I know this has been covered in the past , but I thought its worth asking again as thecho stuff moves along at a fair clip.
Im a bit of a tech neanderthal so needth5ings expained slowly
I was telling a mate that I was going to shell out around 700 for a Hema setup , and he started going on about downloading the app or something and using my samsung tab3 in the vehicle .
So my question is can it be done and is it any good ?
I know my smasung has an gps symbol and everything but not sure if it is real gps or just cell phone tower triangulation .
Cheers Al
Radar said
03:35 AM Nov 9, 2015
Before you go that far spending money, have a look at this system.
It an app called Osm, off line street mapping, free version works fairly well.
We have been in Austria, Germany, Italy and a couple of others and it got us around using my Samsung 10.1 and on my phone a samsung galaxy 5.
We enjoy using the system, in the car or hiking. Radar.
jade46 said
06:22 AM Nov 9, 2015
Yes it can be done that way however you need internet access all the time for the app to work,so have access costs all the time from my experience with the android app on a tablet. You get the same thing from google maps for free ,maybe not as detailed as Hemma but good for average navigation
Santa said
11:35 AM Nov 9, 2015
Perhaps the name of the system could be shortened to Hemaroid.
Swoffer said
01:40 PM Nov 9, 2015
Santa wrote:
Perhaps the name of the system could be shortened to Hemaroid.
Very good Santa , vey good
Swoffer said
01:45 PM Nov 9, 2015
Radar wrote:
Before you go that far spending money, have a look at this system.
It an app called Osm, off line street mapping, free version works fairly well.
We have been in Austria, Germany, Italy and a couple of others and it got us around using my Samsung 10.1 and on my phone a samsung galaxy 5.
We enjoy using the system, in the car or hiking. Radar.
Thanks Radar , swimbo is onto it as we speak
Swoffer said
01:51 PM Nov 9, 2015
jade46 wrote:
Yes it can be done that way however you need internet access all the time for the app to work,so have access costs all the time from my experience with the android app on a tablet. You get the same thing from google maps for free ,maybe not as detailed as Hemma but good for average navigation
So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?
Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?
-- Edited by Swoffer on Monday 9th of November 2015 01:54:23 PM
03_Troopy said
03:08 PM Nov 9, 2015
Hema Explorer will work offline. Here's a link to the app where you'll get more information.
Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.
03_Troopy said
03:54 PM Nov 9, 2015
Desert Dweller wrote:
Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.
I think the original question was about using hema maps on an android device. I don't think it was about using paper maps.
jade46 said
03:56 PM Nov 9, 2015
So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?
Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?
Yes that's what I'm saying Google Maps not google earth. But for my phone and tablet I have to be online for these to work as I said .They will never be Hemma maps but for street nav it will definitely work as a gps but it is costing you data costs.
SYGIC is one of the better GPS app but there is some charges for it probably less than $10.00 I cant remember exactly
-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 03:57:54 PM
-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 04:04:43 PM
"Navigate and discover whats around you completely offline with Hema Explorer. Track your location using your devices in-built GPS receiver while you navigate with reliable Hema maps, and plan every stop along the way with 40,000 interactive POI.
POI cover accommodation (e.g. campsites, caravan parks), facilities (e.g. dump points, toilets, rest areas), services (e.g. emergency telephones, mechanical repairs), information centres and supply points (e.g. 24-hour fuel, roadhouses), with each POI containing additional information including facilities, activities and contact details where available.
While you track your location on a Hema map, record the track log of your journey along with geo-tagged photos and waypoints that you can add a title and notes to, so you can remember your trip in detail and share it with the world when you return home."
Give me a paper map anytime. If you get a flat battery out in ''the sticks'' you'll have no idea where you are. Tried & trusted Hema paper maps for me. Nothing wrong with being old fashioned I reckon. Too much ''techno junk'' around these days.
I think the original question was about using hema maps on an android device. I don't think it was about using paper maps.
"Navigate and discover whats around you completely offline with Hema Explorer. Track your location using your devices in-built GPS receiver while you navigate with reliable Hema maps, and plan every stop along the way with 40,000 interactive POI.
POI cover accommodation (e.g. campsites, caravan parks), facilities (e.g. dump points, toilets, rest areas), services (e.g. emergency telephones, mechanical repairs), information centres and supply points (e.g. 24-hour fuel, roadhouses), with each POI containing additional information including facilities, activities and contact details where available.
While you track your location on a Hema map, record the track log of your journey along with geo-tagged photos and waypoints that you can add a title and notes to, so you can remember your trip in detail and share it with the world when you return home."
So it sounds like it will work if my tab has inbuilt gps , now to try and figure out if it has , oh dear
JeffRae said
09:52 PM Nov 9, 2015
If you have a "sim" card to give you internet access, you have a GPS. We have a HEMA 6 and recently purchased the HEMA app for IPAD. Both do the same thing and both loaded with every HEMA paper map printed. The navigator likes the bigger screen, she also likes paper maps
Swoffer said
10:28 PM Nov 9, 2015
Hi Jeff
The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real
jade46 said
06:41 AM Nov 10, 2015
Swoffer If you are trying to avoid reliance on mobile phone connection then you must buy a stand alone GPS The mobile phones etc are not true GPS but rely on triangulation from towers + a very weak gps help. Below is a quote from a web page on the subject
Quote
How we got here When smartphones started to become widely used, the US government was concerned that there was no way of locating users who called the emergency services (911 in the US, 999 in the UK). This led to the development of GPS systems that didnt use the US governments satellite-based Global Positioning System (GPS). Instead, they used triangulation (actually, multilateration) between nearby cell-phone towers or base stations. This muddied the distinction between any old location system and the real satellite-based GPS.
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Today, the location system in smartphones and tablets works pretty well using triangulation from cellphone towers, input from in-range Wi-Fi, and tracking from your last known position. Indeed, it works without a proper aerial and no view of the sky. Add a bit of real GPS and the results are even better. This system is usually called Assisted GPS (A-GPS, AGPS or sometimes aGPS).
Assisted GPS greatly reduces the critical time-to-first-fix, because the device doesnt have to scour the sky to figure out where it is. It already knows that, especially if it has been supplied with orbital satellite data over the mobile phone network. (This does not require Simultaneous GPS or S-GPS, which just means the device can receive GPS and voice data at the same time.)
-- Edited by jade46 on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 06:42:04 AM
03_Troopy said
07:23 AM Nov 10, 2015
JeffRae wrote:
If you have a "sim" card to give you internet access, you have a GPS. We have a HEMA 6 and recently purchased the HEMA app for IPAD. Both do the same thing and both loaded with every HEMA paper map printed. The navigator likes the bigger screen, she also likes paper maps
Not the case with other pads JeffRae. My Asus Android TF101 doesn't have a sim card, but it does have a GPS chip that works quite well. We've used it well out of cell range with Wikicamps and Sygic and had no problems locating and finding nearby camps with it.
03_Troopy said
07:24 AM Nov 10, 2015
Swoffer wrote:
Hi Jeff The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real
What model Samsung do you have Swoffer?
Wazza999 said
09:39 AM Nov 10, 2015
The tablet will have a standalone real gps. I use my original galaxy tab 1 without a sim card installed and the gps works perfectly well. Perhaps this is because it is still receiving a signal from towers even though only emergency calls are available. As has been said the assisted gps enables a faster fix. Anyone who has used dedicated gps will know that it can take a few minutes to get a first fix if you move regions e.g. travel by air. I have been thinking about the Hema system as well either on a tablet or the dedicated device.
A bit might depend on whether you want effectively road maps of gazetted roads and the fruit that comes with car gps systems of parking, fuel, campsites etc. etc., or off-road tracks and navigation or both. I think the offline maps you get for off-road navigation are only the 1:250K topos? There are 1:100K maps for NSW and 1:50K Vic topos available on the net free in the OziExplorer format. I understand that you can buy satellite imagery to go with the maps whatever way you go (app or dedicated device) although they seem to be 14m pixel Landsat images. The sat images available for google and apple maps are higher resolution for many areas and may in fact be air photos. Due to some poor planning on my part I was led up the garden path by google maps but being able to see where I was on a sat image was very useful as I could see that I was eventually going to get where I wanted to go and that the track was going to be ok towing the trailer, something not possible with a topo map only. The 14m pixels on the Landsat images are several times track width so I'm not sure how good they'd be for this. I've used coarser imagery for general planning back in my work days but not for real time navigation. I consider myself to be technically competent wrt gps and nav devices and can even do some basic gis but in reality when you are travelling for leisure you just want to get there, get the info you need and enjoy yourself, not strain the brain and relationships by using some cobbled together cheap system which might be fine for desktop planning but not on the move navigation. That said another free android app is Androzic. It uses street maps on-line but you can store and use OziExplorer format maps for real time off-line tracking. Hope that helps.
Swoffer said
11:20 AM Nov 10, 2015
03_Troopy wrote:
Swoffer wrote:
Hi Jeff The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real
What model Samsung do you have Swoffer?
Galaxy t3 16gig
Swoffer said
11:25 AM Nov 10, 2015
Good stuff Wazza
Cheers Al
03_Troopy said
11:37 PM Nov 10, 2015
What wazza said, it does have a GPS chip fitted, so will give you location even without mobile coverage.
or maybe even read the manual to see if your Galaxy Tab has a standalone GPS
Swoffer said
12:07 AM Nov 13, 2015
Great link Jeff thanks .
But , read the manual ? Plllllllease , who does that
DarylC said
11:45 AM Nov 14, 2015
I have Hema maps loaded on my ipad (I assume android tablets work the same)
I spend 6 months of the year out of mobile range & use the hema maps extensively.
I wouldn't be without it in the back blocks of the outback.
Hi all .
I know this has been covered in the past , but I thought its worth asking again as thecho stuff moves along at a fair clip.
Im a bit of a tech neanderthal so needth5ings expained slowly
I was telling a mate that I was going to shell out around 700 for a Hema setup , and he started going on about downloading the app or something and using my samsung tab3 in the vehicle .
So my question is can it be done and is it any good ?
I know my smasung has an gps symbol and everything but not sure if it is real gps or just cell phone tower triangulation .
Cheers Al
Before you go that far spending money, have a look at this system.
It an app called Osm, off line street mapping, free version works fairly well.
We have been in Austria, Germany, Italy and a couple of others and it got us around using my Samsung 10.1 and on my phone a samsung galaxy 5.
We enjoy using the system, in the car or hiking. Radar.
Perhaps the name of the system could be shortened to Hemaroid.
Very good Santa , vey good
Thanks Radar , swimbo is onto it as we speak
So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?
Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?
-- Edited by Swoffer on Monday 9th of November 2015 01:54:23 PM
Hema Explorer will work offline. Here's a link to the app where you'll get more information.
Hema Explorer.
I think the original question was about using hema maps on an android device. I don't think it was about using paper maps.
So help me out with this jade , your saying that you can get the whole gps experience with google maps ?
Im really after a system that can give me my position in the map In real time . Asking too much ?
Yes that's what I'm saying Google Maps not google earth. But for my phone and tablet I have to be online for these to work as I said .They will never be Hemma maps but for street nav it will definitely work as a gps but it is costing you data costs.
SYGIC is one of the better GPS app but there is some charges for it probably less than $10.00 I cant remember exactly
-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 03:57:54 PM
-- Edited by jade46 on Monday 9th of November 2015 04:04:43 PM
From the website:
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Offline Features
"Navigate and discover whats around you completely offline with Hema Explorer. Track your location using your devices in-built GPS receiver while you navigate with reliable Hema maps, and plan every stop along the way with 40,000 interactive POI.
POI cover accommodation (e.g. campsites, caravan parks), facilities (e.g. dump points, toilets, rest areas), services (e.g. emergency telephones, mechanical repairs), information centres and supply points (e.g. 24-hour fuel, roadhouses), with each POI containing additional information including facilities, activities and contact details where available.
While you track your location on a Hema map, record the track log of your journey along with geo-tagged photos and waypoints that you can add a title and notes to, so you can remember your trip in detail and share it with the world when you return home."
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You're dead right Troopy.
The whole reliance on mobile phone signal is what im trying to avoid . Im hoping that my Tab has satellite based gps . I have a small dig camera that has gps built in so im kinda hoping that the Samsung Tab has this also . Mind you the chance that I'm totally confused here is very real
Swoffer
If you are trying to avoid reliance on mobile phone connection then you must buy a stand alone GPS
The mobile phones etc are not true GPS but rely on triangulation from towers + a very weak gps help.
Below is a quote from a web page on the subject
Quote
How we got here
When smartphones started to become widely used, the US government was concerned that there was no way of locating users who called the emergency services (911 in the US, 999 in the UK). This led to the development of GPS systems that didnt use the US governments satellite-based Global Positioning System (GPS). Instead, they used triangulation (actually, multilateration) between nearby cell-phone towers or base stations. This muddied the distinction between any old location system and the real satellite-based GPS.
Advertisement
Today, the location system in smartphones and tablets works pretty well using triangulation from cellphone towers, input from in-range Wi-Fi, and tracking from your last known position. Indeed, it works without a proper aerial and no view of the sky. Add a bit of real GPS and the results are even better. This system is usually called Assisted GPS (A-GPS, AGPS or sometimes aGPS).
Assisted GPS greatly reduces the critical time-to-first-fix, because the device doesnt have to scour the sky to figure out where it is. It already knows that, especially if it has been supplied with orbital satellite data over the mobile phone network. (This does not require Simultaneous GPS or S-GPS, which just means the device can receive GPS and voice data at the same time.)
-- Edited by jade46 on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 06:42:04 AM
Not the case with other pads JeffRae. My Asus Android TF101 doesn't have a sim card, but it does have a GPS chip that works quite well. We've used it well out of cell range with Wikicamps and Sygic and had no problems locating and finding nearby camps with it.
What model Samsung do you have Swoffer?
A bit might depend on whether you want effectively road maps of gazetted roads and the fruit that comes with car gps systems of parking, fuel, campsites etc. etc., or off-road tracks and navigation or both. I think the offline maps you get for off-road navigation are only the 1:250K topos? There are 1:100K maps for NSW and 1:50K Vic topos available on the net free in the OziExplorer format. I understand that you can buy satellite imagery to go with the maps whatever way you go (app or dedicated device) although they seem to be 14m pixel Landsat images. The sat images available for google and apple maps are higher resolution for many areas and may in fact be air photos. Due to some poor planning on my part I was led up the garden path by google maps but being able to see where I was on a sat image was very useful as I could see that I was eventually going to get where I wanted to go and that the track was going to be ok towing the trailer, something not possible with a topo map only. The 14m pixels on the Landsat images are several times track width so I'm not sure how good they'd be for this. I've used coarser imagery for general planning back in my work days but not for real time navigation. I consider myself to be technically competent wrt gps and nav devices and can even do some basic gis but in reality when you are travelling for leisure you just want to get there, get the info you need and enjoy yourself, not strain the brain and relationships by using some cobbled together cheap system which might be fine for desktop planning but not on the move navigation. That said another free android app is Androzic. It uses street maps on-line but you can store and use OziExplorer format maps for real time off-line tracking. Hope that helps.
Galaxy t3 16gig
Cheers Al
kb.hemamaps.com.au/article/AA-00312/13/
I don't have ipad tho , I have samsung android , wonder if the same applies ?
kb.hemamaps.com.au/article/AA-00466/10/
or maybe even read the manual to see if your Galaxy Tab has a standalone GPS
But , read the manual ? Plllllllease , who does that
I spend 6 months of the year out of mobile range & use the hema maps extensively.
I wouldn't be without it in the back blocks of the outback.