Does any one know the requirements for gas regulators in motor-homes in Queensland, I have heard the old caravan type regulators are now illegal. Do the new type regulators have a built in cut off or two stage regulation or what. I hope to save the cost of a gas fitter to bring mine up to spec. thanks in advance for your help.
Cheers
Gemmybob
oldtrack123 said
07:47 PM May 9, 2015
gemmybob wrote:
Does any one know the requirements for gas regulators in motor-homes in Queensland, I have heard the old caravan type regulators are now illegal. Do the new type regulators have a built in cut off or two stage regulation or what. I hope to save the cost of a gas fitter to bring mine up to spec. thanks in advance for your help.
Cheers
Gemmybob
HI You are required to use alicensed gas fitter to to make such changes & bring it up to SPEC/current regulations
It will be a part of the permanent piping
It is classed as licensed work.
However you can continue to legally use your present set up
The requirement to change only applies on changeof registration or renewal of an expired rego
PeterQ
The same regulations apply to ALL" transportable structures."
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 9th of May 2015 07:49:57 PM
Aus-Kiwi said
09:29 PM May 9, 2015
Is it a screw on reg like the flex hoses ?
oldtrack123 said
09:35 PM May 9, 2015
It will be a part of the permanent piping!!!
& FIXED to the wall
PeterQ
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 9th of May 2015 09:37:18 PM
gemmybob said
10:36 PM May 9, 2015
OK, so the new regulator is a permanent fixture and part of the pipe work unlike the old replaceable one, now I understand the need to use a gas fitter. But in what way is the new regulator better or different. I am still interested learning about the change, one assumes the new regulations are for a reason and one hopes, an improvement. Cheers Gemmybob.
-- Edited by gemmybob on Saturday 9th of May 2015 10:44:40 PM
oldtrack123 said
11:18 PM May 9, 2015
Yes
It is a two stage regulator, but is not/ does not have a gas fuse.
Two stage from what I understand is for higher output where more pressure is required over distance .. As in cylinders at home etc... The second (stage) reg in further up stream closer to appliances lowering pressure more.. Although this isn't the case here ... Being two stage makes it more fail safe...
gemmybob said
03:07 PM May 10, 2015
Ah, I now see thanks all for your help Gemmybob
PS= Just been talking to a friend who had one fitted last week, she paid $168 for the part and $40 to have it fitted, nice work if you can get it, hey.
-- Edited by gemmybob on Sunday 10th of May 2015 04:15:49 PM
hako said
08:29 PM May 10, 2015
I'll bet 99% of the regulators bought by private individuals for vans are fitted by DIY. Same with your home BBQ which has a single stage reg. When you buy them there no advice that you need a licensed gasfitter to instal them and who is going to ask.
gemmybob said
10:46 PM May 10, 2015
There's no mystery to doing the job, so I can't say I blame DIY'ers for having a go, because at the rates gas fitters charge, they must be better off than doctors.
oldtrack123 said
11:01 PM May 10, 2015
hako wrote:
I'll bet 99% of the regulators bought by private individuals for vans are fitted by DIY. Same with your home BBQ which has a single stage reg. When you buy them there no advice that you need a licensed gasfitter to instal them and who is going to ask.
HI Hako
I agree,
IF one knows what is required under the latest regulations
How to mount ,where to mount & a few other points, then it would be ok for many , provided they leak tested & then ensured the regulator was giving the right pressure
But how many KNOW those reguations Or have the equipment to check the pressure??
It is a different matter to a regulator on a bottle for the barbi
PeterQ
Pejay said
07:57 AM May 11, 2015
On looking at some camper trailers last week we were told that a gas hose over 1.2m was now illegal in Queensland. Anyone heard anything like this? You can buy the longer ones still in caravan/camping stores - doesn't make sense to us.
adrian foley said
07:25 PM May 12, 2015
When alteration to any pipe work or appliance is carried out it must be by a liscenced gasfitter.A new data work plate has to be attached by gasfitter with his details etc.Remember the safety aspects and insurance ramafications if you decide to do it your self.regards Adrian.
adrian foley said
07:30 PM May 12, 2015
Hoses can be longer but must have an aga approval number,tese regulations pertain to all of Australia not just queensland.Regards Adrian.
adrian foley said
07:44 PM May 12, 2015
Is it aga tagged and approved?
adrian foley said
07:52 PM May 12, 2015
There are such things as public liability,licences X 2,logging of jobs for dept of natural resourses and energy.purchasing of compliance books,purchasing ofnew data plates for affixing these days plus all the other overheads for the running of a business.
Possum3 said
11:13 AM May 13, 2015
Agree with AF - Insurance companies would wipe you like a dirty b*m on any claim even if not caused by "illegal" plumbing - not to mention any criminal charges that would certainly be made if any person injured.
Can be done by any licenced gas fitter doesn't have to be done by caravan/mobile home "specialist". normal charge rate is about $120/hr (unless you help - when rates double).
hako said
10:10 AM May 14, 2015
Last time I changed my regulator (dual type) and the hose I bought the regulator at a camping shop and the hose at a gas appliance shop - both in smallish towns. Staff at both shop knew specifically what I needed and the gas shop even applied the correct PTFE tape to the end of the hose for me plus some for the regulator.
No way would I have taken it to a gas fitter for 3 reasons 1 - cost....2 - time.....3 - it's a simple job.
If you can change a tap washer at home then you should have the skills to change the gas hose on your van. Both are illegal by the way.
I often wonder why you can buy over the counter every electrical, gas and plumbing device available to be illegally fitted DIY but you never see guns or ammunition freely available to all and sundry.
I may be naive but but to me that indicates authorities turn a blind eye to such things.
Good Luck.
oldtrack123 said
04:02 PM May 14, 2015
hako wrote:
Last time I changed my regulator (dual type) and the hose I bought the regulator at a camping shop and the hose at a gas appliance shop - both in smallish towns. Staff at both shop knew specifically what I needed and the gas shop even applied the correct PTFE tape to the end of the hose for me plus some for the regulator. No way would I have taken it to a gas fitter for 3 reasons 1 - cost....2 - time.....3 - it's a simple job. If you can change a tap washer at home then you should have the skills to change the gas hose on your van. Both are illegal by the way. I often wonder why you can buy over the counter every electrical, gas and plumbing device available to be illegally fitted DIY but you never see guns or ammunition freely available to all and sundry.
{1]I may be naive but but to me that indicates authorities turn a blind eye to such things.
Good Luck.
HI Dennis
[1]Until something goes wrong & you get caught
Just like ALL the elecrical gear that you can buy @ Bunnings etc
Does any one know the requirements for gas regulators in motor-homes in Queensland, I have heard the old caravan type regulators are now illegal. Do the new type regulators have a built in cut off or two stage regulation or what. I hope to save the cost of a gas fitter to bring mine up to spec. thanks in advance for your help.
Cheers
Gemmybob
HI You are required to use alicensed gas fitter to to make such changes & bring it up to SPEC/current regulations
It will be a part of the permanent piping
It is classed as licensed work.
However you can continue to legally use your present set up
The requirement to change only applies on changeof registration or renewal of an expired rego
PeterQ
The same regulations apply to ALL" transportable structures."
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 9th of May 2015 07:49:57 PM
It will be a part of the permanent piping!!!
& FIXED to the wall
PeterQ
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 9th of May 2015 09:37:18 PM
OK, so the new regulator is a permanent fixture and part of the pipe work unlike the old replaceable one, now I understand the need to use a gas fitter. But in what way is the new regulator better or different. I am still interested learning about the change, one assumes the new regulations are for a reason and one hopes, an improvement.
Cheers
Gemmybob.
-- Edited by gemmybob on Saturday 9th of May 2015 10:44:40 PM
Yes
It is a two stage regulator, but is not/ does not have a gas fuse.
PeterQ
I just bought one in Bundaberg.
$68.
Ah, I now see thanks all for your help
Gemmybob
PS= Just been talking to a friend who had one fitted last week, she paid $168 for the part and $40 to have it fitted, nice work if you can get it, hey.
-- Edited by gemmybob on Sunday 10th of May 2015 04:15:49 PM
HI Hako
I agree,
IF one knows what is required under the latest regulations
How to mount ,where to mount & a few other points, then it would be ok for many , provided they leak tested & then ensured the regulator was giving the right pressure
But how many KNOW those reguations Or have the equipment to check the pressure??
It is a different matter to a regulator on a bottle for the barbi
PeterQ
When alteration to any pipe work or appliance is carried out it must be by a liscenced gasfitter.A new data work plate has to be attached by gasfitter with his details etc.Remember the safety aspects and insurance ramafications if you decide to do it your self.regards Adrian.
Hoses can be longer but must have an aga approval number,tese regulations pertain to all of Australia not just queensland.Regards Adrian.
Is it aga tagged and approved?
There are such things as public liability,licences X 2,logging of jobs for dept of natural resourses and energy.purchasing of compliance books,purchasing ofnew data plates for affixing these days plus all the other overheads for the running of a business.
Can be done by any licenced gas fitter doesn't have to be done by caravan/mobile home "specialist". normal charge rate is about $120/hr (unless you help - when rates double).
No way would I have taken it to a gas fitter for 3 reasons 1 - cost....2 - time.....3 - it's a simple job.
If you can change a tap washer at home then you should have the skills to change the gas hose on your van. Both are illegal by the way.
I often wonder why you can buy over the counter every electrical, gas and plumbing device available to be illegally fitted DIY but you never see guns or ammunition freely available to all and sundry.
I may be naive but but to me that indicates authorities turn a blind eye to such things.
Good Luck.
HI Dennis
[1]Until something goes wrong & you get caught
Just like ALL the elecrical gear that you can buy @ Bunnings etc
PeterQ