How's your math.... I had a 10 Lt container with about 1.5 Lt's in it, I filled it to the 10 Lt mark, then looked at the bowser and it read 11.36 Lt. Luckily I was only topping up the gerry can, console opperator and the manager say the bowsers are correct and I had to pay the full price. I've filled this container many times from empty and the 10 lt mark is spot on, so how can you get 12.86 Lt into a 10 Lt container????
Answer: Just go to the Shell Roadhouse at Karratha.
Izabarack said
05:33 AM May 16, 2015
I get your distress, but, in the absense of a certified measure, you have to rely on the Weights and Measures guys to ensure the pumps are accurate. I have four ten litre containers. Different styles and heat of the day contribute to being able to put up to 13 litres in one of them.
Iza
rockylizard said
08:43 AM May 16, 2015
Gday...
Very annoying .. but not much point of complaining to people here - all we can do is give sympathyt ... a phone call to the Weights & Measures mob in WA would be more productive.
They are supposed to be doing regular, random checks of such things. Perhaps they need to program a visit for a check/audit.
Cheers - John
Phil C said
10:11 AM May 16, 2015
I pulled into a servo at Murray Bridge yesterday to fill up, did the one liter test. Cost per liter was $1.27 one liter was $1.28. Hhhmmmmmm. Mentioned it to the operator and he looked at me oddly and didn't have an answer. Told him I would do the servo in for ripping people off.
Cheers
Gundog said
12:12 PM May 16, 2015
Phil C wrote:
I pulled into a servo at Murray Bridge yesterday to fill up, did the one liter test. Cost per liter was $1.27 one liter was $1.28. Hhhmmmmmm. Mentioned it to the operator and he looked at me oddly and didn't have an answer. Told him I would do the servo in for ripping people off.
Cheers
Phil you have fallen for the big dill trick.
Have a look on the pump it display's the minimum Qty to be dispensed, if you want to do a proper check dispense 5+ litres stop at every litre and see the result. Team members are trained to listen with inflaming the situation, If you said to me "I will do the servo in for ripping people off" my response would have along the lines of " I would be quite happy for you to contact the revelent authority. would you like me to give you their contact details" All through our conversation I would be thinking " ah just another Clown who forgot to where his clown suit " you can substitute an expletives or descriptive adjective for clown
Have just retired from the fuel industry almost all the mainstream brands have their pumps calibrated twice a year.
Re: Fuel containers pariicually the plastic ones the 10 or whatever litre mark is only a guestimate it's in the die od the blow moulding machine also can vary with the thickness or density of the material used during manufacture. As suggested depending on the day and the age of the container as to how much can go in it.
As I said being in the industry I heard every BS reason why our pumps ripping you off, believe me its not in their best interest to even try.
-- Edited by Gundog on Saturday 16th of May 2015 12:22:58 PM
-- Edited by Gundog on Saturday 16th of May 2015 12:23:34 PM
03_Troopy said
12:54 PM May 16, 2015
madaboutled wrote:
How's your math.... I had a 10 Lt container with about 1.5 Lt's in it, I filled it to the 10 Lt mark, then looked at the bowser and it read 11.36 Lt. Luckily I was only topping up the gerry can, console opperator and the manager say the bowsers are correct and I had to pay the full price. I've filled this container many times from empty and the 10 lt mark is spot on, so how can you get 12.86 Lt into a 10 Lt container????
Answer: Just go to the Shell Roadhouse at Karratha.
Seems like a fair bit of difference, but I know that if you close up an empty plastic jerrycan on a cold morning, then leave it in the sun for a while, it swells enough to fit at least 11 and a half litres in it. There was a docco on telly a while back where kids in one of the Northern African countries were buying blackmarket fuel from dodgy tanker drivers and reselling it at a profit to vehicle drivers. They'd get a large plastic container with a small amount of fuel in it and seal it up. Then hold the plastic bottle over an open fire to heat it and swell the size up to 30% larger than it was originally. That way they could fit more fuel in it.
PeterInSa said
09:21 PM May 16, 2015
Steve,
Was it from a Hi Flow Pump?
Peter
madaboutled said
09:55 PM May 16, 2015
Thanks Guys, I hear what most are saying about swelling of containers and can see your point, but I've filled that same container on a 35 degree + day up to the 10 Lt mark and it only took the ten Lt's. The other day when I filled it was late in the afternoon and less than 25 degrees at the time and the container didn't & still doesn't look to be expanded. This one is going into the tank in the next couple of days, so want I might do to satisfy my and possibly your curiosity is measure it out into another 5Lt container (metal) that I have an see if it's 2 or more. Will let you know the results.
@ Peter, Pump 1 was Unleaded 91, not Hi-Flow Diesel. Roadworx has a 302 V8 petrol in her, and only a 68 lt tank which in ideal conditions will get about 400Ks. But get a head wind that drops to about 320 K's. So we carry 10 lt's all the time as back up on long stretches.
gold dandelion said
09:55 PM May 17, 2015
a bit harsh Gundog.....
Phil C said
01:44 PM May 19, 2015
Hi gunny, yeah perhaps I'm a dill and fallen for the 3 card trick, will try 10 litres next fill. Still I must say, if it's happening we are being ripped off by stealth.
Cheers
madaboutled said
01:06 PM May 21, 2015
Just an update, I only got a few drops over 10 Lt's out of my container, so pumps at the servo must have been pumping fumes.
How's your math.... I had a 10 Lt container with about 1.5 Lt's in it, I filled it to the 10 Lt mark, then looked at the bowser and it read 11.36 Lt. Luckily I was only topping up the gerry can, console opperator and the manager say the bowsers are correct and I had to pay the full price. I've filled this container many times from empty and the 10 lt mark is spot on, so how can you get 12.86 Lt into a 10 Lt container????
Answer: Just go to the Shell Roadhouse at Karratha.
Iza
Gday...
Very annoying .. but not much point of complaining to people here - all we can do is give sympathyt ... a phone call to the Weights & Measures mob in WA would be more productive.
They are supposed to be doing regular, random checks of such things. Perhaps they need to program a visit for a check/audit.
Cheers - John
Cheers
Phil you have fallen for the big dill trick.
Have a look on the pump it display's the minimum Qty to be dispensed, if you want to do a proper check dispense 5+ litres stop at every litre and see the result. Team members are trained to listen with inflaming the situation, If you said to me "I will do the servo in for ripping people off" my response would have along the lines of " I would be quite happy for you to contact the revelent authority. would you like me to give you their contact details" All through our conversation I would be thinking " ah just another Clown who forgot to where his clown suit " you can substitute an expletives or descriptive adjective for clown
Have just retired from the fuel industry almost all the mainstream brands have their pumps calibrated twice a year.
Re: Fuel containers pariicually the plastic ones the 10 or whatever litre mark is only a guestimate it's in the die od the blow moulding machine also can vary with the thickness or density of the material used during manufacture. As suggested depending on the day and the age of the container as to how much can go in it.
As I said being in the industry I heard every BS reason why our pumps ripping you off, believe me its not in their best interest to even try.
-- Edited by Gundog on Saturday 16th of May 2015 12:22:58 PM
-- Edited by Gundog on Saturday 16th of May 2015 12:23:34 PM
Seems like a fair bit of difference, but I know that if you close up an empty plastic jerrycan on a cold morning, then leave it in the sun for a while, it swells enough to fit at least 11 and a half litres in it. There was a docco on telly a while back where kids in one of the Northern African countries were buying blackmarket fuel from dodgy tanker drivers and reselling it at a profit to vehicle drivers. They'd get a large plastic container with a small amount of fuel in it and seal it up. Then hold the plastic bottle over an open fire to heat it and swell the size up to 30% larger than it was originally. That way they could fit more fuel in it.
Was it from a Hi Flow Pump?
Peter
Thanks Guys, I hear what most are saying about swelling of containers and can see your point, but I've filled that same container on a 35 degree + day up to the 10 Lt mark and it only took the ten Lt's. The other day when I filled it was late in the afternoon and less than 25 degrees at the time and the container didn't & still doesn't look to be expanded. This one is going into the tank in the next couple of days, so want I might do to satisfy my and possibly your curiosity is measure it out into another 5Lt container (metal) that I have an see if it's 2 or more. Will let you know the results.
@ Peter, Pump 1 was Unleaded 91, not Hi-Flow Diesel. Roadworx has a 302 V8 petrol in her, and only a 68 lt tank which in ideal conditions will get about 400Ks. But get a head wind that drops to about 320 K's. So we carry 10 lt's all the time as back up on long stretches.
Cheers
Just an update, I only got a few drops over 10 Lt's out of my container, so pumps at the servo must have been pumping fumes.