Just watched a YouTube video (below) on carrying a gun in your RV (USA) and apparently 40% of RV'ers do indeed carry a gun! I remember back in the 50's some people in Australia would carry a .22 when camping so they could bag a bunny for the pot but I think over there they shoot for a different reason.
I think "Over there" with their loose gun laws you unfortunately have a greater chance of being the bunny in the bag.
Hey Jim said
07:08 PM May 1, 2015
Hi Denis,
It not a problem if you are a responsible firearms owner and comply with each state,s firearms regulations.
I have owned / and use longarms ( rifles) for 40years.
If you are traveling through each state / territory you must apply and carry that permit to transit through that( state )with each nominated firearm on your form. That does not give you the right to use / discharge any firearm on private or Crown land without prior written permission. Plus a further separate payment to use in that state is paid and is a requirement, required.
There is no one permit to cover all of the above at this point in time.
To do so without Can land you in hot water with Fines of $14,000 / or two years imprisonment, lost of all firearms for 10 years.
Some years back, just inside the WA -SA boarder the WA Police had a full team set up in Nomansland on the EYre HWY. ALL vehicles / Trucks stopped and checked by dog squad. You are asked first if you are carring any firearms or contraban. We answered yes to firearms and produced all permits and displayed all. Not a problem. We saw first hand a orange Combi van. been stripted. One Twelve guage shot gun with two shells up the spout ready to use. We never heard the outcome.But both males were in hand cuffs.
We don't talk about our sport around camps. BUT others do, and for all the wrong reasons for doing so. These individuals wreck it for the genuine folks.
Be warned its not if, but when you WILL be caught and deserve same.
Hey Jim
Dougwe said
07:23 PM May 1, 2015
Many many moons ago, I like many other young males carried a.22 rifle, a 303 rifle and a under over shotgun in the back of the PV. They were in a rack I made within a fixed locked box behind the front seat. The ammunition were all locked away separate and away from the rifles. I did a lot of hunting those days.
As soon as my first child was born I handed them in to the local sherif. The rifles that is, not the child.
Bruce and Bev said
07:36 PM May 1, 2015
I here I was thinking you used bows and arrows.............
Dougwe said
07:50 PM May 1, 2015
That's now B&B
keiron said
09:25 PM May 1, 2015
I am not surprised that many travellers carry a firearm, but my question would be how do they secure such a weapon, bearing in mind the regulations concerning the safe storage of guns and ammunition.
I ask this question as I am soon to leave for Qld outback and need to secure my .22 cal and O/U 12#. Genuine gun owner responses please.
KB
Cruising Cruze said
09:46 PM May 1, 2015
Hi Keiron
any small safe will do if it is only a 22 hand gun as long you keep your ammunition some where else
for rifles you can get an standing safe like this :
I've never understood why people cart guns around the place and I guess I never will but this at least demonstrates that Australia is not the only place on earth with different rules for doing the same thing depending on where you are.
Regards
Dave
madaboutled said
09:59 PM May 1, 2015
Dougwe wrote:
As soon as my first child was born I handed them in to the local sherif. The rifles that is, not the child.
In hindsight, was that a good move????
Just kidding!.
keiron said
10:07 PM May 1, 2015
Thanks for the advice. My .22 cal is a longarm, and the 12# O/U is a double barreled shotgun.
As for your advice regards the Safes, I have one at home where I do store my weapons securely.
On the road however, it is virtually impossible to secure a safe well enough to prevent it being removed with the guns inside.
If you are a genuine licenced owner you would appreciate that safes need to be secured with no less than 4 x "dyna bolt" anchors into a Masonary / Brick wall and be secured through the bottom also. Difficult to achieve in a caravan I think. My question again,,,,,,how do the travellers store tjem "legally", OR, do they just take the risk?????????????
keiron said
10:15 PM May 1, 2015
I don't know why, but let me explain. Please.
I am a target shooter, little paper targets with the .22 cal rifle, and little orange colored clay discs when I shoot "skeet", "down the line", "Trap" etc.
Your lack of understanding as to why someone would carry a gun is, I expect, based on an ignorant assumption that I must use it for killing things.
Do you also consider anyone carrying a baseball / cricket bat to be a thug or up to no-good ??
Get real Dave, and get educated please. KB
KFT said
10:16 PM May 1, 2015
G'day keiron
you should look up your state firearms registry or even the SSAA and search for transport requirements.
from memory the requirements for transporting firearms are less onerous than the home storage ones.
carry then in the vehicle not the caravan as the caravan "may" be deemed as a residence.
let us know what you find
frank
keiron said
11:05 PM May 1, 2015
Thanks Frank, 't was good to get some un-emotional and reasoned advice. I did as you suggested and have posted an extract below.
Thanks again and travel safe. KB
What legislative requirements are there in relation to transportation of category C, D & H firearms?
Category C, D & H firearms must be conveyed unloaded, with the ammunition kept in a locked container separate
from the firearms. They must be rendered temporarily incapable of being fired (eg by removal of the bolt/firing
mechanism or the use of trigger locks) or must be kept in a locked container that is properly secured to, or is within
the vehicle
What are the requirements for transporting Category A & B firearms? Firearms Registry
Unlike the transportation of category C, D & H firearms and commercial
transportation, there are no legislative requirements for the transportation of
category A & B firearms.
However the general rule applied in section 39 of the Act applies and the
Commissioner has determined that 'all reasonable precautions' have been met
if category A & B firearms are conveyed in the same manner as category C, D
& H firearms.
NOTE: At no time should a firearm be left stored unattended in a motor vehicle
unless the firearms are stored in accordance with the requirements of category
C, D & H firearms and no other alternative safe storage is available.
KFT said
11:11 PM May 1, 2015
No worries Keiron
I transport mine in a locked steel box(read toolbox cause I had one) secured to the vehicle(car) with a chain and padlock. This has satisfied the inspectors on all previous occasions. I also fit trigger locks.
frank
hako said
11:19 PM May 1, 2015
keiron wrote:
I am not surprised that many travellers carry a firearm, but my question would be how do they secure such a weapon, bearing in mind the regulations concerning the safe storage of guns and ammunition.
I ask this question as I am soon to leave for Qld outback and need to secure my .22 cal and O/U 12#. Genuine gun owner responses please.
KB
This link in another forum explains it. Apparently you need permission from each state etc (from a quick read) so for a traveller???
Have you considered making a thin metal box under the lounge ( or similar) bench seat ?
Brackets to hold stock / barrel & chain through trigger guard.
All secured with a key lockable lid under the cushions.
The Mate who bought my trike goes to the range with a metal locking lid on a trailer towed behind the trike.
The trailer is departmented for different firearms & ammo.
He has been quized by officer Plod and considered compliant. ( Firearms wise. He tends to make their life awkward.)
Desert Dweller said
05:37 PM May 2, 2015
Back in the 80's we used to carry a 12 gauge shotgun & a .22 rifle. Shot & ate a few bunnies on our travels. Kept the shotty under the mattress of our camper trailer at night loaded with a cracker with the breach open. We camped in many remote locations with no-one else around. Good insurance but never needed it thank goodness. Haven't got them anymore.
03_Troopy said
07:27 PM May 2, 2015
I'm still looking for something to store my 40mm rounds in...
Baz421 said
07:31 PM May 2, 2015
03_Troopy wrote:
I'm still looking for something to store my 40mm rounds in...
Ah your 40mm trump my measly 30mm,,, BUT I have a nice Canberra starter cartridge case I still use for old coins.
I had to give up a practice 11lb (I think it was 11lb) BDU dropped on Saltash Range in the 70's as anyone could "mistake" it for a live round,,bah. It was great doorstop.
Myrlin said
07:37 PM May 2, 2015
I'd love to have a good air rifle with telescopic sights. As a tragic animal lover it would be shooting nothing but a spinning target that I've seen for sale on eBay. It seems like a lot of paperwork so I haven't pursued it as yet but follow this thread with interest.
hako said
07:37 PM May 2, 2015
I suppose an unanswered question re carrying guns is:- "has it ever saved your bacon?"
That is a very subjective question!!!
KFT said
07:43 PM May 2, 2015
Denis, I really don't think that is why people in Australia carry firearms.
I am a sporting shooter, my thing is paper targets or feral pests.
Shooting people I leave to those with the permission to do it
frank
03_Troopy said
07:48 PM May 2, 2015
Haha.. I live about 5Km from that Saltash range, and my young bloke and his mate (unbeknownst to me) used to go and look for ammo and ordinance around there.
My reference to the 40mm was from when I was an online game fanatic a few years back. I used to play a game called "Resistance: Fall of Man" and my favourite armoury was an automatic rifle with a 40mm grenade launcher, for med to long range, and a Spas12 for close in work.
RobandFlip said
08:27 PM May 2, 2015
When we decided to buy our Dodge Ram from the states, we also picked a heavy duty Leer canopy made for the Rams and a third of the price of a similar canopy in Oz. Anyway, I looked at the "Leer Locker" that can be purchased as an extra and thought it would be handy for securing stuff we didn't want to leave loose in the tub. The locker attaches to the inside roof of the canopy and is dual locked. It slides out and rests onto the tailgate when open. We are well aware of its' original purpose and consequently has been a conversation piece from time to time. As we do not carry guns, it is amazing what else fits into this valuable space.
Cheers,
Robyn
chopit said
12:27 PM May 3, 2015
As there has been a bit of "straying from the path" on the subject I will add a bit more.
In the 70s we lived in a rural area. There was a hippie commune down the road & various members of such would visit.
I was shooting an air rifle in the yard. Had an empty tin laying on its side,open end facing me.
I was shooting at the inside of the tin and the tin would pop upright if hit in the "sweet spot".
A hippie guy wearing a sarong came over and asked if he could have a try.
I gave him a quick lesson on what to do. He squatted down for the shot.
He fired and the pellet bounced back out of the can,straight up the sarong & got him in the goolies.
Not hard enough to injure,just to sting. He yelped,fell back & handed me the air rifle.
His parting words were to the effect " Some higher power thinks he should never handle a gun. That was a warning."
Sheba said
07:32 PM May 3, 2015
Don't have one any more, but I would still like to be able to carry a .22 at least, to put animals dying in pain out of their misery humanely. Have had to find things to hit them over the head with to do the job before today, and I'd much rather do it with a quick clean shot thank you very much.
Cheers,
Sheba.
-- Edited by Sheba on Sunday 3rd of May 2015 07:35:02 PM
Baz421 said
09:00 PM May 3, 2015
Sheba wrote:
Don't have one any more, but I would still like to be able to carry a .22 at least, to put animals dying in pain out of their misery humanely. Have had to find things to hit them over the head with to do the job before today, and I'd much rather do it with a quick clean shot thank you very much.
Cheers,
Sheba.
-- Edited by Sheba on Sunday 3rd of May 2015 07:35:02 PM
Yeh I had to knock an eagle on the head in Central QLD a few years ago and he had over 2m wingspan, huge. I had to use a 1.8m long handed shovel and he knew it was coming and tried to move but he couldn't.
Wish I had my 22 with me.
Before you say why, he was starving and had a clearly broken wing, couldn't stand at all and was a mess on the side of the road.
Just watched a YouTube video (below) on carrying a gun in your RV (USA) and apparently 40% of RV'ers do indeed carry a gun! I remember back in the 50's some people in Australia would carry a .22 when camping so they could bag a bunny for the pot but I think over there they shoot for a different reason.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMJ4WxHIlT4
I think "Over there" with their loose gun laws you unfortunately have a greater chance of being the bunny in the bag.
Hi Denis,
It not a problem if you are a responsible firearms owner and comply with each state,s firearms regulations.
I have owned / and use longarms ( rifles) for 40years.
If you are traveling through each state / territory you must apply and carry that permit to transit through that( state )with each nominated firearm on your form. That does not give you the right to use / discharge any firearm on private or Crown land without prior written permission. Plus a further separate payment to use in that state is paid and is a requirement, required.
There is no one permit to cover all of the above at this point in time.
To do so without Can land you in hot water with Fines of $14,000 / or two years imprisonment, lost of all firearms for 10 years.
Some years back, just inside the WA -SA boarder the WA Police had a full team set up in Nomansland on the EYre HWY. ALL vehicles / Trucks stopped and checked by dog squad. You are asked first if you are carring any firearms or contraban. We answered yes to firearms and produced all permits and displayed all. Not a problem. We saw first hand a orange Combi van. been stripted. One Twelve guage shot gun with two shells up the spout ready to use. We never heard the outcome.But both males were in hand cuffs.
We don't talk about our sport around camps. BUT others do, and for all the wrong reasons for doing so. These individuals wreck it for the genuine folks.
Be warned its not if, but when you WILL be caught and deserve same.
Hey Jim
As soon as my first child was born I handed them in to the local sherif. The rifles that is, not the child.
I am not surprised that many travellers carry a firearm, but my question would be how do they secure such a weapon, bearing in mind the regulations concerning the safe storage of guns and ammunition.
I ask this question as I am soon to leave for Qld outback and need to secure my .22 cal and O/U 12#. Genuine gun owner responses please.
KB
Hi Keiron
any small safe will do if it is only a 22 hand gun as long you keep your ammunition some where else
for rifles you can get an standing safe like this :
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.XGun+Safe.TRS0&_nkw=Gun+Safe&_sacat=0
cheers John
Regards
Dave
In hindsight, was that a good move????
Just kidding!.
Thanks for the advice. My .22 cal is a longarm, and the 12# O/U is a double barreled shotgun.
As for your advice regards the Safes, I have one at home where I do store my weapons securely.
On the road however, it is virtually impossible to secure a safe well enough to prevent it being removed with the guns inside.
If you are a genuine licenced owner you would appreciate that safes need to be secured with no less than 4 x "dyna bolt" anchors into a Masonary / Brick wall and be secured through the bottom also. Difficult to achieve in a caravan I think. My question again,,,,,,how do the travellers store tjem "legally", OR, do they just take the risk?????????????
I don't know why, but let me explain. Please.
I am a target shooter, little paper targets with the .22 cal rifle, and little orange colored clay discs when I shoot "skeet", "down the line", "Trap" etc.
Your lack of understanding as to why someone would carry a gun is, I expect, based on an ignorant assumption that I must use it for killing things.
Do you also consider anyone carrying a baseball / cricket bat to be a thug or up to no-good ??
Get real Dave, and get educated please. KB
you should look up your state firearms registry or even the SSAA and search for transport requirements.
from memory the requirements for transporting firearms are less onerous than the home storage ones.
carry then in the vehicle not the caravan as the caravan "may" be deemed as a residence.
let us know what you find
frank
Thanks Frank, 't was good to get some un-emotional and reasoned advice. I did as you suggested and have posted an extract below.
Thanks again and travel safe. KB
What legislative requirements are there in relation to transportation of category C, D & H firearms?
Category C, D & H firearms must be conveyed unloaded, with the ammunition kept in a locked container separate
from the firearms. They must be rendered temporarily incapable of being fired (eg by removal of the bolt/firing
mechanism or the use of trigger locks) or must be kept in a locked container that is properly secured to, or is within
the vehicle
What are the requirements for transporting Category A & B firearms? Firearms Registry
Unlike the transportation of category C, D & H firearms and commercial
transportation, there are no legislative requirements for the transportation of
category A & B firearms.
However the general rule applied in section 39 of the Act applies and the
Commissioner has determined that 'all reasonable precautions' have been met
if category A & B firearms are conveyed in the same manner as category C, D
& H firearms.
NOTE: At no time should a firearm be left stored unattended in a motor vehicle
unless the firearms are stored in accordance with the requirements of category
C, D & H firearms and no other alternative safe storage is available.
I transport mine in a locked steel box(read toolbox cause I had one) secured to the vehicle(car) with a chain and padlock. This has satisfied the inspectors on all previous occasions. I also fit trigger locks.
frank
This link in another forum explains it. Apparently you need permission from each state etc (from a quick read) so for a traveller???
http://caravanersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2268
Brackets to hold stock / barrel & chain through trigger guard.
All secured with a key lockable lid under the cushions.
The Mate who bought my trike goes to the range with a metal locking lid on a trailer towed behind the trike.
The trailer is departmented for different firearms & ammo.
He has been quized by officer Plod and considered compliant. ( Firearms wise. He tends to make their life awkward.)
Ah your 40mm trump my measly 30mm,,, BUT I have a nice Canberra starter cartridge case I still use for old coins.
I had to give up a practice 11lb (I think it was 11lb) BDU dropped on Saltash Range in the 70's as anyone could "mistake" it for a live round,,bah. It was great doorstop.
That is a very subjective question!!!
I am a sporting shooter, my thing is paper targets or feral pests.
Shooting people I leave to those with the permission to do it
frank
My reference to the 40mm was from when I was an online game fanatic a few years back. I used to play a game called "Resistance: Fall of Man" and my favourite armoury was an automatic rifle with a 40mm grenade launcher, for med to long range, and a Spas12 for close in work.
Cheers,
Robyn
In the 70s we lived in a rural area. There was a hippie commune down the road & various members of such would visit.
I was shooting an air rifle in the yard. Had an empty tin laying on its side,open end facing me.
I was shooting at the inside of the tin and the tin would pop upright if hit in the "sweet spot".
A hippie guy wearing a sarong came over and asked if he could have a try.
I gave him a quick lesson on what to do. He squatted down for the shot.
He fired and the pellet bounced back out of the can,straight up the sarong & got him in the goolies.
Not hard enough to injure,just to sting. He yelped,fell back & handed me the air rifle.
His parting words were to the effect " Some higher power thinks he should never handle a gun. That was a warning."
Don't have one any more, but I would still like to be able to carry a .22 at least, to put animals dying in pain out of their misery humanely. Have had to find things to hit them over the head with to do the job before today, and I'd much rather do it with a quick clean shot thank you very much.
Cheers,
Sheba.
-- Edited by Sheba on Sunday 3rd of May 2015 07:35:02 PM
Yeh I had to knock an eagle on the head in Central QLD a few years ago and he had over 2m wingspan, huge. I had to use a 1.8m long handed shovel and he knew it was coming and tried to move but he couldn't.
Wish I had my 22 with me.
Before you say why, he was starving and had a clearly broken wing, couldn't stand at all and was a mess on the side of the road.