Hi does that mean that if myself and significant other, are capable of working till 70 to then retire on age pension, then, we will immediately have to become housebound with no means of getting food, medical and other necessities from shops 5kms away, we cant walk 10kms as we are short on leg energy haveing used them for operating a vehicle pedals for many years, family live 100kms away so they cant shop for us. Does that then mean the "upper echelons" intend that we "drop off the perch" quickly, thereby saving enormous amounts of dollars in pension,welfare and other payments??'.
Wow what a way to control population without legislation or anyone held responsible!!.
Bryan said
11:26 PM Jan 7, 2016
In terms of accidents and deaths, I wonder how the over 70s compare to the under 25s.
Young Simmo said
11:53 PM Jan 7, 2016
Graden wrote:
Hi does that mean that if myself and significant other, are capable of working till 70 to then retire on age pension, then, we will immediately have to become housebound with no means of getting food, medical and other necessities from shops 5kms away, we cant walk 10kms as we are short on leg energy haveing used them for operating a vehicle pedals for many years, family live 100kms away so they cant shop for us. Does that then mean the "upper echelons" intend that we "drop off the perch" quickly, thereby saving enormous amounts of dollars in pension,welfare and other payments??'. Wow what a way to control population without legislation or anyone held responsible!!.
Sorry Graden, but if you want people to read your posts, I suggest you find a static Avatar. That female hand is toooooooooo distracting and I certainly wont read everything you have to say.
Anybody else agree?
Simmo.
Young Simmo said
11:59 PM Jan 7, 2016
Bryan wrote:
In terms of accidents and deaths, I wonder how the over 70s compare to the under 25s.
Yes Bryan, some people are buggered at 50, and some are competing in swimming and foot racing comps at 80 and 90 years, so there is no rule of thumb. I don't have a problem with driving and written testing for over 70s. I think over here in WA you have to have a medical from 80, and I would be grateful if somebody could spell out the exact rules for WA.
Simmo.
The Phantom said
12:04 AM Jan 8, 2016
Perhaps Forummers need to read Kurt Vonnegut Jnr's classic short story "Welcome to the Monkey House".
Puts it all into perspective.
The Phantom
Desert Dweller said
05:29 AM Jan 8, 2016
I reckon that the size of caravan being towed should be limited when your over 70. Seen lots of ''old coots'' struggling to back & park them.
Hey Jim said
07:03 AM Jan 8, 2016
Desert Dweller wrote:
I reckon that the size of caravan being towed should be limited when your over 70. Seen lots of ''old coots'' struggling to back & park them.
Hi there Keith,
Plus add a driving test with the rig they tow. Plus a Check list of hooking up and not leaving anything behind.eg : The missers
Theese statistics are for the age groups 17-25 over 70 Drivers deaths from motor vehicles In VICTORIA ONLY.
Over 70 = 18 16-25 = 43
chers Jeff
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 07:58:49 AM
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 08:00:14 AM
03_Troopy said
08:29 AM Jan 8, 2016
I like your avatar Graden, but it would probably be more appropriate for some other posters .
As for the topic, it's just another opinion, similar to the ones saying 4WDs shouldn't be driven unless you live in the country. And we know what opinions are like.
the cop was passing his own opinion based on bias (hes probably going to reach that age group not the not too distant future anyway, so I'm sure he will voluntarily hand in his licence at 70 - yeah right !).
Age does not automatically reflect on a persons driving ability. I have seen many people in their 70s and probably older, who drive their van and tow vehicle like a pro - equally, Ive seen a few who I would keep well clear off. But this also applied to all age groups, not only oldies.
We often see on TV where an elderly person had driven through the front of a shop or partially over the edge of a mutli-story carpark. But we also hear just as many (or more) of younger drunks/drugged who crash into people houses
Fastcoach said
11:43 AM Jan 8, 2016
ALL drivers should have to undergo some form of testing to retain their drivers licence. Once every five years would be a reasonable period.
The test should include a basic medical examination, an eye test, a reaction time component as well as a general knowledge of the road rules section and a short driving test.
Based on a drivers driving history, the testing should have to be undertaken on a more regular basis, say every two years, for those who don't think the road rules apply to them.
Once a driver reaches a certain age, say 75 years, they should have to undergo the test at least every 3 years, as that is when many people start to loose their peripheral vision and become slower to react appropriately.
Just because a person isn't very good at backing their caravan into a tight spot, doesn't mean they're not a capable driver. How many serious crashes have you seen because a driver was reversing his van??
Everyone knows people who are well into their 80's that are totally competent drivers and most also know people in their 20's, 30's and 40's who you would never accept a lift from.
Wombat 280 said
11:54 AM Jan 8, 2016
It won't happen the govt couldn't do without the revenue coming from that portion of the driving population. Admittedly there are some out there who should have given in their licences well before 70 due to their lack of spacial awareness and reaction processing abilities . Again Govt seems to base all their off the cuff comments and decisions on city centric living conditions forgetting those who live immediately outside the city CBD who don't have access to public transport. Long before looking at age barriers pollies and their advisors need to look further than their North Sydney homes with door to door public funded transport systems and get out in the real world .
Swoffer said
12:22 PM Jan 8, 2016
Young Simmo wrote:
Graden wrote:
Hi does that mean that if myself and significant other, are capable of working till 70 to then retire on age pension, then, we will immediately have to become housebound with no means of getting food, medical and other necessities from shops 5kms away, we cant walk 10kms as we are short on leg energy haveing used them for operating a vehicle pedals for many years, family live 100kms away so they cant shop for us. Does that then mean the "upper echelons" intend that we "drop off the perch" quickly, thereby saving enormous amounts of dollars in pension,welfare and other payments??'. Wow what a way to control population without legislation or anyone held responsible!!.
Sorry Graden, but if you want people to read your posts, I suggest you find a static Avatar. That female hand is toooooooooo distracting and I certainly wont read everything you have to say.
Anybody else agree?
Simmo.
Jeez your a grumpy prick Simmo , bit like this Bryan fellow . You and he should get along fine .
As for the GN drivers , having been a truck driver for way to long I can guarantee there are senior cits that should not be driving . Some are way to fragile , cant look around , nervous and are clearly a danger to themselves and others on the roads . Equally (or even more so) there are plenty of seniors that are exemplary drivers.
Similary I'm sure any professional driver will tell you that there are many young and middle aged drivers that shouldn't be on the roads.
See a pattern here ?
Cheers Al
Swoffer said
01:30 PM Jan 8, 2016
Young Simmo wrote:
Swoffer wrote:
Young Simmo wrote:
Graden wrote:
Hi does that mean that if myself and significant other, are capable of working till 70 to then retire on age pension, then, we will immediately have to become housebound with no means of getting food, medical and other necessities from shops 5kms away, we cant walk 10kms as we are short on leg energy haveing used them for operating a vehicle pedals for many years, family live 100kms away so they cant shop for us. Does that then mean the "upper echelons" intend that we "drop off the perch" quickly, thereby saving enormous amounts of dollars in pension,welfare and other payments??'. Wow what a way to control population without legislation or anyone held responsible!!.
Sorry Graden, but if you want people to read your posts, I suggest you find a static Avatar. That female hand is toooooooooo distracting and I certainly wont read everything you have to say.
Anybody else agree?
Simmo.
Jeez your a grumpy prick Simmo , bit like this Bryan fellow . You and he should get along fine .
As for the GN drivers , having been a truck driver for way to long I can guarantee there are senior cits that should not be driving . Some are way to fragile , cant look around , nervous and are clearly a danger to themselves and others on the roads . Equally (or even more so) there are plenty of seniors that are exemplary drivers.
Similary I'm sure any professional driver will tell you that there are many young and middle aged drivers that shouldn't be on the roads.
See a pattern here ?
Cheers Al
From a grumpy old prick to a grumpy old DICKHEAD, go take a running jump.
Also you sure do have a price on yourself, the worst kind of truckie. Maybe a talk with a real professional might help.
Simmo.
Wow , thats all a bit nasty Simmo , my comment was very much in jest. Given the high lighting , I'm guessing yours are not.
No problem I will not attempt any more banter .
Internet forums , I'm outa here.
Edit : Just before I go I should just point out .
If you ignore my obviously misguided attempt at humor in the first line of my post and read the rest carefully , what I'm saying is simply that there are good and bad drivers in every age group young and old alike . To single out and lump all seniors as bad is clearly a flawed philosophy .
Anyway enjoy life .
-- Edited by Swoffer on Friday 8th of January 2016 01:38:39 PM
Young Simmo said
01:47 PM Jan 8, 2016
Simmo.
Wow , thats all a bit nasty Simmo , my comment was very much in jest. Given the high lighting , I'm guessing yours are not.
No problem I will not attempt any more banter .
Internet forums , I'm outa here.
Edit : Just before I go I should just point out .
If you ignore my obviously misguided attempt at humor in the first line of my post and read the rest carefully , what I'm saying is simply that there are good and bad drivers in every age group young and old alike . To single out and lump all seniors as bad is clearly a flawed philosophy .
Anyway enjoy life .
**********************************************
Swoffer, If you read my post 8th from the top that's exactly what I said.
Also I don't ever start Agro, but I do reply to it.
Simmo.
Desert Dweller said
01:56 PM Jan 8, 2016
Dementure seems to playing a major role in this thread.
Swoffer said
02:01 PM Jan 8, 2016
Young Simmo wrote:
Simmo.
Wow , thats all a bit nasty Simmo , my comment was very much in jest. Given the high lighting , I'm guessing yours are not.
No problem I will not attempt any more banter .
Internet forums , I'm outa here.
Edit : Just before I go I should just point out .
If you ignore my obviously misguided attempt at humor in the first line of my post and read the rest carefully , what I'm saying is simply that there are good and bad drivers in every age group young and old alike . To single out and lump all seniors as bad is clearly a flawed philosophy .
Anyway enjoy life .
**********************************************
Swoffer, If you read my post 8th from the top that's exactly what I said.
Also I don't ever start Agro, but I do reply to it.
Simmo.
Simmo , I was not commenting on your post , just making my own observation .
Also , there was never any agro only an attempt at humor. Don't worry it wont happen again.
Bryan said
02:55 PM Jan 8, 2016
Swoffer wrote:
Young Simmo wrote:
Jeez your a grumpy prick Simmo , bit like this Bryan fellow . You and he should get along fine .
Hey Al, your comment didn't upset me at all, in fact I had a good laugh and I realised you weren't serious.
I tend to take things with a pinch of salt having realised long ago that GN also stands for GRUMPY NOMADS (and I've been guilty of that too in the past)
Theese statistics are for the age groups 17-25 over 70 Drivers deaths from motor vehicles In VICTORIA ONLY.
Over 70 = 18 16-25 = 43
chers Jeff
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 07:58:49 AM
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 08:00:14 AM
I think that says it all Sharke. Thanks for putting it up.
Young Simmo said
03:29 PM Jan 8, 2016
OK That's another one I won and I can put it to bed.
Simmo.......................It feels good to be a winner.
rockylizard said
03:47 PM Jan 8, 2016
Young Simmo wrote:
OK That's another one I won and I can put it to bed. Simmo.......................It feels good to be a winner.
Gday...
Fer gawd's sake youse blokes .... it is NOT a pissing contest .... it's a bloody forum - supposedly comprising folk of similar interests but differing views.
Take a deep breath, control all that testosterone and try to act your bloody age.
Cheers - John
Young Simmo said
04:15 PM Jan 8, 2016
rockylizard wrote:
Young Simmo wrote:
OK That's another one I won and I can put it to bed. Simmo.......................It feels good to be a winner.
Gday...
Fer gawd's sake youse blokes .... it is NOT a pissing contest .... it's a bloody forum - supposedly comprising folk of similar interests but differing views.
Take a deep breath, control all that testosterone and try to act your bloody age.
Cheers - John
rockylizard, I said I was putting it to bed, and you woke it up. Simmo.
Bryan said
04:48 PM Jan 8, 2016
Be Nice
Al see what you started, I did mention to you before you joined that you have to tread very carefully on this forum. Its definitely not like the other one.
-- Edited by Bryan on Friday 8th of January 2016 04:52:00 PM
Swoffer said
04:52 PM Jan 8, 2016
Bryan wrote:
Be Nice
Thats internet forums for ya Bryan.
Webmaster said
04:55 PM Jan 8, 2016
HI all, Thanks for your input on this but I think I'll close it now. Just a reminder to please keep posts friendly and respectful. Sometimes it is difficult to interpret comments made in jest if you are not talking face to face. We welcome debate and difference of opinions on this forum ... but please keep comments focused on the topic, not at the person who posted them. Thanks.
On the channel 7 news tonight it was stated that people over the age of '70' should NOT be driving!
I have given up everything else, now looks like 'BIG BROTHER' WANTS US 'ELDERLY PEOPLE' OFF THE ROAD.
What next? Give up food?
Madness.
Stated by whom and with what authority.
Alan
Wow what a way to control population without legislation or anyone held responsible!!.
In terms of accidents and deaths, I wonder how the over 70s compare to the under 25s.
Sorry Graden, but if you want people to read your posts, I suggest you find a static Avatar. That female hand is toooooooooo distracting and I certainly wont read everything you have to say.
Anybody else agree?
Simmo.
Yes Bryan, some people are buggered at 50, and some are competing in swimming and foot racing comps at 80 and 90 years, so there is no rule of thumb. I don't have a problem with driving and written testing for over 70s. I think over here in WA you have to have a medical from 80, and I would be grateful if somebody could spell out the exact rules for WA.
Simmo.
Perhaps Forummers need to read Kurt Vonnegut Jnr's classic short story "Welcome to the Monkey House".
Puts it all into perspective.
The Phantom
I reckon that the size of caravan being towed should be limited when your over 70. Seen lots of ''old coots'' struggling to back & park them.
Hi there Keith,
Plus add a driving test with the rig they tow. Plus a Check list of hooking up and not leaving anything behind.eg : The missers
Jim
http://reporting.tacsafety.com.au/s/search.html?date-period=%22the+last+12+months%22&date-after=&date-before=&meta_J_orsand=&meta_G_orsand=&query=%21padrenull&collection=tac-xml-meta&meta_E_orsand=%2216+to+17%22&meta_E_orsand=%2218+to+20%22&meta_E_orsand=%2221+to+25%22&meta_F_orsand=%22Driver%22&clive=tac-fatalities-xml
http://reporting.tacsafety.com.au/s/search.html?date-period=%22the+last+12+months%22&date-after=&date-before=&meta_J_orsand=&meta_G_orsand=&query=%21padrenull&collection=tac-xml-meta&meta_C_orsand=%22Adjacent+direction%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Opposing+direction%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Same+direction%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Manoeuvring%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Overtaking%22&meta_C_orsand=%22On+Road%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Run+off+a+straight+road%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Run+off+road+on+a+curve%22&meta_C_orsand=%22Passenger%2Fmisc%22&meta_E_orsand=%2270+and+over%22&meta_F_orsand=%22Driver%22&clive=tac-fatalities-xml
Theese statistics are for the age groups 17-25 over 70 Drivers deaths from motor vehicles In VICTORIA ONLY.
Over 70 = 18 16-25 = 43
chers Jeff
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 07:58:49 AM
-- Edited by Sharke on Friday 8th of January 2016 08:00:14 AM
I like your avatar Graden, but it would probably be more appropriate for some other posters
.
As for the topic, it's just another opinion, similar to the ones saying 4WDs shouldn't be driven unless you live in the country. And we know what opinions are like.
(Borrowing from Kurt Vonnegut)
Age does not automatically reflect on a persons driving ability. I have seen many people in their 70s and probably older, who drive their van and tow vehicle like a pro - equally, Ive seen a few who I would keep well clear off. But this also applied to all age groups, not only oldies.
We often see on TV where an elderly person had driven through the front of a shop or partially over the edge of a mutli-story carpark. But we also hear just as many (or more) of younger drunks/drugged who crash into people houses
The test should include a basic medical examination, an eye test, a reaction time component as well as a general knowledge of the road rules section and a short driving test.
Based on a drivers driving history, the testing should have to be undertaken on a more regular basis, say every two years, for those who don't think the road rules apply to them.
Once a driver reaches a certain age, say 75 years, they should have to undergo the test at least every 3 years, as that is when many people start to loose their peripheral vision and become slower to react appropriately.
Just because a person isn't very good at backing their caravan into a tight spot, doesn't mean they're not a capable driver. How many serious crashes have you seen because a driver was reversing his van??
Everyone knows people who are well into their 80's that are totally competent drivers and most also know people in their 20's, 30's and 40's who you would never accept a lift from.
Jeez your a grumpy prick Simmo , bit like this Bryan fellow . You and he should get along fine .
As for the GN drivers , having been a truck driver for way to long I can guarantee there are senior cits that should not be driving . Some are way to fragile , cant look around , nervous and are clearly a danger to themselves and others on the roads . Equally (or even more so) there are plenty of seniors that are exemplary drivers.
Similary I'm sure any professional driver will tell you that there are many young and middle aged drivers that shouldn't be on the roads.
See a pattern here ?
Cheers Al
Wow , thats all a bit nasty Simmo , my comment was very much in jest. Given the high lighting , I'm guessing yours are not.
No problem I will not attempt any more banter .
Internet forums
, I'm outa here.
Edit : Just before I go I should just point out .
If you ignore my obviously misguided attempt at humor in the first line of my post and read the rest carefully , what I'm saying is simply that there are good and bad drivers in every age group young and old alike . To single out and lump all seniors as bad is clearly a flawed philosophy .
Anyway enjoy life .
-- Edited by Swoffer on Friday 8th of January 2016 01:38:39 PM
Simmo.
Wow , thats all a bit nasty Simmo , my comment was very much in jest. Given the high lighting , I'm guessing yours are not.
No problem I will not attempt any more banter .
Internet forums
, I'm outa here.
Edit : Just before I go I should just point out .
If you ignore my obviously misguided attempt at humor in the first line of my post and read the rest carefully , what I'm saying is simply that there are good and bad drivers in every age group young and old alike . To single out and lump all seniors as bad is clearly a flawed philosophy .
Anyway enjoy life .
**********************************************
Swoffer, If you read my post 8th from the top that's exactly what I said.
Also I don't ever start Agro, but I do reply to it.
Simmo.
Dementure seems to playing a major role in this thread.
Simmo , I was not commenting on your post , just making my own observation .
Also , there was never any agro only an attempt at humor. Don't worry it wont happen again.
Hey Al, your comment didn't upset me at all, in fact I had a good laugh and I realised you weren't serious.
I tend to take things with a pinch of salt having realised long ago that GN also stands for GRUMPY NOMADS (and I've been guilty of that too in the past)
I think that says it all Sharke. Thanks for putting it up.
Simmo.......................It feels good to be a winner.
Gday...
Fer gawd's sake youse blokes .... it is NOT a pissing contest .... it's a bloody forum - supposedly comprising folk of similar interests but differing views.
Take a deep breath, control all that testosterone and try to act your bloody age.
Cheers - John
rockylizard, I said I was putting it to bed, and you woke it up.
Simmo.
Be Nice
Al see what you started, I did mention to you before you joined that you have to tread very carefully on this forum. Its definitely not like the other one.
-- Edited by Bryan on Friday 8th of January 2016 04:52:00 PM
Thats internet forums for ya Bryan.
HI all,
Thanks for your input on this but I think I'll close it now. Just a reminder to please keep posts friendly and respectful. Sometimes it is difficult to interpret comments made in jest if you are not talking face to face. We welcome debate and difference of opinions on this forum ... but please keep comments focused on the topic, not at the person who posted them.
Thanks.