Tracy wrote to RMS (Roads and Maritime Service NSW) re; The "No Camping" Signs in the rest areas for Trucks/Cars..... and for them to clarify what No Camping means to the RMS.... Here is the reply....
Dear Tracy, Thank you for your enquiry to Roads and Maritime Services about the use of rest areas in NSW.
Roads and Maritime Services supports the Centre for Road Safety campaign to Rest Revive and Survive, and acknowledges that long distance drivers do need to take regular short breaks in order to avoid fatigue.
To encourage drivers to take regular short breaks, Roads and Maritime has provided rest areas along major transport corridors in NSW. Roads and Maritime also has no objection to rest areas being used as picnic areas and has provided BBQ facilities at some locations.
Unfortunately, some rest areas in NSW are being used as holiday camping grounds, with some visitors setting up camp for consecutive days. This behaviour limits the parking that should be available to, and is required by, other drivers who may need to take a short break.
As a general rule, Roads and Maritime has no objection to drivers taking a short break of up to 24 hours in a rest area, to ensure a driver has had sufficient rest before recommencing their journey. This is generally consistent with other States.
However, Roads and Maritime would encourage long distance motorists seeking overnight stays or breaks longer than 24 hours to plan their journeys in advance and consider staying at commercial camping grounds or venues with the appropriate amenities to meet their needs.
At locations where motorists have been observed staying longer than 24 hours in a rest area, Roads and Maritime has placed No Camping signs to remind visitors they are in a designated Rest Area and not a Camping Area. This is intended to maximise access to rest areas for all road users.
In light of the concerns you and other customers have raised regarding the restricted use of rest areas, we are currently developing a policy response that will provide clarity for motorists.
03_Troopy said
06:06 PM Sep 1, 2015
sounds pretty fair
Happywanderer said
06:36 PM Sep 1, 2015
Sounds fair to me. I always thought that was the case, an overnighter, not a long term camping spot.
jules47 said
06:58 PM Sep 1, 2015
Ditto -though we came across a couple and their dog camped behind the trees at one such roadside stop, in NSW. You wouldn't have known they were they but one of them sneezed as we passed on a walk.
Desert Dweller said
07:01 PM Sep 1, 2015
Sounds OK to us though we do have our reservations. Some Rest Areas have large areas adjacent to them where people stay for a lot longer than one night. Meadow Glen RA on the Barrier Hwy is an example. It has an area as big as a CP at the rear & along side it mingled with bush. No truck could possible access the area away from the RA as there are lots of trees. Do the NO CAMPING signs apply just to the RA itself or the whole unofficial bush camp? We stayed there for 3 nights about 300 metres away from the RA proper. Some folk had been staying there for a week or more as it's a very nice area well off the Hwy. Basically everyone was camped along a private property boundary fence on crown land. Where does the RA finish & the bush camp start? Interesting to see if the RMS tries to move people on in those circumstances. There are many similar campgrounds near RA's, at least four of them between Cobar & Broken Hill. We were well rested by the time we arrived in Broken Hill as it took over a week to get there from Cobar.
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 07:12:11 PM
aussietraveller said
07:13 PM Sep 1, 2015
I believe that rest areas are exactly that Rest Areas not free camp areas I think allowing a 24 hour stop is an excellent option as it allows tired drivers to stop and have a sleep which is to all our benefit , we all need to respect the rules ensuring there is space for all to pull over for a break. We have never spent 24 hours in a rest stop but have had plenty of breaks at them along the way and it's good to know that if you are tired or a bit crook you can stop and have a sleep.
Radar said
07:23 PM Sep 1, 2015
Personally after spending my working life as a transport driver 12 hours would be more then long enough for all to share and enjoy these purpose built and maintained RMS rest areas in NSW while travelling between a and b.
To enjoy more then 2 meals in these rest areas is camping to me, to pull out of one and go down the road 15 minutes or so to the next is not fair on the genuine travelling public.
I have heard people say that "if you are not in a rest area by mid day you are on the side of the road", not that many years ago these rest areas would be empty up to around 4 ish in the afternoon.
The Pacific Highway is a classic of being or was up until RMS put up the no camping signage as being over used or miss used as intended on the east coast between Newcastle and the Qld border. So much so on our last trip home from being down Sydney way the one we had lunch in was being enjoyed and room to park our car and van but previously I needed to park in the transport area on another time it was so crowded did not stop for it appeared some were using it stay a little longer. Clothes lines out, awning, chairs and tv set up. Personally to noisy for me with passing traffic.
This is my rant for the day. Ralph.
-- Edited by Radar on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 07:28:39 PM
dogbox said
08:48 PM Sep 1, 2015
12 hrs should be more than enough
villatranquilla said
09:16 PM Sep 1, 2015
actually I don't think 12hrs is quite long enough especially in winter. We like to be off the road before dark and generally don't get going till after 7am when there is less chance of hitting wild-life and the sun is a bit higher in the sky.
reglynn said
09:19 PM Sep 1, 2015
So i take that 12 hr is enough for you, i arrive at 4pm, that means i have to leave at 4 am . Not happy Jan nor will other campers.
I think the 12 hr rule is for the day sleepers oooppppps campers.
-- Edited by reglynn on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 09:20:05 PM
KFT said
09:41 PM Sep 1, 2015
12 hours is not enough for us either, it does take at least that to ease the aches and pains away.
May be why some states allow up to 20 hours
we only ever stop for an overnighter if there is nowhere else that is better.
frank
03_Troopy said
09:52 PM Sep 1, 2015
On second viewing, I think the rest areas should only be limited to 12 hours, to stop people planning them in as free camping spots. They are rest areas, not free camps. They're there so someone driving through, can pull over for a sleep when they feel too tired to carry on. If you want to free camp, then go find a free camp spot somewhere away from the road, not a RMS designated rest area.
Radar said
02:24 AM Sep 2, 2015
Thank you Troopy
Now I am away from base home unable to get the real regs for driving hours, transport driver for some of their hours don't equal other hours. Night time against day time rest or driving times.
Now I would not have a problem with a traveller pulling into a rest bay at 5pm and leaving at 8.30am, 16 hours later, meal break, sleep breakfast and gone.
The ones pulling in earlier then this and having lunch, dinner, sleep and breakfast thats questionable.
Now you say ah "but he drove for 4 hours from the last overnight spot", there not a traveller they are wandering about living a dream camping where and mostly as long as they like.
These rest area are as the sign reads Rest Area for travelling Public.
Now the question is how long is a rest period 15, 30 minutes or 4, 8, 12 hours, not because we don't want to be on the road because there maybe a wandering animal could come and get you. Sun to high, sun to low, We do't support caravan parks or low cost showgrounds, yes lots of reason to stay longer, the rules are made for all travelling motorist.
As a caravanist (my new word for the day) I also like to start looking for a overnight rest area after about 4pm on and leave after breakfast next morning and once I was not well pulled up just after lunch parked up for the afternoon but was on a low traffic highway and left mid morning. Shared the rest area with 2 transports and couple of others during the night, the area was very big and got over near the fence out of the road.
I do try to thing of others and I enjoy my travells with out causing problems for others. Ralph.
dogbox said
09:43 AM Sep 2, 2015
reglynn wrote:
So i take that 12 hr is enough for you, i arrive at 4pm, that means i have to leave at 4 am . Not happy Jan nor will other campers.
I think the 12 hr rule is for the day sleepers oooppppps campers.
-- Edited by reglynn on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 09:20:05 PM
they are suppose to be rest areas not overnite camp areas with a bit of planning i'm sure people could find quieter more pleasant places to stop for the nite without all the traffic coming an going disturbing your "rest" time
Spydermann said
10:03 AM Sep 2, 2015
I think everyone here is saying the same thing here and that's confirming the RMS definition of Rest Areas / No camping / 24 hr camping. I think the RMS article is quite clear and I think identical rules apply in all states. Certainly did in NSW & Qld in the 1980s. Not sure about Vic. Hope this is not another set of rules that vary from state to state.
Spydermann said
10:07 AM Sep 2, 2015
Just printed out the RMS response and stuck it inside my Camps8 book for reference in case some officious person tries to bluff me when resting / camping.
DMaxer said
10:21 AM Sep 2, 2015
This is something that has never really bothered me. I usually plan ahead where I am going to stop and nearly always find a pleasant spot off the main road where I can have an overnight sleep and a bit of relaxation. I can think of nothing more hideous than sleeping in a rest area with a thousand others, parked near a garbage bin with trucks coming and going down the road next to me. On the occasions when I pull in to the rest area for a cuppa I get right down one end, have a break and then toddle off. Wedged in to some rest stop arguing with a council worker as to why you should be there is not my idea of travelling around in a caravan. Anyway, to each his or her own.
brickies said
10:33 AM Sep 2, 2015
Would have to be hard up to camp in a rest area has big rigs would be coming and going all night has they only stop for their required breaks the go again off to their next required stop thats their work patten
Spydermann said
10:35 AM Sep 2, 2015
It's also good to pull up in daylight.
Stopped once on the New England highway after dark. Then after a few hours just got a feeling something wasn't quite right. It was a wayside stop but it was also the entry to a pig farm with grain trucks going in an out regularly and several vans of Gypsies parked in a corner who looks like they actually lived there.
Another time with my parents, dad pulled up about midnight in what he thought was a country lane, layed the seats in the old Vanguard out to a full bed and we all when to sleep. Some other vehicles pulled up too so dad thought it must be a good overnight stop. Then about 5:00 am all hell broke loose. We were actually camped in the "trade" entrance to the Albury showgrounds and it was set-up day for the show. We had blocked off access to all the carnival trucks, food vans, cattle trucks etc. waiting to setup.
03_Troopy said
10:51 AM Sep 2, 2015
Spydermann wrote:
It's also good to pull up in daylight.
Stopped once on the New England highway after dark. Then after a few hours just got a feeling something wasn't quite right. It was a wayside stop but it was also the entry to a pig farm with grain trucks going in an out regularly and several vans of Gypsies parked in a corner who looks like they actually lived there.
Another time with my parents, dad pulled up about midnight in what he thought was a country lane, layed the seats in the old Vanguard out to a full bed and we all when to sleep. Some other vehicles pulled up too so dad thought it must be a good overnight stop. Then about 5:00 am all hell broke loose. We were actually camped in the "trade" entrance to the Albury showgrounds and it was set-up day for the show. We had blocked off access to all the carnival trucks, food vans, cattle trucks etc. waiting to setup.
We had an old Vanguard Standard Panel Van when I was a kid. Mum and dad in the front, and 4 kids piled in the back. Because the back had no windows, it always smelled of petrol fumes and chunder lol. We did a few over night trips in that too. Kids sleeping in the back and mum and dad sleeping in the front seet.
justcruisin01 said
05:17 PM Sep 2, 2015
At least that person got an answer; i made the same enquiry two yrs back a still waiting.
JC.
pawsoz said
06:50 PM Sep 2, 2015
If the powers that be from the roads mob has indicated that a 24 hr stop is permissible, that sounds reasonable, I do think that 12 hours is a bit short by the time one has cooked a meal, cleaned up, gone to bed and had a bit of a wash and brush up in the morning along with a coffee and breakfast. Not wise to get out on the road too early, what with wildlife and commuters heading off to work, including the truckies.
There is another thing to consider, I am one of those that see it as my travellers duty to do a clean up at any rest area I overnight in and if it is still dark I wouldn't be able to see the grotty stuff.
annie
Bruce and Bev said
09:10 PM Sep 2, 2015
a clear and easily understood letter from a Govt Dept - sack that woman or man that wrote it !!!!!!!!!
madaboutled said
10:35 PM Sep 2, 2015
For the interest to those that may hold a blue Australian National Disability Parking Permit I provide the following information that maybe of interest in your travels.
Reading the RMS responce, one could assume that imposing any parking limit with the use of a sign be it 12 hours, 20 hours, 24 hours or whatever, that such parking given the fact it has a specified limit on the sign would be deemed as regulated parking.
Therefore for holders of a blue Australian Disability Parking Permit are not limited by the rule because the parking limit is greater than 30 minutes. State to state the rules are pretty much the same. When following the NSW link below, note that the website and information is provided by the RMS
Note that the parking permit is generally limited to vehicles less than 4500 Kg.
We've been travelling for 4 years now and never camped at a roadside stop on a main highway.
Be worse than staying in a CP I reckon. Specially if it was crowded.
Plenty of places to camp all over this great country.
dishlicker said
07:27 AM Sep 5, 2015
Hi all as an x interstate truckie of some 30 yrs i never had an issue with travelers in parking bays as long as they were either outon the side at the enterance or at the far end this allows a btruck to pull in safely and exit with ease even in road houses if they are of to the side ok i did see a truck reverse and push a caravan at 3am in rain and darkness begause he was not visable we should all think about how we park when we pull up hop out and look can a b double get in here to all the best safe travels
citylimits said
10:06 PM Mar 20, 2016
Hi all. Just want to ask the question as to what people would do if the RMS come out with a policy in regards to rest area's where as it places NO OVERNIGHT STAY for campers, caravans and motorhomes? What will be the next option to overnight stays? I ask this because the RMS is in the process of developing a new strategy in the guidelines in Rest Area's and their intended use, and if they do place these signs there the aftermath will be a lot of people being fined.
Swoffer said
10:18 PM Mar 20, 2016
Well , im no lawyer , but .
Over here in the west as , I assume , on the east coast , we are constantly told by any number of authorities - dont drive tired , are you awake at the wheel , fatigue mangement , rest revive survive etc etc .
I reckon that any of these departments ( rms or whomever)that tried to prosecute me for taking an overnite fatigue break would lose .
Aus-Kiwi said
11:23 PM Mar 20, 2016
You guys are making an issue over nothing . Play on words . Free camping , overnight sleep . Much the same .. We just keep clear of trucks ., in most cases there's RV spots and semi's seperate .. Another they often ask is have grey / black tanks . Like people have to be told ?
citylimits said
05:23 PM Mar 21, 2016
I just think people have pushed the issue too far and now everyone is going to lose. And NSW is not the only state taking action, South Australia has already put up signs in most rest areas. I think too many people have abused the system and now everyone has to pay. If and when NSW ban overnight stays in rest areas, then it won't be long before other states follow. Laugh as much as you want at me but when it happens don't go crying like babies.
This is from another forum.
Tracy wrote to RMS (Roads and Maritime Service NSW) re; The "No Camping" Signs in the rest areas for Trucks/Cars..... and for them to clarify what No Camping means to the RMS.... Here is the reply....
Dear Tracy,
Thank you for your enquiry to Roads and Maritime Services about the use of rest areas in NSW.
Roads and Maritime Services supports the Centre for Road Safety campaign to Rest Revive and Survive, and acknowledges that long distance drivers do need to take regular short breaks in order to avoid fatigue.
To encourage drivers to take regular short breaks, Roads and Maritime has provided rest areas along major transport corridors in NSW. Roads and Maritime also has no objection to rest areas being used as picnic areas and has provided BBQ facilities at some locations.
Unfortunately, some rest areas in NSW are being used as holiday camping grounds, with some visitors setting up camp for consecutive days. This behaviour limits the parking that should be available to, and is required by, other drivers who may need to take a short break.
As a general rule, Roads and Maritime has no objection to drivers taking a short break of up to 24 hours in a rest area, to ensure a driver has had sufficient rest before recommencing their journey. This is generally consistent with other States.
However, Roads and Maritime would encourage long distance motorists seeking overnight stays or breaks longer than 24 hours to plan their journeys in advance and consider staying at commercial camping grounds or venues with the appropriate amenities to meet their needs.
At locations where motorists have been observed staying longer than 24 hours in a rest area, Roads and Maritime has placed No Camping signs to remind visitors they are in a designated Rest Area and not a Camping Area. This is intended to maximise access to rest areas for all road users.
In light of the concerns you and other customers have raised regarding the restricted use of rest areas, we are currently developing a policy response that will provide clarity for motorists.
Sounds fair to me. I always thought that was the case, an overnighter, not a long term camping spot.
Sounds OK to us though we do have our reservations. Some Rest Areas have large areas adjacent to them where people stay for a lot longer than one night. Meadow Glen RA on the Barrier Hwy is an example. It has an area as big as a CP at the rear & along side it mingled with bush. No truck could possible access the area away from the RA as there are lots of trees.
Interesting to see if the RMS tries to move people on in those circumstances. There are many similar campgrounds near RA's, at least four of them between Cobar & Broken Hill. We were well rested by the time we arrived in Broken Hill as it took over a week to get there from Cobar.
Do the NO CAMPING signs apply just to the RA itself or the whole unofficial bush camp? We stayed there for 3 nights about 300 metres away from the RA proper. Some folk had been staying there for a week or more as it's a very nice area well off the Hwy. Basically everyone was camped along a private property boundary fence on crown land. Where does the RA finish & the bush camp start?
-- Edited by Desert Dweller on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 07:12:11 PM
Personally after spending my working life as a transport driver 12 hours would be more then long enough for all to share and enjoy these purpose built and maintained RMS rest areas in NSW while travelling between a and b.
To enjoy more then 2 meals in these rest areas is camping to me, to pull out of one and go down the road 15 minutes or so to the next is not fair on the genuine travelling public.
I have heard people say that "if you are not in a rest area by mid day you are on the side of the road", not that many years ago these rest areas would be empty up to around 4 ish in the afternoon.
The Pacific Highway is a classic of being or was up until RMS put up the no camping signage as being over used or miss used as intended on the east coast between Newcastle and the Qld border. So much so on our last trip home from being down Sydney way the one we had lunch in was being enjoyed and room to park our car and van but previously I needed to park in the transport area on another time it was so crowded did not stop for it appeared some were using it stay a little longer. Clothes lines out, awning, chairs and tv set up. Personally to noisy for me with passing traffic.
This is my rant for the day. Ralph.
-- Edited by Radar on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 07:28:39 PM
So i take that 12 hr is enough for you, i arrive at 4pm, that means i have to leave at 4 am . Not happy Jan nor will other campers.
I think the 12 hr rule is for the day sleepers oooppppps campers.
-- Edited by reglynn on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 09:20:05 PM
May be why some states allow up to 20 hours
we only ever stop for an overnighter if there is nowhere else that is better.
frank
Thank you Troopy
Now I am away from base home unable to get the real regs for driving hours, transport driver for some of their hours don't equal other hours. Night time against day time rest or driving times.
Now I would not have a problem with a traveller pulling into a rest bay at 5pm and leaving at 8.30am, 16 hours later, meal break, sleep breakfast and gone.
The ones pulling in earlier then this and having lunch, dinner, sleep and breakfast thats questionable.
Now you say ah "but he drove for 4 hours from the last overnight spot", there not a traveller they are wandering about living a dream camping where and mostly as long as they like.
These rest area are as the sign reads Rest Area for travelling Public.
Now the question is how long is a rest period 15, 30 minutes or 4, 8, 12 hours, not because we don't want to be on the road because there maybe a wandering animal could come and get you. Sun to high, sun to low, We do't support caravan parks or low cost showgrounds, yes lots of reason to stay longer, the rules are made for all travelling motorist.
As a caravanist (my new word for the day) I also like to start looking for a overnight rest area after about 4pm on and leave after breakfast next morning and once I was not well pulled up just after lunch parked up for the afternoon but was on a low traffic highway and left mid morning. Shared the rest area with 2 transports and couple of others during the night, the area was very big and got over near the fence out of the road.
I do try to thing of others and I enjoy my travells with out causing problems for others. Ralph.
they are suppose to be rest areas not overnite camp areas with a bit of planning i'm sure people could find quieter more pleasant places to stop for the nite without all the traffic coming an going disturbing your "rest" time
This is something that has never really bothered me. I usually plan ahead where I am going to stop and nearly always find a pleasant spot off the main road where I can have an overnight sleep and a bit of relaxation. I can think of nothing more hideous than sleeping in a rest area with a thousand others, parked near a garbage bin with trucks coming and going down the road next to me. On the occasions when I pull in to the rest area for a cuppa I get right down one end, have a break and then toddle off. Wedged in to some rest stop arguing with a council worker as to why you should be there is not my idea of travelling around in a caravan. Anyway, to each his or her own.
Stopped once on the New England highway after dark. Then after a few hours just got a feeling something wasn't quite right. It was a wayside stop but it was also the entry to a pig farm with grain trucks going in an out regularly and several vans of Gypsies parked in a corner who looks like they actually lived there.
Another time with my parents, dad pulled up about midnight in what he thought was a country lane, layed the seats in the old Vanguard out to a full bed and we all when to sleep. Some other vehicles pulled up too so dad thought it must be a good overnight stop. Then about 5:00 am all hell broke loose. We were actually camped in the "trade" entrance to the Albury showgrounds and it was set-up day for the show. We had blocked off access to all the carnival trucks, food vans, cattle trucks etc. waiting to setup.
We had an old Vanguard Standard Panel Van when I was a kid. Mum and dad in the front, and 4 kids piled in the back. Because the back had no windows, it always smelled of petrol fumes and chunder lol. We did a few over night trips in that too. Kids sleeping in the back and mum and dad sleeping in the front seet.
At least that person got an answer; i made the same enquiry two yrs back a still waiting.
JC.
There is another thing to consider, I am one of those that see it as my travellers duty to do a clean up at any rest area I overnight in and if it is still dark I wouldn't be able to see the grotty stuff.
annie
For the interest to those that may hold a blue Australian National Disability Parking Permit I provide the following information that maybe of interest in your travels.
Reading the RMS responce, one could assume that imposing any parking limit with the use of a sign be it 12 hours, 20 hours, 24 hours or whatever, that such parking given the fact it has a specified limit on the sign would be deemed as regulated parking.
Therefore for holders of a blue Australian Disability Parking Permit are not limited by the rule because the parking limit is greater than 30 minutes. State to state the rules are pretty much the same. When following the NSW link below, note that the website and information is provided by the RMS
Note that the parking permit is generally limited to vehicles less than 4500 Kg.
For Queensland:
Using your parking permit
Australian parking permit
You can use your Australian permit to park:
Private car parks may charge their own fees. You will need to check the terms and conditions of parking in private car parks.
For NSW:
We've been travelling for 4 years now and never camped at a roadside stop on a main highway.
Be worse than staying in a CP I reckon. Specially if it was crowded.
Plenty of places to camp all over this great country.
Hi all as an x interstate truckie of some 30 yrs i never had an issue with travelers in parking bays as long as they were either outon the side at the enterance or at the far end this allows a btruck to pull in safely and exit with ease even in road houses if they are of to the side ok i did see a truck reverse and push a caravan at 3am in rain and darkness begause he was not visable we should all think about how we park when we pull up hop out and look can a b double get in here to all the best safe travels
Over here in the west as , I assume , on the east coast , we are constantly told by any number of authorities - dont drive tired , are you awake at the wheel , fatigue mangement , rest revive survive etc etc .
I reckon that any of these departments ( rms or whomever)that tried to prosecute me for taking an overnite fatigue break would lose .