Just how many other countries have had a mis- calculation . Why is Mal bothering to go to Paris if no one is telling the truth, maybe his staff need the O/S xmas shopping excursion Read the NASA assessment of the polar ice and it's growing bigger than ever so who can we believe
Wombat280 My Goodness !!! How dare you post a true and factual report on here !!! --- No one can make money out of the truth !
rockylizard said
07:59 AM Nov 8, 2015
Gday...
We all remain oblivious to so much ... completely, and naively, accepting the facts fed to us by media, government and 'experts' .... and of course reports/information/expert commentary via the internet. All the more so if it suits our own opinion.
I would be interested in knowing the source of the article presented above - publication and author and their background - and the source/s and references referred to from the New York Times publication.
Articles such as these rarely give 'searchable' sources that can be researched and assessed by the readers of this now apparently 'informed' and 'revealing' new information.
The only thing that is certain in all this stuff, is that the majority of the members (if not all ) of this forum will not be here to see who turns out to be right.
Cheers - John
Wombat 280 said
09:40 AM Nov 8, 2015
I wouldn't be sweating the outcome of climate change in my lifetime, If we listen to the so called expert advice one minute we are all going to freeze next we are going to cook or all the dams will run dry . No wonder there are so many climate depressed people out there. I get depressed after a couple of days rain keeps me indoors. Just think if the ice melts there will be a sea level rise hence more fishing spots Bring it on
PS Our own CSIRO are now showing a tendency to take a bet each way but you need to read their report not the news grabs media use to sell papers,
As we improve the methods of climate data gathering and collating along with the sensitivity of the instrumentation available we may get somewhere near a true story on what part fossil fuel s play in the overall picture Like the scientist that started this we won't be hear to see it .
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Sunday 8th of November 2015 09:55:59 AM
dorian said
10:54 AM Nov 8, 2015
If the Maldives and various Pacific islands are shrinking, then obviously the sea levels are rising. If the extra water isn't coming from the polar ice caps, then where?
Wombat 280 said
06:24 PM Nov 8, 2015
Maybe their sinking , after all the occupied areas started out as a sandbars and drift wood
Casualkev said
11:20 AM Nov 9, 2015
Yeah man don't you realize that them islands are just floating around!
Kev
Wombat 280 said
12:49 PM Nov 9, 2015
To add yet more to climate and sea rise theories to the mix which are just as valid as each other but not yet studied in detail
!. The earths core is cooling and the planet is shrinking hence sea levels are rising
2. The magnetic forces are pulling the planet off it's axis, hence sea level rise
3. The magnetic poles are reversing, hence sea level rise and temp variations
4. It's a natural cyclic event which we have no long-term records to confirm such events ??????
5. The reclamation of foreshores to allow for population growth . In some counties land reclamation has almost doubled the original land mass, hence that displaced water has to go somewhere
Recall staying in the Travel Lodge in Singapore in the 70's right on the water front now that hotel with a different name is many K's inland
There are as many theories out there as there are scientist, get four in a room and the end result will be four different opinions the first to publish their theory wins the debate, that's the way science works in the real world of academia
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Monday 9th of November 2015 01:13:54 PM
Casualkev said
08:18 PM Nov 9, 2015
What are you eating Wombat? Do you actually believe this waffle you are burbling?
Wombat, as you say, it's not going to effect us in our lifetime.
Just sit down and open another bottle.
The Phantom said
09:38 AM Nov 10, 2015
dorian wrote:
If the Maldives and various Pacific islands are shrinking, then obviously the sea levels are rising. If the extra water isn't coming from the polar ice caps, then where?
Check the statistics. World consumption of alcohol is rising.
That could be creating a lot of extra fluids that may be responsible for the rising sea levels.
The Phantom
dorian said
10:58 AM Nov 10, 2015
Personally I'm past caring about anything anymore. The young generation deserve the kind of world that they're going to get. In any case Putin is rattling his sabre, China is making threatening moves in the Spratlys, and North Korea, Pakistan and Islamic nutters have the bomb or are well on their way to getting one. WW3 isn't far away.
Young Simmo said
02:46 PM Nov 10, 2015
Well, I read somewhere that the Earth has been around for something like 4,500 million years, and if it is halfway through it's cycle, I strongly doubt that any of us will be here at the end.
Simmo
Mind you I have been wrong before.
Krusty said
08:46 AM Nov 11, 2015
Those who don't believe in Climate Change by now are choosing not to believe in Climate Change no matter what anyone says. I wouldn't waste my breath. Oops, I just did.
Just how many other countries have had a mis- calculation . Why is Mal bothering to go to Paris if no one is telling the truth, maybe his staff need the O/S xmas shopping excursion Read the NASA assessment of the polar ice and it's growing bigger than ever so who can we believe
Wombat280 My Goodness !!! How dare you post a true and factual report on here !!!
--- No one can make money out of the truth ! 
Gday...
We all remain oblivious to so much
... completely, and naively, accepting the facts fed to us by media, government and 'experts' .... and of course reports/information/expert commentary via the internet. All the more so if it suits our own opinion. 
I would be interested in knowing the source of the article presented above - publication and author and their background - and the source/s and references referred to from the New York Times publication.
Articles such as these rarely give 'searchable' sources that can be researched and assessed by the readers of this now apparently 'informed' and 'revealing' new information.
[edit1: here is the answer to my question regarding source of the article - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/china-underreporting-coal-consumption-by-up-to-17-data-suggests]
[edit2: here is aninteresting article that suggests that China in fact is producing LESS carbon emissions than had been assumed by 'the experts'
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-33972247]
[edit3: http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2015/08/20/why-chinas-carbon-emissions-are-lower-than-everyone-thought/]
[edit4: http://carbon-pulse.com/chinas-co2-emissions-exaggerated-by-up-to-14-study-finds/]
As the subject of this post suggests ... Who can we believe?
Cheers - John
-- Edited by rockylizard on Sunday 8th of November 2015 08:11:33 AM
Gday...
Here ya go Troopy -
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/617144/Antarctica-not-shrinking-growing-ice-caps-melting
The only thing that is certain in all this stuff, is that the majority of the members (if not all
) of this forum will not be here to see who turns out to be right. 
Cheers - John
I wouldn't be sweating the outcome of climate change in my lifetime, If we listen to the so called expert advice one minute we are all going to freeze next we are going to cook or all the dams will run dry . No wonder there are so many climate depressed people out there. I get depressed after a couple of days rain keeps me indoors. Just think if the ice melts there will be a sea level rise hence more fishing spots Bring it on
PS Our own CSIRO are now showing a tendency to take a bet each way but you need to read their report not the news grabs media use to sell papers,
As we improve the methods of climate data gathering and collating along with the sensitivity of the instrumentation available we may get somewhere near a true story on what part fossil fuel s play in the overall picture Like the scientist that started this we won't be hear to see it .
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Sunday 8th of November 2015 09:55:59 AM
Yeah man don't you realize that them islands are just floating around!
Kev
To add yet more to climate and sea rise theories to the mix which are just as valid as each other but not yet studied in detail
!. The earths core is cooling and the planet is shrinking hence sea levels are rising
2. The magnetic forces are pulling the planet off it's axis, hence sea level rise
3. The magnetic poles are reversing, hence sea level rise and temp variations
4. It's a natural cyclic event which we have no long-term records to confirm such events ??????
5. The reclamation of foreshores to allow for population growth . In some counties land reclamation has almost doubled the original land mass, hence that displaced water has to go somewhere
Recall staying in the Travel Lodge in Singapore in the 70's right on the water front now that hotel with a different name is many K's inland
There are as many theories out there as there are scientist, get four in a room and the end result will be four different opinions the first to publish their theory wins the debate, that's the way science works in the real world of academia
-- Edited by Wombat 280 on Monday 9th of November 2015 01:13:54 PM
Kev
www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-03/west-antarctic-ice-melt-could-raise-seas-by-3-metres/6908118
Kev
Wombat, as you say, it's not going to effect us in our lifetime.
Just sit down and open another bottle.
Check the statistics. World consumption of alcohol is rising.
That could be creating a lot of extra fluids that may be responsible for the rising sea levels.
The Phantom
Well, I read somewhere that the Earth has been around for something like 4,500 million years, and if it is halfway through it's cycle, I strongly doubt that any of us will be here at the end.
Simmo
Mind you I have been wrong before.