Who has spotted the new ad at the top of this page - Evolithium Battery Systems - out in the open after all the secrecy which has surrounded lithium for a long time.
Dougwe said
02:31 PM Aug 27, 2015
Yep, sure did Jules. Had a quck sqizz and look good. I will look into them when current set up give in.
jules47 said
05:50 PM Aug 27, 2015
Yeah it does look good, and reasonably simple! That was what scared people off I think, it was made to look complicated.
Bill B said
06:11 PM Aug 27, 2015
No, what will scare people off is the price.
Cruising Cruze said
07:15 PM Aug 27, 2015
Hi Bill
You would be supriced
Say you have 3x100 ahr Fullriver batteries at 360dollars each
you can get 200 ahr for just $1400 what supose to last 2 times as long as AGM ones
A complete setup for just less than 2000 including charger and Victron 700BMV
Cheers John
Plendo said
11:12 PM Aug 27, 2015
Looking at the web site they list a price for one size of bare lithium cells, and it looks reasonable.
Lithium batteries require a higher initial investment, and historically they also require technical knowledge to implement and use them (monitoring, managing etc). But once set up they offer a far superior solution, lighter, better charging, better power deliver, longer life etc.
It looks as if this company is packaging the bare lithium batteries in a case with a battery management system, such that it becomes a set and forget option suitable for people who do not have the technical ability to use bare lithium batteries.
From my reading of the web site, the customer still needs to provide the charger, and this can be challenging with a larger battery set up.
I like what they are doing, but I suspect the system prices may be a little scary.
Krusty said
09:28 AM Aug 28, 2015
Facebook has the prices between about $3000-$5000.
Long Weekend said
09:36 AM Aug 28, 2015
What has not been mentioned is what is the expected life of the batteries.
All batteries have a finite life - whether in a mobile phone or a car. So can users expect to pay between $3000 and $5000 every, say, five years or so?
Murray
Jaahn said
09:45 AM Aug 28, 2015
Hi
I asked for prices and this is their reply today.
"The EVO-180 has the same useable capacity as a 300Ah AGM (150Ah), and the EVO-400 has the same usable capacity as a 650Ah AGM(320Ah) because lithium can be discharged down to 80% daily without any loss of capacity.
Our lithium battery system retails for $3690 for EVO-180Ah and $5980 for the EVO-400Ah, you can find further information on our website www.evolithium.com.au or your welcome to contact myself on the below numbers."
Etc
Jaahn
PS I did not see the bare batteries on their site ?
On battery life. I have my last old analogue mobile phone which has a light in the top and I kept it for emergency use. Still works OK and I occasionally charge the battery every couple of years. Hardly use it now but seems sad to throw it out. That original battery has been GOOD.
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 28th of August 2015 10:03:34 AM
jules47 said
09:53 AM Aug 28, 2015
Regarding lithium battery life span, Voyager One was launched into space 1977- that is 38 years ago! Runs on lithium batteries.
check it out.
Voyager 1 is a space probe launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, to study the outer Solar System. Operating for 37 years, 11 months and 17 days, the spacecraft still communicates with the Deep Space ... Wikipedia
-- Edited by jules47 on Friday 28th of August 2015 09:56:52 AM
in transit said
10:28 AM Aug 28, 2015
I had a look at one of the 180aH batteries at Solar Express in Caboulture this morning. The product looked professional and at the quoted price of $3600, I expected it would.
The data sheet claimed that it could supply 140aH/day if needed and have a battery life of 10 years. The physical size is impressive for this level of output.
The salesman told me it is compatible with any type of solar regulator and agreed that by the time the battery needed replacing,new technology could outdate the system, necessitating a complete re-capitalisation rather than just mounting a new battery. He also agreed that prices would drop dramatically in the next year or so.
Despite all that, it is clear that for an average RVer, conventional batteries are still by far the most economical.
Spydermann said
10:31 AM Aug 28, 2015
The EVOLithium site is written in Chinglish and leaves a bit to be desired quality-wise. I just hope their product is better. It surprises me that Chinese companies make some interesting products to market to the rest of the world then seem to ignore good quality advertising & manuals.
Dav4Cris said
08:21 PM Aug 29, 2015
Considering that I have bought and setup a complete system with 500watts of solar, a 3000/6000watt pure sine wave inverter, DC/DC charger, 40amp 240v mains charger and 200 Ah of lithium with BMS system for $2800 their price is so far over the top for just a battery pack with BMS.
I could have setup a 400Ah unit for $3800.00. I did not have the funds to go with the 400Ah, will eventually end up with 400Ah.
200Ah is brillant, runs everything we need including, coffee machine, microwave and can even run the AC for a few hours. 400Ah and 900watts of solar and we can be quite comfortable all year round and no need to plug into 240.
Muskat55 said
08:49 AM Sep 2, 2015
jules47 wrote:
Regarding lithium battery life span, Voyager One was launched into space 1977- that is 38 years ago! Runs on lithium batteries.
check it out.
Voyager 1 is a space probe launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, to study the outer Solar System. Operating for 37 years, 11 months and 17 days, the spacecraft still communicates with the Deep Space ... Wikipedia
-- Edited by jules47 on Friday 28th of August 2015 09:56:52 AM
I think Voyager is nuclear powered, the above Wikipedia article confirms this. Voyager is beyond Pluto not much sunlight to recharge anything Lithium or otherwise :)
03_Troopy said
11:15 AM Sep 2, 2015
jules47 wrote:
Regarding lithium battery life span, Voyager One was launched into space 1977- that is 38 years ago! Runs on lithium batteries.
check it out.
Voyager 1 is a space probe launched by NASA on September 5, 1977, to study the outer Solar System. Operating for 37 years, 11 months and 17 days, the spacecraft still communicates with the Deep Space ... Wikipedia
-- Edited by jules47 on Friday 28th of August 2015 09:56:52 AM
LOL Jules, didn't see anything about lithium or any other type of battery in that link. I did see this though:
Voyager 1 has three radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) mounted on a boom. Each MHW-RTG contains 24 pressed plutonium-238 oxide spheres.[16] The RTGs generated about 470 watts of electric power at the time of launch, with the remainder being dissipated as waste heat.[17] The power output of the RTGs does decline over time (due to the 87.7-year half-life of the fuel and degradation of the thermocouples), but the RTGs of Voyager 1 will continue to support some of its operations until 2025.[11][16]
As calculated automatically based on today's date, Voyager 1 only has 74.1% of the plutonium-238 that it had at launch. By 2025, it will have only 68.8% left.
Just joined here and saw this. Very interested as we are newbs at RVing. Have bought an ex rental Jayco Conquest 4x4 C Class on VW chassis. Done one trip to Queensland from Perth and back. Loved it. Love having 240 volt at parks but would like to free camp and not lose that. Nowhere to store a generator and don't really like the hassle. Would be happy to spend around $3000 to do it but have no expertise. So would need an expert to set it all up for me. So I could have 240v on the road and still plug into power at Parks. Where do I start? Should I start at a battery specialist or solar specialist? I doubt over here there would be anyone offering the whole deal.
Who has spotted the new ad at the top of this page - Evolithium Battery Systems - out in the open after all the secrecy which has surrounded lithium for a long time.
You would be supriced
Say you have 3x100 ahr Fullriver batteries at 360dollars each
you can get 200 ahr for just $1400 what supose to last 2 times as long as AGM ones
A complete setup for just less than 2000 including charger and Victron 700BMV
Cheers John
Looking at the web site they list a price for one size of bare lithium cells, and it looks reasonable.
Lithium batteries require a higher initial investment, and historically they also require technical knowledge to implement and use them (monitoring, managing etc). But once set up they offer a far superior solution, lighter, better charging, better power deliver, longer life etc.
It looks as if this company is packaging the bare lithium batteries in a case with a battery management system, such that it becomes a set and forget option suitable for people who do not have the technical ability to use bare lithium batteries.
From my reading of the web site, the customer still needs to provide the charger, and this can be challenging with a larger battery set up.
I like what they are doing, but I suspect the system prices may be a little scary.
All batteries have a finite life - whether in a mobile phone or a car. So can users expect to pay between $3000 and $5000 every, say, five years or so?
Murray
Hi
I asked for prices and this is their reply today.
"The EVO-180 has the same useable capacity as a 300Ah AGM (150Ah), and the EVO-400 has the same usable capacity as a 650Ah AGM(320Ah) because lithium can be discharged down to 80% daily without any loss of capacity.
Our lithium battery system retails for $3690 for EVO-180Ah and $5980 for the EVO-400Ah, you can find further information on our website www.evolithium.com.au or your welcome to contact myself on the below numbers."
Etc
Jaahn
PS I did not see the bare batteries on their site ?
On battery life. I have my last old analogue mobile phone which has a light in the top and I kept it for emergency use. Still works OK and I occasionally charge the battery every couple of years. Hardly use it now but seems sad to throw it out. That original battery has been GOOD.
-- Edited by Jaahn on Friday 28th of August 2015 10:03:34 AM
Regarding lithium battery life span, Voyager One was launched into space 1977- that is 38 years ago! Runs on lithium batteries.
check it out.
-- Edited by jules47 on Friday 28th of August 2015 09:56:52 AM
The data sheet claimed that it could supply 140aH/day if needed and have a battery life of 10 years. The physical size is impressive for this level of output.
The salesman told me it is compatible with any type of solar regulator and agreed that by the time the battery needed replacing,new technology could outdate the system, necessitating a complete re-capitalisation rather than just mounting a new battery. He also agreed that prices would drop dramatically in the next year or so.
Despite all that, it is clear that for an average RVer, conventional batteries are still by far the most economical.
I think Voyager is nuclear powered, the above Wikipedia article confirms this. Voyager is beyond Pluto not much sunlight to recharge anything Lithium or otherwise :)
LOL Jules, didn't see anything about lithium or any other type of battery in that link. I did see this though:
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Voyager 1 has three radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs) mounted on a boom. Each MHW-RTG contains 24 pressed plutonium-238 oxide spheres.[16] The RTGs generated about 470 watts of electric power at the time of launch, with the remainder being dissipated as waste heat.[17] The power output of the RTGs does decline over time (due to the 87.7-year half-life of the fuel and degradation of the thermocouples), but the RTGs of Voyager 1 will continue to support some of its operations until 2025.[11][16]
As calculated automatically based on today's date, Voyager 1 only has 74.1% of the plutonium-238 that it had at launch. By 2025, it will have only 68.8% left.
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Just joined here and saw this. Very interested as we are newbs at RVing. Have bought an ex rental Jayco Conquest 4x4 C Class on VW chassis. Done one trip to Queensland from Perth and back. Loved it. Love having 240 volt at parks but would like to free camp and not lose that. Nowhere to store a generator and don't really like the hassle. Would be happy to spend around $3000 to do it but have no expertise. So would need an expert to set it all up for me. So I could have 240v on the road and still plug into power at Parks. Where do I start? Should I start at a battery specialist or solar specialist? I doubt over here there would be anyone offering the whole deal.