Besides being more compact, the folding lotus flower wind shroud reflects the heat up to the cooking surface so it's more efficient. I've just tested it boiling the kettle and it's noticeably faster than the old one
Just make sure those maggots aren't on a hot chop mate.
Might look into one then. Cooker not maggot.
Ondabeach said
12:18 PM May 26, 2015
lol... they're high in protein don'tcha know
hako said
01:24 PM May 26, 2015
At a guess I'd say that if you wrapped aluminium foil around the splash tray on the banned cooker it would be every bit as safe as the lotus one. Is the new one very stable? (feet in pic don't seem flat).
Certainly would take up less space.
Regards
Ondabeach said
02:55 PM May 26, 2015
Yeah Denis, but I wouldn't even bother with the tinfoil mate, there's nothing wrong with the units that got banned. Any piece of equipment can be dangerous if misused... just another case of a loose nut behind the wheel.
The feet on the little stove just needed a bit of tweaking with the pliers, it's plenty sturdy enough for what it's meant for, which is a skillet or kettle. I won't be putting a 20 litre camp oven on there... that's the kind of idiocy that got the other one banned... not that I'm throwing mine away.
I still actually prefer the old style for cooking breakfast for example, but the little one knocks it out of the park for a quick cuppa.
Thanks Steve, I'll continue to use our banned unit as well but might get one of the lotus ones for tent camping.
Regards
Aus-Kiwi said
04:48 AM May 27, 2015
Could borrow mine? Not too
Sure if she would approve ??
Bruce and Bev said
01:22 PM May 27, 2015
Ive been using the single burner cooker to the right of Steves pic for about 15 years now. On our current trip East, we forgot to pack it and then they were all banned and all you could buy with the gas cannisters.
Then in a country town, they had a great pile of them. I asked why they were selling them when they had been withdrawn (NSW) and was told that this particular model wasn't on the withdrawn list and was safe to use.
Bought it ($20) and looks just like the one we have back at home. We just don't use it in our 'van and don't use an oversized frypan or pot so that heat and flame is deflected downwards onto the canister.
So far - all good
Ondabeach said
01:46 PM May 27, 2015
Yep, you'd be a mug to throw it away... or to stop using it for that matter.
They're still for sale in the US, the UK and most likely the rest of the world as well. It's only us Aussies and Kiwis that are too stupid not to blow ourselves up, and need our politicians to treat us like babies
Cheers, Steve.
PeterD said
05:43 PM May 27, 2015
I was talking to the staff at Kangaroo Tent City this morning. They were claiming they have seen a new Gasmate model that has been going through type approval. It has some additional safety features. They expect it to be on the market in a couple of months or so.
Bruce and Bev said
07:14 PM May 27, 2015
Hey Peter. Yeah - I reckon the one I bought recently was non-approved and therefore "not safe", but was identical to the ones we've been using since our children were kids (and they have kids now). We are just more careful with them - maybe the cannisters are not as good as they were, but we just keep the heat and flames off the tanks
grahamg said
11:17 AM May 28, 2015
looks like you have all bases covered, see you have a 2 burner stove, the old single burner and a new lotus stove.
Ondabeach said
11:29 AM May 30, 2015
But of course... how else can I make coffee, toast, scrambled eggs and bacon at the same time
zuby said
07:14 AM Jun 1, 2015
Are these cookers approved in Australia?
Why I ask is that I see on ebay all these cookers come from China, England Philippines etc but none are sold from Australia.
I am still using my banned Primus one as it has been good for many years. I just make sure we use it outside so we can vacate quickly if anything does happen. I hope some new approved models are released soon.
Also do you think the gas cylinder supply could dry up since no new propane cookers are being sold?
-- Edited by zuby on Monday 1st of June 2015 07:15:10 AM
-- Edited by zuby on Monday 1st of June 2015 07:16:01 AM
Ondabeach said
07:46 AM Jun 1, 2015
Hi Zuby, I can only assume they're approved because mine came through customs no problem. But since most of us are still using the 'banned' ones, all I care is that I have it now. The butane canisters are used in many other devices, such as heaters, brulee torches etc, which are all still being sold here, so I don't think there'll be any problem with their continued availability.
I'd say that within a few months at most, either the old ones will be re-approved, or there will be new approved models available. I can't see the Chinese leaving a gaping hole in any market unfulfilled for too long
oldtrack123 said
12:10 PM Jun 1, 2015
Ondabeach wrote:
Hi Zuby, I can only assume they're approved because mine came through customs no problem. But since most of us are still using the 'banned' ones, all I care is that I have it now. The butane canisters are used in many other devices, such as heaters, brulee torches etc, which are all still being sold here, so I don't think there'll be any problem with their continued availability.
months at most, either the old ones will be re-approved, or there will be new approved models available. I can't see the Chinese leaving a gaping hole in any market unfulfilled for too long
Hi
Sorry to inform you that getting through customs means absolutely nothing as far as meeting Aus Standards are concerned
That is not their job !
The only indication is having An Aus approval number
All the crap that gets recalled came through customs, some with absolutely NO APPROVALS
That is the perils of Ebay buying.
The whole situation is a mess & has led to deaths!!
If your stove is prior to the recall dates it should be OK
That is why the dates are given
It covers BATCHs that are known too or believed to have problems.
Physical similarity does not mean a thing
It is the correct function of the installed protection device that is the problem [not that it is missing]
There are no problems with any canisters, have not been recalled or a banned from sale
PeterQ
It
PeterD said
12:32 PM Jun 1, 2015
zuby wrote:
I am still using my banned Primus one as it has been good for many years.
Is your stove one of the "lunch box" types that uses a gas canister that looks a bit like a pressure pack can for fly spray etc? I have been through the Primus USA site and they are not mentioned there. If it does not use the gas canisters then it is still approved. Have a look through this site and tell us what type stove you have.
Ondabeach said
01:06 PM Jun 1, 2015
Peter, I'd say Primus have taken the butane burners off their website until they source approved one. Here's a link to one, though I read 'out of stock' to mean withdrawn from sale.
I ordered one of these little cookers as an alternative to the banned units, and it's an absolute ripper
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/400483557884?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Besides being more compact, the folding lotus flower wind shroud reflects the heat up to the cooking surface so it's more efficient. I've just tested it boiling the kettle and it's noticeably faster than the old one
Cheers, Steve.
Steve, I like the look of that little unit for sure however there is a BUT.
There is NO protection for the canister at all apart from what you call the "Lotus Flower" and Looking at it, it would get pretty hot.
Obviously it meets OZ standards as I am sure you would not have got it.
I remember you talking about that a week or so ago and ordering it.
Now your better half can sit back and enjoy a nice wine while you cook the evening meal on YOUR new toy
No buts about it Dougy, canister stays as cold as a maggot
I have a laser thermometer and the highest temp I got on the canister was 34 deg.
Sounds good then Steve.
Just make sure those maggots aren't on a hot chop mate.
Might look into one then. Cooker not maggot.
lol... they're high in protein don'tcha know
Certainly would take up less space.
Regards
Yeah Denis, but I wouldn't even bother with the tinfoil mate, there's nothing wrong with the units that got banned. Any piece of equipment can be dangerous if misused... just another case of a loose nut behind the wheel.
The feet on the little stove just needed a bit of tweaking with the pliers, it's plenty sturdy enough for what it's meant for, which is a skillet or kettle. I won't be putting a 20 litre camp oven on there... that's the kind of idiocy that got the other one banned... not that I'm throwing mine away.
I still actually prefer the old style for cooking breakfast for example, but the little one knocks it out of the park for a quick cuppa.
Cheers, Steve.
Regards
Sure if she would approve ??
Then in a country town, they had a great pile of them. I asked why they were selling them when they had been withdrawn (NSW) and was told that this particular model wasn't on the withdrawn list and was safe to use.
Bought it ($20) and looks just like the one we have back at home. We just don't use it in our 'van and don't use an oversized frypan or pot so that heat and flame is deflected downwards onto the canister.
So far - all good
Yep, you'd be a mug to throw it away... or to stop using it for that matter.
They're still for sale in the US, the UK and most likely the rest of the world as well. It's only us Aussies and Kiwis that are too stupid not to blow ourselves up, and need our politicians to treat us like babies
Cheers, Steve.
But of course... how else can I make coffee, toast, scrambled eggs and bacon at the same time
Are these cookers approved in Australia?
Why I ask is that I see on ebay all these cookers come from China, England Philippines etc but none are sold from Australia.
I am still using my banned Primus one as it has been good for many years. I just make sure we use it outside so we can vacate quickly if anything does happen. I hope some new approved models are released soon.
Also do you think the gas cylinder supply could dry up since no new propane cookers are being sold?
-- Edited by zuby on Monday 1st of June 2015 07:15:10 AM
-- Edited by zuby on Monday 1st of June 2015 07:16:01 AM
Hi Zuby, I can only assume they're approved because mine came through customs no problem. But since most of us are still using the 'banned' ones, all I care is that I have it now. The butane canisters are used in many other devices, such as heaters, brulee torches etc, which are all still being sold here, so I don't think there'll be any problem with their continued availability.
I'd say that within a few months at most, either the old ones will be re-approved, or there will be new approved models available. I can't see the Chinese leaving a gaping hole in any market unfulfilled for too long
Hi
Sorry to inform you that getting through customs means absolutely nothing as far as meeting Aus Standards are concerned
That is not their job !
The only indication is having An Aus approval number
All the crap that gets recalled came through customs, some with absolutely NO APPROVALS
That is the perils of Ebay buying.
The whole situation is a mess & has led to deaths!!
If your stove is prior to the recall dates it should be OK
That is why the dates are given
It covers BATCHs that are known too or believed to have problems.
Physical similarity does not mean a thing
It is the correct function of the installed protection device that is the problem [not that it is missing]
There are no problems with any canisters, have not been recalled or a banned from sale
PeterQ
It
Is your stove one of the "lunch box" types that uses a gas canister that looks a bit like a pressure pack can for fly spray etc? I have been through the Primus USA site and they are not mentioned there. If it does not use the gas canisters then it is still approved. Have a look through this site and tell us what type stove you have.
Peter, I'd say Primus have taken the butane burners off their website until they source approved one. Here's a link to one, though I read 'out of stock' to mean withdrawn from sale.
http://campingandoutdoorsonline.com.au/products/primus-butane-stove
HI
Just to help clear the air
These are the BRAND & Product models that are suspect .
If your's is not one of those listed ,it can be considered OK
Adventuridge
509245
Auscrown
AD90
Bai Hui Portable Camping Stove
N/A
Campmaster
CM2200S
Campmaster
CM2250
Campmaster
CM2270
Companion
COMP523
Excalibur
BC1080
Five Star
MS-2000
Gasmaster
BC1080
Gasmate
Plus MS-2000
Gasmate
BC1080
Gasmate
PC1070
Gasmate
PC2080
Home Essentials
BDZ-168
Home Essentials
BDZ-163S
House Brand
509245
Jackeroo
BC1080
Jackeroo
PL-121
Jumbuck
BC1080
Kookaburra
ST0990
My Collection
N/A
Oztrail
OZ2160
Primus
2240
Primus
2271
Primus
TLB-102L
Red Desert
509230
Red Stone
N/A
Spinifex
7027612
Spinifex
90024574
*Cooker image from NSW Office of Fair Trading web site