That's an interesting link brickies - thanks for posting it. Not sure if it is dead accurate however. With no references to the regulation it leaves room for different interpretations. Also contains some strange assumptions re doing 80kph in a 100kph zone like: When you think about it if everyone travelled at exactly 100 km/h there would be no need for overtaking at all.
Good Luck.
Bruce and Bev said
09:19 PM Mar 31, 2015
thinks the facebook idea is a great one, but just imagine if each State police had one - all their advice would contradict each other their rules, laws and interpretations vary suck much.
Nonetheless. I have subscribed to the QLD link for a daily digest (hopefully wont turn into indigestion)!
brickies said
10:42 PM Mar 31, 2015
Hako this is a official Queensland site , so you are getting it first hand , This site is very helpful in time of floods and cyclones and day to day happening in Queensland and often correct myph which are spread on the internet .
Bevandy2 said
12:43 AM Apr 1, 2015
Seems good to me, common sense to pull over when possible if we have a string of frustrated drivers behind us, not always safe of course, especially with some clown sitting right on the rear bumper, you can't just jam on the skids in case it's some twit on their mobile, as happens, but I'm a great supporter of the police and traffic control, if any officers reading this, such info should be widely publicised, I think repetition is a great way to keep it all in the minds of the motorists.
Since moving to QLD 13 years ago we have noticed a phenomenal change in driver attitude, thanks to the untiring efforts of our cops, much less tail gating, more courtesy, I think that comes from constant reminders to behave.
Or maybe it's just us lovely friendly people on the Sunshine Coast! Great place for a holiday guys, come and see.
Bevan
PeterD said
12:52 PM Apr 1, 2015
hako wrote:
Not sure if it is dead accurate however. With no references to the regulation it leaves room for different interpretations.
If it is in an official site like that I have no doubt it would be correct. If you are looking for the offence in the Queensland Road Rules you will not find it. However if you look under Part 3 20 Obeying the speed limit you will find the following:
Note See also the Criminal Code, section 328A (Dangerous operation of a vehicle) and sections 83 (Careless driving of motor vehicles) and 84 (Dangerous driving of vehicles (other than motor vehicles) etc.) of the Act.
I will leave it up to the Queenslanders to chase up the appropriate section of the Criminal Code. That note is in the Qld rules but it is not in the Australian Road Rules. However just because it's not in a particular states road rules it does not mean that there are no other provisions in that state similar to the Qld one (check your common law provisions as well.)
deverall11 said
01:52 PM Apr 1, 2015
One major point was left out. Most caravaners do not look at the traffic behind. Therefore they would not be aware of a line of traffic behind them. If in doubt, how many times have you seen a semi trailer behind a caravan wanting to get pass and the caravan driver totally unaware of the situation.
Larry
RobandFlip said
03:37 PM Apr 1, 2015
Maybe some caravanners some of the time do not look at the line up of cars behind them but not all. These days many caravanners have a rear camera attached to the van and at the flick of a switch can view for a considerable distance, how many vehicles are behind them. Referring to the Qld Police facebook, That rule was in force donkeys' years ago. When I lived in Qld a young woman was fined for holding up traffic on the Bruce Highway north of the Sunshine Coast doing just 80klms an hour and could not believe she had done anything wrong. The police officer explained to her that she did not own the road and had to drive to the perfect weather and road conditions which meant on the day, 100klms per hour.
Bruce and Bev said
04:12 PM Apr 1, 2015
the problem with pulling over when towing a caravan or other heavy trailer type vehicle is the road shoulder is often non-existent or at sharp a sharp angle to the land beside it, that you take a real risk of tipping your van and with it your tow vehicle over on their side.
I have a rear view camera and try to watch but use my great Clearview (no, I don't have shares in the company) door mirrors. Each time I go round a left or right curve or bend in the road I look to see whats behind me and if the roads reasonably straight, I can see for kms back.
I also have "CH 40" in large letters on the back of my 'van but few truckies call you up to let you know they want to pass, or intend to pass. Theyre not too bad in WA, but in SA (and we've spent about 2 months travelling in this State so far) we've never been called (or abused). But particularly in Port Augusta, the truckies are like a ladies (sorry girls) knitting club, yapping and giggling to each other and discussing their previous or forthcoming bedroom activities!! We're going back through Augusta in a few days time and will have the UHF off because of this garbage until we get well out of town
brickies said
05:47 PM Apr 1, 2015
No body would want you to just pull off the side of the road , The idea is to pull off at a truck bay of like wise when it can be done safely , Also you could speed up a bit till you found somewhere to pull off the highway safely .
done dreaming said
12:29 PM Apr 2, 2015
Some of the roads i have driven on were only safe to tow at 80 kph while cars could do 100 kph safely.
brickies said
12:48 PM Apr 2, 2015
I think there post are talking about common sense, they would be the last people that would want you to put yourself at risk , The point they are making when it is safe pull over and let the mob go . I find I don't like to be in a big bunch and if I am holding people up I increase my speed to a level That feels safe for me if I can and then pull off at the next place were it is safe to do so , In the Queensland Police they make no mention of RV it is just a general comment .
rockylizard said
01:04 PM Apr 2, 2015
Gday...
Common sense (I really do have a misplaced sense of optimism ) should prevail.
100kph is a speed LIMIT ... NOT the specified speed one MUST travel at.
It is widely stressed that one should drive to the conditions - and if that means that the 'safest' speed (conditions) for towing a van on a SINGLE lane road is 80kph then so be it.
However, (there's ALWAYS a 'however' ) that is where 'common sense' is supposed to kick in again.
Vehicles are fitted with mirrors - and if they are being used, it should be fairly obvious a line of vehicles is being held up. So when this happens on a SINGLE lane road, then WHEN SAFE TO DO SO, simply pull over and either stop or crawl along, to allow the 'tail' to pass. Most, although insufficient, such roads are increasingly being provided with 'overtaking lanes' at intervals. One could suggest patience grasshopper, patience.
However, (damn, there's that word again ) surely it would be expected that one would extend basic courtesy to other road users in such circumstances - although I guess it is not usual for road users - who are unfortunately only people - to extend courtesy as a norm these days.
I guess, as with most things these days, I am out of touch with the 'reality of the new century'
Cheers - and keep watching those mirrors - John
sandsmere said
01:43 PM Apr 2, 2015
deverall11 wrote:
One major point was left out. Most caravaners do not look at the traffic behind. Therefore they would not be aware of a line of traffic behind them. If in doubt, how many times have you seen a semi trailer behind a caravan wanting to get pass and the caravan driver totally unaware of the situation. Larry
Not too sure that statement is correct.
I watch the mirrors and know exactly what's behind me.
http-::mypolice.qld.gov.au:bundaberg:2015:03:31:myth-buster-80-highway:
That's an interesting link brickies - thanks for posting it. Not sure if it is dead accurate however. With no references to the regulation it leaves room for different interpretations. Also contains some strange assumptions re doing 80kph in a 100kph zone like:
When you think about it if everyone travelled at exactly 100 km/h there would be no need for overtaking at all.
Good Luck.
Nonetheless. I have subscribed to the QLD link for a daily digest (hopefully wont turn into indigestion)!
Since moving to QLD 13 years ago we have noticed a phenomenal change in driver attitude, thanks to the untiring efforts of our cops, much less tail gating, more courtesy, I think that comes from constant reminders to behave.
Or maybe it's just us lovely friendly people on the Sunshine Coast! Great place for a holiday guys, come and see.
Bevan
If it is in an official site like that I have no doubt it would be correct. If you are looking for the offence in the Queensland Road Rules you will not find it. However if you look under Part 3 20 Obeying the speed limit you will find the following:
I will leave it up to the Queenslanders to chase up the appropriate section of the Criminal Code. That note is in the Qld rules but it is not in the Australian Road Rules. However just because it's not in a particular states road rules it does not mean that there are no other provisions in that state similar to the Qld one (check your common law provisions as well.)
Larry
Maybe some caravanners some of the time do not look at the line up of cars behind them but not all. These days many caravanners have a rear camera attached to the van and at the flick of a switch can view for a considerable distance, how many vehicles are behind them. Referring to the Qld Police facebook, That rule was in force donkeys' years ago. When I lived in Qld a young woman was fined for holding up traffic on the Bruce Highway north of the Sunshine Coast doing just 80klms an hour and could not believe she had done anything wrong. The police officer explained to her that she did not own the road and had to drive to the perfect weather and road conditions which meant on the day, 100klms per hour.
I have a rear view camera and try to watch but use my great Clearview (no, I don't have shares in the company) door mirrors. Each time I go round a left or right curve or bend in the road I look to see whats behind me and if the roads reasonably straight, I can see for kms back.
I also have "CH 40" in large letters on the back of my 'van but few truckies call you up to let you know they want to pass, or intend to pass. Theyre not too bad in WA, but in SA (and we've spent about 2 months travelling in this State so far) we've never been called (or abused). But particularly in Port Augusta, the truckies are like a ladies (sorry girls) knitting club, yapping and giggling to each other and discussing their previous or forthcoming bedroom activities!! We're going back through Augusta in a few days time and will have the UHF off because of this garbage until we get well out of town
Gday...
Common sense (I really do have a misplaced sense of optimism
) should prevail.
100kph is a speed LIMIT ... NOT the specified speed one MUST travel at.
It is widely stressed that one should drive to the conditions - and if that means that the 'safest' speed (conditions) for towing a van on a SINGLE lane road is 80kph then so be it.
However, (there's ALWAYS a 'however'
) that is where 'common sense' is supposed to kick in again.
Vehicles are fitted with mirrors - and if they are being used, it should be fairly obvious a line of vehicles is being held up. So when this happens on a SINGLE lane road, then WHEN SAFE TO DO SO, simply pull over and either stop or crawl along, to allow the 'tail' to pass. Most, although insufficient, such roads are increasingly being provided with 'overtaking lanes' at intervals. One could suggest patience grasshopper, patience.
However, (damn, there's that word again
) surely it would be expected that one would extend basic courtesy to other road users in such circumstances - although I guess it is not usual for road users - who are unfortunately only people - to extend courtesy as a norm these days.
I guess, as with most things these days, I am out of touch with the 'reality of the new century'
Cheers - and keep watching those mirrors - John
Not too sure that statement is correct.
I watch the mirrors and know exactly what's behind me.