It's not V8 Supercars where 2lb tyre pressure can make a difference in grip..
Nor is tyres as in plane getting cold enough to freeze any moisture in three..
John Heddles said
10:23 AM Jun 9, 2015
I suggest a prize con trick for the bulk of folk.
For aircraft, we use nitrogen for two reasons - dry (so not a freezing problem at -50C odd) and nil oxygen (for tyre fire considerations)
Ondabeach said
10:45 AM Jun 9, 2015
Air = 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen and 1% various trace gasses.
Putting Nitrogen in caravan tyres = 100% wank
Mike196 said
12:14 PM Jun 9, 2015
As stated above, there are particular reasons nitrogen is used in aeroplane and racing car tyres. The ONLY advantage to using it in your Van or tow vehicle is that nitrogen takes a lot longer to bleed thru the tyre wall compared to normal air. What amuses me is that tyre is never properly evacuated before they put the nitrogen in.
Spydermann said
01:30 PM Jun 9, 2015
Ondabeach wrote:
Air = 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen and 1% various trace gasses.
Putting Nitrogen in caravan tyres = 100% wank
James Bond would never be able to survive sucking out a car tyre underwater when it's pure nitrogen.
The Phantom said
04:52 PM Jun 9, 2015
And how much do Jayco charge you for the privilege of putting nitrogen in your tyres
I tend to agree, air is free Nitro is around $6 a wheel.
Hey Jim said
08:27 PM Jun 9, 2015
Hi Phil,
I that case, just maybe I can ask for a free top up under Jayco Warranty.
NB: Better ask to blowem up to 45psi on delivery....
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 08:34:56 PM
Phillipn said
10:05 AM Jun 11, 2015
This must be Jayco`s answer to stop their vans from falling apart.
Jaahn said
12:29 PM Jun 12, 2015
Mike196 wrote:
As stated above, there are particular reasons nitrogen is used in aeroplane and racing car tyres. The ONLY advantage to using it in your Van or tow vehicle is that nitrogen takes a lot longer to bleed thru the tyre wall compared to normal air. What amuses me is that tyre is never properly evacuated before they put the nitrogen in.
Hi Mike196,
If the normal air bleeds out faster than nitrogen, what is it that bleeds out, the 21% oxygen?? If so you end up with the 78% nitrogen anyway !! plus the 1% assorted stuff. This is just the usual crap idea to justify the cost !!
As said already a complete wank and a commercial opportunity to sell crap ideas to the gullible punters IMHO using some suspect facts.
Jaahn
Phil Owen said
06:04 PM Jun 13, 2015
I have used nitrogen in all my vehicles tyres for the past 15 years or so mainly because I had free access to it but found that I never had to top up my tyres and I got nearly double the mileage as they never heated up on the road. Nitrogen is an inert gas and won't freeze or heat up. That is the main reason they use it in aviation. I hope this helps. Regards Phil.
Jaahn said
08:05 AM Jun 14, 2015
Phil Owen wrote:
I have used nitrogen in all my vehicles tyres for the past 15 years or so mainly because I had free access to it but found that I never had to top up my tyres and I got nearly double the mileage as they never heated up on the road. Nitrogen is an inert gas and won't freeze or heat up. That is the main reason they use it in aviation. I hope this helps. Regards Phil.
Hi Phil,
Sorry to say this but the facts do not support your statements. "twice the mileage " YOU WISH
If you have good brand tires with a quality lining then the pressure loss is minimal WHATEVER THE GAS IS INSIDE. I recall doing a test at a tire shop many years ago on a reps car with Mitchelin tires and it went for a complete set of tires without putting air in them. No nitrogen BS back in the late 60s.
Jaahn
Phil Owen said
11:09 AM Jun 14, 2015
130,000 on a set of desert duellers with still plenty of tread when I sold the troopy. Go figure!
Quanger said
04:49 PM Jun 14, 2015
130,000 with plenty left? Yeah, right.
03_Troopy said
06:39 PM Jun 17, 2015
Phil Owen wrote:
I have used nitrogen in all my vehicles tyres for the past 15 years or so mainly because I had free access to it but found that I never had to top up my tyres and I got nearly double the mileage as they never heated up on the road. Nitrogen is an inert gas and won't freeze or heat up. That is the main reason they use it in aviation. I hope this helps. Regards Phil.
So, using that theory, Liquid Nitrogen is the same temperature as gaseous nitrogen? Actually it's the flexing of the tyre that causes heat, which in turn causes the inflation gas to heat up and expand. Maybe nitrogen doesn't expand as much as ordinary air, but I couldn't really be bothered to look it up as someone else pointed out... in an ordinary motor vehicle, or van.. a TWOTAM.
Phil Owen said
02:38 PM Jun 20, 2015
What is this a pissing contest?
Ondabeach said
03:06 PM Jun 20, 2015
Haha, good to see you live up to your signature firey Phil
It's not a pissing contest mate, but if you put up misleading and completely incorrect information you're bound to cop a bit of a pasting.
Suggesting that using nitrogen in your tyres will double their life isn't just misleading, it's utter nonsense.
An inert gas is one that does not react with other substances, it has nothing to do with how it responds to temperature change. Nitrogen will heat and cool just like any other gas, or any kind of matter. Nitrogen and oxygen expand at almost exactly the same rate with temperature change.
You may have access to free nitrogen, but for those that would have to pay for it, it's worse than a waste of money. Using nitrogen will in fact cost you more in the long run. At $5 per tyre to top up, even topping up twice would far outweigh any increase in tyre life you might think you'll get, which I believe to be zero in any case.
iana said
05:26 PM Jun 20, 2015
Oh God put this thread to bed!
Phil Owen said
09:31 PM Jun 20, 2015
What is this like a gang here? Lets all get together and beat the the **** out of the new bloke. CMG's have tried it. I thought you gn"s (obviously only in this little group) would be above this sort of bulling, but if it's in the gene pool and there is no life guard so be it.
CMG (Criminal Motorcycle Gangs ) for the non informed.
The Phantom said
03:45 AM Jun 21, 2015
Phil, come and join me. We'll be a gang of 2 (supported by a few who often PM me as they don't wish to draw attention to themselves)
I often get set upon by the resident Einsteins.
I travel to the beat of a different drum (as the song goes) and some of my sarcasm flies over their heads at several hundreds of Kms/hour.
It has passed long before it sinks in and all they can revert to is verbal bullying. But, I'm a resilient type and can give as good as I get and manage to stay under Cindy's radar.
Just remember the old saying about arguing with fools, being dragged down to their level and being beaten by their experience. Heed that and you'll enjoy it here.
The Phantom
Webmaster said
09:39 AM Jun 21, 2015
Thanks everyone for your input; however I think it's best to close this now. Although we welcome robust debate in this forum, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Please ensure that posts are positive and respectful.
Hi all,
Our new Jayco van will come supplied with Nitrogen filled Tyres.
Were does one check and fill up with Nitrogen air?
Jim
Nitrogen in tyres - WOFTAM. See this link
Nor is tyres as in plane getting cold enough to freeze any moisture in three..
I suggest a prize con trick for the bulk of folk.
For aircraft, we use nitrogen for two reasons - dry (so not a freezing problem at -50C odd) and nil oxygen (for tyre fire considerations)
Air = 78% Nitrogen, 21% Oxygen and 1% various trace gasses.
Putting Nitrogen in caravan tyres = 100% wank
As stated above, there are particular reasons nitrogen is used in aeroplane and racing car tyres. The ONLY advantage to using it in your Van or tow vehicle is that nitrogen takes a lot longer to bleed thru the tyre wall compared to normal air. What amuses me is that tyre is never properly evacuated before they put the nitrogen in.
James Bond would never be able to survive sucking out a car tyre underwater when it's pure nitrogen.
And how much do Jayco charge you for the privilege of putting nitrogen in your tyres
The Phantom
I tend to agree, air is free Nitro is around $6 a wheel.
Hi Phil,
I that case, just maybe I can ask for a free top up under Jayco Warranty.
NB: Better ask to blowem up to 45psi on delivery....
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Tuesday 9th of June 2015 08:34:56 PM
This must be Jayco`s answer to stop their vans from falling apart.
Hi Mike196,
If the normal air bleeds out faster than nitrogen, what is it that bleeds out, the 21% oxygen?? If so you end up with the 78% nitrogen anyway !! plus the 1% assorted stuff. This is just the usual crap idea to justify the cost !!
As said already a complete wank and a commercial opportunity to sell crap ideas to the gullible punters IMHO using some suspect facts.
Jaahn
Hi Phil,
Sorry to say this but the facts do not support your statements. "twice the mileage " YOU WISH
If you have good brand tires with a quality lining then the pressure loss is minimal WHATEVER THE GAS IS INSIDE. I recall doing a test at a tire shop many years ago on a reps car with Mitchelin tires and it went for a complete set of tires without putting air in them.
No nitrogen BS back in the late 60s.
Jaahn
So, using that theory, Liquid Nitrogen is the same temperature as gaseous nitrogen? Actually it's the flexing of the tyre that causes heat, which in turn causes the inflation gas to heat up and expand. Maybe nitrogen doesn't expand as much as ordinary air, but I couldn't really be bothered to look it up
as someone else pointed out... in an ordinary motor vehicle, or van.. a TWOTAM.
Haha, good to see you live up to your signature firey Phil
It's not a pissing contest mate, but if you put up misleading and completely incorrect information you're bound to cop a bit of a pasting.
Suggesting that using nitrogen in your tyres will double their life isn't just misleading, it's utter nonsense.
An inert gas is one that does not react with other substances, it has nothing to do with how it responds to temperature change. Nitrogen will heat and cool just like any other gas, or any kind of matter. Nitrogen and oxygen expand at almost exactly the same rate with temperature change.
You may have access to free nitrogen, but for those that would have to pay for it, it's worse than a waste of money. Using nitrogen will in fact cost you more in the long run. At $5 per tyre to top up, even topping up twice would far outweigh any increase in tyre life you might think you'll get, which I believe to be zero in any case.
CMG (Criminal Motorcycle Gangs ) for the non informed.
Phil, come and join me. We'll be a gang of 2 (supported by a few who often PM me as they don't wish to draw attention to themselves)
I often get set upon by the resident Einsteins.
I travel to the beat of a different drum (as the song goes) and some of my sarcasm flies over their heads at several hundreds of Kms/hour.
It has passed long before it sinks in and all they can revert to is verbal bullying. But, I'm a resilient type and can give as good as I get and manage to stay under Cindy's radar.
Just remember the old saying about arguing with fools, being dragged down to their level and being beaten by their experience. Heed that and you'll enjoy it here.
The Phantom
Thanks everyone for your input; however I think it's best to close this now. Although we welcome robust debate in this forum, we will not tolerate personal attacks. Please ensure that posts are positive and respectful.