroy the adhesive. In a 500ml spray bottle you only need to use less than 1/4 of a cap full. The best detergent is the cheap black & gold or no brand types because they don't contain the silicone additive. It's the silicone that makes your dishes shine.
Putting stickers on Dry is best and if you use the "Dry Hinge" method you won't get any air bubbles and it will be longer lasting.
Bruce and Bev said
01:24 AM Feb 12, 2016
I bought my sticker from a safety shop that sold mostly high viz clothing and boots, but they also carried a big range of stickers - including the one I bought.
It was $12 and about 2 feet long, yellow reflective and narrow enough to fit onto one of my vans corrugations, but big enough to see (if youre looking).
Suggest you shop around - I wouldn't pay $34 - that sounds like the very large ones that are attached to road trains and similar sized units
colinoldncranky said
12:56 PM Feb 12, 2016
Long Weekend wrote:
Well, that is almost first hand that it is better to have the sign on the rear than not, even though it is optional for caravans.
... Murray
The obligation to back off where those signs are fitted is clearly stated in legislation.
(There is no such thing as "right of way" in legislation, just obligations to give way. For example if some one comes thru a red light you do not have right of way. Legislation is always worded in a way that avoids the term except in headings as that is what people typically look for. Hence my use of "back off".)
Cruising Cruze said
10:21 PM Feb 12, 2016
@ Dennis ( Hako )
Just wanted to tell you that you need only a few drops of detergent in a small spray bottle Its that it only sticks to the surface, you don't have to to the dishes with it
Been sticking on stickers and pinstripes for more than 9 years I think that I've got an idea how to do it
If you needs more info please ask
Cheers John
hako said
11:56 PM Feb 12, 2016
Cruising Cruze wrote:
@ Dennis ( Hako )
Just wanted to tell you that you need only a few drops of detergent in a small spray bottle Its that it only sticks to the surface, you don't have to to the dishes with it
Been sticking on stickers and pinstripes for more than 9 years I think that I've got an idea how to do it
If you needs more info please ask
Cheers John
Thanks John - I guess much like when smoothing Sikaflex with a finger wetted in water with a few drops of detergent. I'll experiment at the weekend with different sticker.
Regards
Phil C said
04:13 PM Feb 13, 2016
Bruce and Bev wrote:
I bought my sticker from a safety shop that sold mostly high viz clothing and boots, but they also carried a big range of stickers - including the one I bought.
It was $12 and about 2 feet long, yellow reflective and narrow enough to fit onto one of my vans corrugations, but big enough to see (if youre looking).
Suggest you shop around - I wouldn't pay $34 - that sounds like the very large ones that are attached to road trains and similar sized units
We have a corrugated back. I opted for the largest stickers as most of the other drivers are stupid and cant read small red and yellow signs.. lol I got some dishwashing detergent and washed down the place I wanted to place the sign, left it wet and was able to move the sign around to where I wanted it. Got rid of the air bubbles with the same cloth, pushed the sign into the depressions on the corrugation and its still there after 3 years. Showing a few cracks where I missed the air bubbles but still very serviceable and VERY visual.
It lets you sit in the middle of a 2 lane road to make turning easier, if anyone comes up beside you and you meet they get the trouble. I cant remember how much flea bay charged me.
Cheers
migra said
09:37 AM Feb 15, 2016
Murray
the right hand side warning sticker does not have wording that is shown on the left sticker, it is just red and yellow (no text).
If you buy the correct set (LH & RH) the stickers are legal to use.
Long Weekend said
03:06 PM Feb 15, 2016
Yes Migra, that is correct - the square sign on the right hand side should not have any lettering. That is clearly spelled out in information put out by the authorities.
None the less, I have seen the square signs put on 'back to front' on large delivery vans several times over the years. Makes me shudder as what the legal implications would be if said van made a wide left hand turn and hit a car in the inside. I imagine the car driver could argue that the signage on the back of the van only applied when making a right hand turn.
By the way, some months back I saw a utility (Holden I think) driving around Goulburn in NSW with the two large signs on the back tail gate. Now that vehicle was definitely less than 7.5m long! I wonder whether it was ever picked up by police or does it still drive around Goulburn?
Murray
rockylizard said
04:46 PM Feb 15, 2016
Gday...
Here is the regulation to which all are referring - Standards Bulletin VSB12 - Rear Marking Plates ...
Wow, thanks John (Rockylizard). That is very comprehensive.
From the information in the regulation it seems that the Goulburn ute is half legal - the two large reflective squares can be placed on vehicles shorter than 7.5m BUT the left hand one is NOT TO HAVE ANY LETTERING!
I have the smallest sign on the back of my van - which is the same size as all the buses in Canberra have. So if following drivers can see the bus signs then they will be able to see mine.
Murray
Hylife said
10:38 PM Feb 15, 2016
madaboutled, <quote> I like the stickers that read "Do Not Overtake Overturning Vehicle" </quote>
I saw one the other day that made me smile for quite a long while.
Aimed at theives, it had been cut and pasted and it said "Do Not OverturnTaking Vehicle"
Does anyone know where I would get "Do not overtake turning vehicle" stickers in WA?
You can try any of the Caravan spare parts shops maybe
I just looked at Ebay
www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/221633526375
There are plenty of types on Ebay
Cheers John
www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Caravan-RV-Truck-Motorhome-Sign-Do-Not-Overtake-Turning-Vehicle-Class-1/150836506690%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150313114020%26meid%3D65833e33d4e04f76a34b5d245cdb1536%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D13%26sd%3D161413472532
Only $11,50 FREE Standard Postage
I put mine on the right side as its sensible (to me anyway) and no cop has had a crack at me and have had plenty of them behind them in various States, but maybe I haven't met a nitpicking one yet
I picked up a pair from a truck accessories outlet.
I have one on the left side and one on the right side..........same as the trucks.
Although it is optional to have the sign on the back of caravans, once one is displayed it carries the same authority as those on the trucks and buses and any car that ignores it and attempts to pass on the inside while a van is swinging wide is at fault.
By the way Bruce & Bev and Migra, I think that it is actually illegal to have the sign on the right side. You will note that the large square signs on the right side of trucks do not have any lettering.
It is also illegal to have the sign on any vehicle combination of less than 7.5m long - in other words it is a no-no for box trailers.
I put mine on after the Bathurst NSW State Rally when a representative from the NSW RMS told the gathering if you swing wide to turn left and a vehicle comes through on the inside, without the sign IT IS YOUR FAULT. With the sign IT IS THE CAR DRIVER'S FAULT for disregarding the sign. That was quite clear to me.
Murray
Yes please! Let me know how it is attached too, prefer not to screw into the van of course.
-- Edited by colinoldncranky on Thursday 11th of February 2016 11:47:35 AM
You'd be surprised how easy it is to get to 7.5m. My Cruiser is a touch over 5200mm to the hitch. Any twin cab will exceed 7.5m with a pixie sized trailer of around 2m hitch to back.
Of course, because the signage is applied to the trailer then you could conceivably come unstuck with a very short box trailer running behind a cruiser some times and a Honda CRV or similar at other times. :/ But for most likely towing combinations I expect that even box trailers will comply.
-- Edited by colinoldncranky on Thursday 11th of February 2016 11:57:13 AM
Now the trick is other drivers to know what to do when they see the signs....
Cheers
____________________________________________________________
Yes please! Let me know how it is attached too, prefer not to screw into the van of course.
____________________________________________________________
The signs are self adhesive. If your van is corrugated aluminum, make sure the signs are narrow enough to fit on one width of corrugation, otherwise it will start to peel off in the sun and dust fairly soon - you can get long, narrow ones to fit that are easy to see - of the driver behind reads it and doesn't stll try an "under"take you when you make a left turn and swing wide. It is an aid to making an insurance claim if you are in a collision when in this situation and it pays to take a pic of the sign and store it digitally in case you do one day have to make a claim
As well as the do not overtake sign I put one on the right that says "If you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you." Don't know whether it will do any good though as the writing seems to be too small to be read unless the following vehicle is tailgating! And then I wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
Murray
It seems to be that Evil Bay will win again you can get 3 of them for that price with change back
And you don't have to screw them on
They are stickers
Easy way to stick them on is to use a spray bottle with soapy water
so you have time to adjust them the way you like to have them
Spray a bit of water on the area
Take off the backing paper from sticker
Stick it on the spot were you want it, adjust the way you like it
Take a credit card to move all the air and water from under the sticker
Job done
Takes all of 30 seconds if that
Cheers John
That's a great idea John - I'm guessing it will work with most items that have peel-off sticky paper? I've stuffed up heaps of stickers over the years by putting them on crooked.
Regards
Truck Parts & Accessories shop/workshop as others have said also a shop selling Safety Gear might be the go, you can find them in just about any Light Industrial area around Perth.
I like the stickers that read "Do Not Overtake Overturning Vehicle" ....LOL
Regards Steve.
Becareful what type of soap you use, if you use dishwashing detergent with silicone in it, it will degrade the adhesive and if you use too much it will destroy the adhesive. In a 500ml spray bottle you only need to use less than 1/4 of a cap full. The best detergent is the cheap black & gold or no brand types because they don't contain the silicone additive. It's the silicone that makes your dishes shine.
Putting stickers on Dry is best and if you use the "Dry Hinge" method you won't get any air bubbles and it will be longer lasting.
It was $12 and about 2 feet long, yellow reflective and narrow enough to fit onto one of my vans corrugations, but big enough to see (if youre looking).
Suggest you shop around - I wouldn't pay $34 - that sounds like the very large ones that are attached to road trains and similar sized units
The obligation to back off where those signs are fitted is clearly stated in legislation.
(There is no such thing as "right of way" in legislation, just obligations to give way. For example if some one comes thru a red light you do not have right of way. Legislation is always worded in a way that avoids the term except in headings as that is what people typically look for. Hence my use of "back off".)
@ Dennis ( Hako )
Just wanted to tell you that you need only a few drops of detergent in a small spray bottle
Its that it only sticks to the surface, you don't have to to the dishes with it
Been sticking on stickers and pinstripes for more than 9 years I think that I've got an idea how to do it
If you needs more info please ask
Cheers John
Thanks John - I guess much like when smoothing Sikaflex with a finger wetted in water with a few drops of detergent. I'll experiment at the weekend with different sticker.
Regards
We have a corrugated back. I opted for the largest stickers as most of the other drivers are stupid and cant read small red and yellow signs.. lol I got some dishwashing detergent and washed down the place I wanted to place the sign, left it wet and was able to move the sign around to where I wanted it. Got rid of the air bubbles with the same cloth, pushed the sign into the depressions on the corrugation and its still there after 3 years. Showing a few cracks where I missed the air bubbles but still very serviceable and VERY visual.
It lets you sit in the middle of a 2 lane road to make turning easier, if anyone comes up beside you and you meet they get the trouble. I cant remember how much flea bay charged me.
Cheers
Murray
the right hand side warning sticker does not have wording that is shown on the left sticker, it is just red and yellow (no text).
If you buy the correct set (LH & RH) the stickers are legal to use.
None the less, I have seen the square signs put on 'back to front' on large delivery vans several times over the years. Makes me shudder as what the legal implications would be if said van made a wide left hand turn and hit a car in the inside. I imagine the car driver could argue that the signage on the back of the van only applied when making a right hand turn.
By the way, some months back I saw a utility (Holden I think) driving around Goulburn in NSW with the two large signs on the back tail gate. Now that vehicle was definitely less than 7.5m long! I wonder whether it was ever picked up by police or does it still drive around Goulburn?
Murray
Gday...
Here is the regulation to which all are referring - Standards Bulletin VSB12 - Rear Marking Plates ...
https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/files/VSB_12.pdf
Cheers - John
From the information in the regulation it seems that the Goulburn ute is half legal - the two large reflective squares can be placed on vehicles shorter than 7.5m BUT the left hand one is NOT TO HAVE ANY LETTERING!
I have the smallest sign on the back of my van - which is the same size as all the buses in Canberra have. So if following drivers can see the bus signs then they will be able to see mine.
Murray
madaboutled, <quote> I like the stickers that read "Do Not Overtake Overturning Vehicle" </quote>
I saw one the other day that made me smile for quite a long while.
Aimed at theives, it had been cut and pasted and it said "Do Not Overturn Taking Vehicle"