4 is a hands down winner for me... the new offering is dull beyond belief. I think if you did a vox populi that the average Kiwi on the street would think the same.
spida said
09:41 AM Sep 24, 2015
I so agree - read all the hoohaa about the top design and why it should be added. Then went to look up an American federation flag - reminded me of something I had seen. I think it could represent any country in the world where as the other 4 are very NZ. I like the 4th also, but do have the 2nd on my ute - bought it at the Kiwi shop in Joodalup about 4 years ago!
Cadpete said
09:45 AM Sep 24, 2015
I also reckon number 4. I wonder if a flag manufacturer suggested that 5th monstrosity, as all of the others would, I believe, be more costly to produce?
Ondabeach said
09:46 AM Sep 24, 2015
I reckon #5 looks like a nautical flag... like something a ship would fly to indicate that divers were below cleaning the head outlets
I've never been a fan of changing flags... but I must admit I'll be a bit jealous of 2 or 4 if one of those gets the nod.
kiwijims said
10:06 AM Sep 24, 2015
The New Zealand government has bowed to public pressure and added an extra flag design to the four options already being considered for a new national banner.
Designer Aaron Dustin says it contains references to New Zealand's mountainous terrain and indigenous Maori culture.
More than 50,000 people signed a petition calling for Red Peak's inclusion in a ballot for a new flag to potentially replace the existing one, which has a British Union Jack in the corner.
An opinion poll this week showed 69 per cent of people want to keep the current flag.
Mr Key ( The Prime Minister) has led the push for a new flag, saying the existing one is an outdated relic of British colonial rule and should be replaced with something that "screams New Zealand".
Kiwis will pick their favourite among the five options in a referendum to be held between November 20 and December 11.
The winning design will then go head-to-head against the existing flag in a second vote in March
K.J.
Ondabeach said
10:22 AM Sep 24, 2015
I'm shocked Jim... NZ has a politician with an agenda... glad we don't have any of those here
If 69% are in favour of keeping the original then it sounds like a lot of money is just being thrown down the drain... and again, I'm glad our pollies don't do that
kiwijims said
10:45 AM Sep 24, 2015
Ondabeach wrote:
I'm shocked Jim... NZ has a politician with an agenda... glad we don't have any of those here
If 69% are in favour of keeping the original then it sounds like a lot of money is just being thrown down the drain... and again, I'm glad our pollies don't do that
Yes I must say, these opinion polls are a funny thing, I for one ,have never been asked to join in any in my entire life, I would like to know where the 69% live !!!
Talk about Pollies wasting money, You should see how they are going at it here in the West, talking about building light rail, a new Stadium for Sport, under ground entrances to the Port, and not to mention that horrible attraction called the Bell Tower, which by the way has been leaking like a sieve since it was built, "Whoops" got me a bit side tracked here,
Back to the Flag, lets hope they finally pick a design that is sensible, not some stupid design that only the creator knows what it means.
K.J.
Weevil said
01:51 PM Sep 24, 2015
kiwijims wrote:
I can't say that this added design is to my liking , but apparently it is proving very popular,
The other flags on the short list are these..........
My preference still goes to the forth design,
What do others think ?????
K.J.
I reckon the top one looks like a logo for a food packet. If I was a Kiwi I would vote for number 4 on the first and second vote (against the existing flag). I am sure the Kiwi's will choose the right one in the end. If the 2nd (final) vote is to retain the current flag it will be a very long time before they will be able to vote on one again due to the cost involved in these two voting segments.
-- Edited by Weevil on Thursday 24th of September 2015 01:52:00 PM
kiwijims said
03:28 PM Sep 24, 2015
You;re dead right about the cost of changing the Flag Vic,
here is an extract from the NZ Herald News Paper,
Taxpayers face $25 million bill even if old flag stays,
Changing New Zealand's flag is likely to cost the taxpayer $30 million or more, with Finance Minister Bill English acknowledging he doesn't know what the final total will be.
Just the build-up to the votes on the flag - and the referendums themselves - will cost $25.7 million.
The publicity blitz around selecting the new designs, which begins on Anzac Day next year, will cost $6.7 million, while the two referendums will cost $17.3 million. Other costs will take the overall bill to $25.7 million whether the flag is changed or not.
However, a regulatory impact statement released yesterday estimates additional costs of up to $2.66 million to replace flags and Defence Force uniforms if the flag is changed.
Other costs, including changing flags on government ships and on drivers' licences, were unknown.
Mr Key said it wasn't possible to have a "serious process" around changing the flag without spending money on two referendums.
Makes me wonder, Is it worth it. ????
K.J.
dorian said
05:13 PM Sep 24, 2015
Why should the actual referendum cost anything? People should be able to vote by phone just as they do for everything else. This is the digital age, not the age of pen and paper.
bill12 said
07:26 PM Sep 24, 2015
Where,s the one with the jandals and the chili bin? Really ,the fourth one is great. Perhaps its time for QZ the get rid of the union jack on our flag , also. Bill
Weevil said
07:59 PM Sep 24, 2015
kiwijims wrote:
You;re dead right about the cost of changing the Flag Vic,
here is an extract from the NZ Herald News Paper,
Taxpayers face $25 million bill even if old flag stays,
Changing New Zealand's flag is likely to cost the taxpayer $30 million or more, with Finance Minister Bill English acknowledging he doesn't know what the final total will be.
Just the build-up to the votes on the flag - and the referendums themselves - will cost $25.7 million.
The publicity blitz around selecting the new designs, which begins on Anzac Day next year, will cost $6.7 million, while the two referendums will cost $17.3 million. Other costs will take the overall bill to $25.7 million whether the flag is changed or not.
However, a regulatory impact statement released yesterday estimates additional costs of up to $2.66 million to replace flags and Defence Force uniforms if the flag is changed.
Other costs, including changing flags on government ships and on drivers' licences, were unknown.
Mr Key said it wasn't possible to have a "serious process" around changing the flag without spending money on two referendums.
Makes me wonder, Is it worth it. ????
K.J.
Cripes KJ, they could build a hospital or two for that money!
I can't say that this added design is to my liking , but apparently it is proving very popular,
The other flags on the short list are these..........
My preference still goes to the forth design,
What do others think ?????
K.J.
Not sure how the new 5th one even crept in.
4 is a hands down winner for me... the new offering is dull beyond belief. I think if you did a vox populi that the average Kiwi on the street would think the same.
I also reckon number 4. I wonder if a flag manufacturer suggested that 5th monstrosity, as all of the others would, I believe, be more costly to produce?
I reckon #5 looks like a nautical flag... like something a ship would fly to indicate that divers were below cleaning the head outlets
I've never been a fan of changing flags... but I must admit I'll be a bit jealous of 2 or 4 if one of those gets the nod.
The New Zealand government has bowed to public pressure and added an extra flag design to the four options already being considered for a new national banner.
Designer Aaron Dustin says it contains references to New Zealand's mountainous terrain and indigenous Maori culture.
More than 50,000 people signed a petition calling for Red Peak's inclusion in a ballot for a new flag to potentially replace the existing one, which has a British Union Jack in the corner.
An opinion poll this week showed 69 per cent of people want to keep the current flag.
Mr Key ( The Prime Minister) has led the push for a new flag, saying the existing one is an outdated relic of British colonial rule and should be replaced with something that "screams New Zealand".
Kiwis will pick their favourite among the five options in a referendum to be held between November 20 and December 11.
The winning design will then go head-to-head against the existing flag in a second vote in March
K.J.
I'm shocked Jim... NZ has a politician with an agenda... glad we don't have any of those here
If 69% are in favour of keeping the original then it sounds like a lot of money is just being thrown down the drain... and again, I'm glad our pollies don't do that
Yes I must say, these opinion polls are a funny thing, I for one ,have never been asked to join in any in my entire life, I would like to know where the 69% live !!!
Talk about Pollies wasting money, You should see how they are going at it here in the West, talking about building light rail, a new Stadium for Sport, under ground entrances to the Port, and not to mention that horrible attraction called the Bell Tower, which by the way has been leaking like a sieve since it was built, "Whoops" got me a bit side tracked here,
Back to the Flag, lets hope they finally pick a design that is sensible, not some stupid design that only the creator knows what it means.
K.J.
I reckon the top one looks like a logo for a food packet. If I was a Kiwi I would vote for number 4 on the first and second vote (against the existing flag). I am sure the Kiwi's will choose the right one in the end. If the 2nd (final) vote is to retain the current flag it will be a very long time before they will be able to vote on one again due to the cost involved in these two voting segments.
-- Edited by Weevil on Thursday 24th of September 2015 01:52:00 PM
You;re dead right about the cost of changing the Flag Vic,
here is an extract from the NZ Herald News Paper,
Taxpayers face $25 million bill even if old flag stays,
Changing New Zealand's flag is likely to cost the taxpayer $30 million or more, with Finance Minister Bill English acknowledging he doesn't know what the final total will be.
Just the build-up to the votes on the flag - and the referendums themselves - will cost $25.7 million.
The publicity blitz around selecting the new designs, which begins on Anzac Day next year, will cost $6.7 million, while the two referendums will cost $17.3 million. Other costs will take the overall bill to $25.7 million whether the flag is changed or not.
However, a regulatory impact statement released yesterday estimates additional costs of up to $2.66 million to replace flags and Defence Force uniforms if the flag is changed.
Other costs, including changing flags on government ships and on drivers' licences, were unknown.
Mr Key said it wasn't possible to have a "serious process" around changing the flag without spending money on two referendums.
Makes me wonder, Is it worth it. ????
K.J.
Cripes KJ, they could build a hospital or two for that money!