Thanks, Vic. I'm freezing in Busselton tonight but will check my (two, same) stoves when I get home tomorrow.
I hope this does not mean that the nanny state will ban the sale of the canisters, because I will keep using my stoves.
What really needs to be banned is 20-inch frying pans used on the stoves.
What ever happened to common sense?
When I bought my stove, the FIRST thought I had was : DO NOT use a wide saucepan/frying pan on this stove because it will overheat the canister and cause an explosion.
Cheers, Tony
hako said
11:43 PM Mar 22, 2015
Well spotted Vic, I note 6 are banned for sale AND use whereas the rest are just banned from sale.
Regards
Bruce and Bev said
09:17 AM Mar 23, 2015
Tony. Youre so right. How many years have we and our parents been using these with no problems????
And it is the wide frypans etc that cause the problem - surely most intelligent people could work that out......
Friar Park said
11:19 AM Mar 23, 2015
You are so right Tony. What I dont understand is, the literature that came with both of my stoves clearly describes in pictures and text that you should not use oversized pans on them. So why do we need to legislated against? The DHs that ignore the advise will do so whatever the circumstance.
Friar
Weevil said
11:45 AM Mar 23, 2015
It is not just using oversize pans/pots, some have faulty canister connections.
A member on this site (Gerty I think) also reported an explosion of spare gas canister cans caused by them rubbing together in transit, I looked for the thread/post but couldn't find it.
See also this warning on some stoves fitted to Jayco vans, also on the link;
Thetford Triplex Plus Oven/Grill Cooker
Thetford Triplex Plus cookers were fitted into Jayco vans nationally.
Identification
Selected Jayco chassis numbers between R81942 up to S81151.
Safety risks
The gas control valve may be misaligned and the valve may stick open. If the defect is present there is a risk of gas building up into the appliance when not lit and this may lead to a possible explosion within the oven.
interesting that the WA govt has identified nearly every manufacturer (like Primus) of this type of product that youd buy from Bunnings, Marsters, Annaconda, BCF etc - back to gathering twigs and dry leaves together and rubbing sticks to create fire (matches will be outlawed soon as dangerous as they may flare up when struck and cigarette lighters may combust or explode in your pocket or hot vehicle glovebox.......no....wait.....the Fire Service will ban the use of fires for cooking as it may cause a major fire!!
Weevil, you were quite right in bringing this to everyones attention so that people can make an informed decision about what to do, but is it that these products are now being made cheaper and therefore putting us at danger, or is this another breast feeding exercise by our Nanny govts??
Santa said
06:01 PM Mar 23, 2015
I cant believe an identified safety hazard with a gas appliance is being discussed in this manner, it only takes a single incident to cause loss of property or life.
"Informed decision" more like poor decision.
Guess there are always those who reckon they know better
As a matter of interest, was in a camping store in Adelaide a couple of days back, they had these gas canisters on sale for about $5 for a six pack, getting rid of em while they still can I guess.
-- Edited by Santa on Monday 23rd of March 2015 06:03:44 PM
Dougwe said
06:12 PM Mar 23, 2015
In another thread this topic was discussed and I thought it was the cooker itself not the actual canisters? Although I understand if a canister is leaking and two rub together that could cause a big problem also. However, If I am correct and I stand corrected, it is the cooker in this case?
madaboutled said
06:23 PM Mar 23, 2015
My name wasn't on that list...... OPPS Sorry! "Lunchbox" Cookers LOL
Weevil said
06:28 PM Mar 23, 2015
From what is written Doug, it is the canister that explodes, but it seem from poor fitting or connection or from heat reflected down on the canisters by oversize cooking utensils.
My understand of the size of the cooking utensils is they should not exceed the size of the trivet.
Could you post a link to the other thread here please as I couldn't find it. I think on there Gerty talks about spare canisters exploding by rubbing together in transit, but that is another matter.
It does seem strange Bruce & Bev that after many years of use of this product it is now being banned, I wonder if it is because previous manufacturers made a safer product and cheaper models are causing the problem?
Santa said
06:55 PM Mar 23, 2015
Weevil wrote:
Could you post a link to the other thread here please as I couldn't find it.
A quick search would have turned this up Weevil.
Another reason why duplicate threads are a hindrance.
-- Edited by Santa on Monday 23rd of March 2015 06:59:17 PM
Weevil said
09:12 PM Mar 23, 2015
Thanks Santa, I did use the search box but obviously was using the wrong wording.
Looked in the different sections also without any luck.
Santa said
09:49 PM Mar 23, 2015
Weevil wrote:
Thanks Santa, I did use the search box but obviously was using the wrong wording.
Looked in the different sections also without any luck.
Takes a bit of practice, just type in a couple of key words, in this case (Gas and banned) got about four hits.
Weevil said
12:59 AM Mar 24, 2015
No worries, as I couldn't find it I thought it important enough to post again, I thought I may have seen a similar post on another forum and not here when I couldn't find it.
I may add it was a WA list that hadn't been posted before and the SA link posted before (but I could not locate it here) did not mention models etc and the link I posted also referred to Thetford Stoves in Jayco's which had not been posted previously.
The main thing is I made an effort to locate any previous posts without success before I posted mine, so don't feel I need to apologise for that.
Weevil said
05:53 PM Mar 24, 2015
I was in Bunnings this morning, they had removed the single and two burner lunchbox stoves off the shelves, but still had the gas canisters on sale.
A salesman there said they (the canisters) were safe and were also used in other gas items such as a gas lantern etc.
Bruce and Bev said
07:00 PM Mar 24, 2015
weevil - no need or expectation from most others that you should apologise for this post - it was an important issue and didn't hurt or injury any horses, dogs or other animals in making it (my apologises to the movie companies for stealing one of their movie trailers lol)
Weevil said
08:38 PM Mar 24, 2015
Well thanks for that Bruce & Bev, funny when I was talking to the Bunnings bloke today, he quoted many people who had been using these cookers with no problems, not to say there couldn't be and some have had problems (and a death) but he was a little mystified as to why others hadn't had problems that he knew of.
Best to be safe then sorry though.
On the canisters I had there is a warning not to store in the boot of a vehicle, considering the heat build up in a parked vehicle in the open this is not surprising though, not sure how others go when travelling with them inside their vehicles, unless they are stored in a trailer etc.
-- Edited by Weevil on Tuesday 24th of March 2015 08:39:09 PM
tonyd said
12:18 AM Mar 26, 2015
OK, I bought a dozen of the CRV canisters today from BigW ($14), having found that my model Spinifex brand cookers were not on the list.
I also noticed that when you open the canister compartment, there is a clear, easy to read warning which says NOT to use utensils more than 25cm diameter. Seems clear to me.
As for the canisters rubbing together, I wrap mine in that rubber mesh stuff you can get to stop things moving on caravan benches. Old stubby holders are also handy.
Cheers, Tony
Weevil said
10:00 PM Mar 26, 2015
Sounds good to me Tony, glad yours was ok!
( I see a couple of other Spinifex cookers were on the list though;
Stubby holder idea good also used to protect wine glasses from breakages in transit.
-- Edited by Weevil on Thursday 26th of March 2015 10:15:50 PM
Weevil said
05:15 PM Mar 27, 2015
I bought 4 of the canisters today for $4.50 (for 4) at K Mart.
hako said
07:56 PM Mar 27, 2015
BCF have the single burners in their latest catalogue (Primus brand) for $19.99 and Supercheap have single burner stoves for $13.80 - one of the other store had dual burner stoves for $39.99.
This is in Townsville and the adverts are current.
Weevil said
10:42 PM Mar 27, 2015
hako wrote:
BCF have the single burners in their latest catalogue (Primus brand) for $19.99 and Supercheap have single burner stoves for $13.80 - one of the other store had dual burner stoves for $39.99. This is in Townsville and the adverts are current.
Makes you wonder what is going on Denis, either they are a bit slow removing them or the ones they have meet and are certified to Oz standards ? The canisters seem to be in a different category (eg; Bunnings & KMart not selling the stoves but selling the canisters which I understand can be used in other gas items.
hako said
08:42 AM Mar 28, 2015
Vic - it's possible the Primus single burner stoves are not banned as they have a bright stainless steel lid over the gas bottle which should reflect heat unlike the normal black cover. Also the twin burner ones may not have had a 'reported' incident as they are not as common.
Regards
This is a WA Government List (two lists) of faulty and non compliant Lunchbox Cookers.
Mine is the PC1070 on the non compliant list.
See; http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energysafety/unsafe-and-dangerous-gas-appliances
I hope this does not mean that the nanny state will ban the sale of the canisters, because I will keep using my stoves.
What really needs to be banned is 20-inch frying pans used on the stoves.
What ever happened to common sense?
When I bought my stove, the FIRST thought I had was : DO NOT use a wide saucepan/frying pan on this stove because it will overheat the canister and cause an explosion.
Cheers, Tony
Regards
And it is the wide frypans etc that cause the problem - surely most intelligent people could work that out......
You are so right Tony. What I dont understand is, the literature that came with both of my stoves clearly describes in pictures and text that you should not use oversized pans on them. So why do we need to legislated against? The DHs that ignore the advise will do so whatever the circumstance.
Friar
It is not just using oversize pans/pots, some have faulty canister connections.
A member on this site (Gerty I think) also reported an explosion of spare gas canister cans caused by them rubbing together in transit, I looked for the thread/post but couldn't find it.
............................................................................................................
See also this warning on some stoves fitted to Jayco vans, also on the link;
Thetford Triplex Plus Oven/Grill Cooker
Thetford Triplex Plus cookers were fitted into Jayco vans nationally.
Identification
Selected Jayco chassis numbers between R81942 up to S81151.
Safety risks
The gas control valve may be misaligned and the valve may stick open. If the defect is present there is a risk of gas building up into the appliance when not lit and this may lead to a possible explosion within the oven.
Further information
Contact Thetford Australia Pty Ltd
Telephone: 03 9358 0705
Website: www.thetford-europe.com./au
-- Edited by Weevil on Monday 23rd of March 2015 11:49:56 AM
See this report, something doesn't see to gel in the report, they settled out of court anyway ?
http://www.chemaxx.com/butane_explosion.htm
Weevil, you were quite right in bringing this to everyones attention so that people can make an informed decision about what to do, but is it that these products are now being made cheaper and therefore putting us at danger, or is this another breast feeding exercise by our Nanny govts??
I cant believe an identified safety hazard with a gas appliance is being discussed in this manner, it only takes a single incident to cause loss of property or life.
"Informed decision" more like poor decision.
Guess there are always those who reckon they know better
As a matter of interest, was in a camping store in Adelaide a couple of days back, they had these gas canisters on sale for about $5 for a six pack, getting rid of em while they still can I guess.
-- Edited by Santa on Monday 23rd of March 2015 06:03:44 PM
My name wasn't on that list...... OPPS Sorry! "Lunchbox" Cookers LOL
From what is written Doug, it is the canister that explodes, but it seem from poor fitting or connection or from heat reflected down on the canisters by oversize cooking utensils.
My understand of the size of the cooking utensils is they should not exceed the size of the trivet.
Could you post a link to the other thread here please as I couldn't find it. I think on there Gerty talks about spare canisters exploding by rubbing together in transit, but that is another matter.
It does seem strange Bruce & Bev that after many years of use of this product it is now being banned, I wonder if it is because previous manufacturers made a safer product and cheaper models are causing the problem?
A quick search would have turned this up Weevil.
Another reason why duplicate threads are a hindrance.
http://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t59804768/gas-cookers-banned-from-sale-in-south-australia-because-of-e/
-- Edited by Santa on Monday 23rd of March 2015 06:59:17 PM
Thanks Santa, I did use the search box but obviously was using the wrong wording.
Looked in the different sections also without any luck.
Takes a bit of practice, just type in a couple of key words, in this case (Gas and banned) got about four hits.
No worries, as I couldn't find it I thought it important enough to post again, I thought I may have seen a similar post on another forum and not here when I couldn't find it.
I may add it was a WA list that hadn't been posted before and the SA link posted before (but I could not locate it here) did not mention models etc and the link I posted also referred to Thetford Stoves in Jayco's which had not been posted previously.
The main thing is I made an effort to locate any previous posts without success before I posted mine, so don't feel I need to apologise for that.
I was in Bunnings this morning, they had removed the single and two burner lunchbox stoves off the shelves, but still had the gas canisters on sale.
A salesman there said they (the canisters) were safe and were also used in other gas items such as a gas lantern etc.
Well thanks for that Bruce & Bev, funny when I was talking to the Bunnings bloke today, he quoted many people who had been using these cookers with no problems, not to say there couldn't be and some have had problems (and a death) but he was a little mystified as to why others hadn't had problems that he knew of.
Best to be safe then sorry though.
On the canisters I had there is a warning not to store in the boot of a vehicle, considering the heat build up in a parked vehicle in the open this is not surprising though, not sure how others go when travelling with them inside their vehicles, unless they are stored in a trailer etc.
-- Edited by Weevil on Tuesday 24th of March 2015 08:39:09 PM
I also noticed that when you open the canister compartment, there is a clear, easy to read warning which says NOT to use utensils more than 25cm diameter. Seems clear to me.
As for the canisters rubbing together, I wrap mine in that rubber mesh stuff you can get to stop things moving on caravan benches. Old stubby holders are also handy.
Cheers, Tony
Sounds good to me Tony, glad yours was ok!
( I see a couple of other Spinifex cookers were on the list though;
http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energysafety/unsafe-and-dangerous-gas-appliances
Stubby holder idea good also used to protect wine glasses from breakages in transit.
-- Edited by Weevil on Thursday 26th of March 2015 10:15:50 PM
I bought 4 of the canisters today for $4.50 (for 4) at K Mart.
This is in Townsville and the adverts are current.
Makes you wonder what is going on Denis, either they are a bit slow removing them or the ones they have meet and are certified to Oz standards ? The canisters seem to be in a different category (eg; Bunnings & KMart not selling the stoves but selling the canisters which I understand can be used in other gas items.
Regards