Yesterday I had the opportunity to have the Pajero and van washed by a good friend and his daughter while I watched and sweated!!!! They own a truck contracting business, and also have a weighbridge. I had all the water tanks full and gear loaded as well as 3 x 10 liter water containers in the van,and including the genset, 10lts spare diesel and 5 liter unleaded for the genset. Also a heap of gear in the Pajero. These are the figures. Comments welcomed.
the only thing I can se wrong, but I might be wrong myself is the Ball weight..
Juergen
Radar said
08:47 PM Feb 13, 2015
Hi Aussie_Paul.
Great move weighing your vehicles, now knowing and not guessing.
May be a little less on the ball but as you drive along having a cuppa here and there it will become lighter.
All positive, once again great work. Ralph
aussie_paul said
09:03 PM Feb 13, 2015
SnowT wrote:
hey Paul..
the only thing I can se wrong, but I might be wrong myself is the Ball weight..
Juergen
Yes Juergen, the ball weight is 30kg over if the van does not get any heavier. The 33 kg Genset and alloy box is the problem. So, thinking caps on..
Aussie Paul.
Treecrest14 said
10:03 PM Feb 13, 2015
Paul
You also need to check the info plate on your towbar..
Glen
aussie_paul said
10:36 PM Feb 13, 2015
Treecrest14 wrote:
Paul
You also need to check the info plate on your towbar..
Glen
Ok Glen, I just assumed (always a mistake) the towbar would be able to carry the vehicle towing capacity. Should there be a plate attached to the towbar somewhere?
Aussie Paul.
Treecrest14 said
10:17 AM Feb 14, 2015
In WA they are reqd, so I would think it was the same across Oz.
Cloak said
11:22 AM Feb 14, 2015
You can get the plate re-stamped with higher capacities for a small donation.
deverall11 said
11:32 AM Feb 14, 2015
Paul, was the tow ball weight with or without WDH? One would like to think that WDH would remove some of the tow ball weight.
Larry
aussie_paul said
11:07 PM Feb 15, 2015
deverall11 wrote:
Paul, was the tow ball weight with or without WDH? One would like to think that WDH would remove some of the tow ball weight. Larry
Hi Larry, it was with the WDH removed.
Aussie Paul.
PeterD said
12:35 AM Feb 16, 2015
deverall11 wrote:
Paul, was the tow ball weight with or without WDH? One would like to think that WDH would remove some of the tow ball weight. Larry
WDH does not alter the ball weight. All it does is to alter how that ball weight is distributed amongst the axles. No matter what you do, if the loaded weight of the van is under 2500 kg the bal weight when not attached to the van must not exceed 250 kg and if the total weight is over 2500 kg then the ball weight must not exceed 180 kg. Mitsubishi do not have a sliding scale for ball weight for vans over 2500 kg so any vans over that weight must have ball weights under 180 kg.
-- Edited by PeterD on Monday 16th of February 2015 12:36:47 AM
aussie_paul said
11:31 AM Feb 16, 2015
PeterD wrote:
WDH does not alter the ball weight. All it does is to alter how that ball weight is distributed amongst the axles. No matter what you do, if the loaded weight of the van is under 2500 kg the bal weight when not attached to the van must not exceed 250 kg and if the total weight is over 2500 kg then the ball weight must not exceed 180 kg. Mitsubishi do not have a sliding scale for ball weight for vans over 2500 kg so any vans over that weight must have ball weights under 180 kg.
-- Edited by PeterD on Monday 16th of February 2015 12:36:47 AM
That's how I understand it Peter. The WDH bars were laying on the weighbridge bed, so in theory, I could remove the their weight from the measured ball weight. At least I have made an effort to understand our rig. Plain to see who has too much time on their hands!!!
Aussie Paul.
aussie_paul said
11:26 PM Feb 16, 2015
Treecrest14 wrote:
Paul
You also need to check the info plate on your towbar..
I wish I knew how you keep your van weight down. Again assuming your plated Tare is correct at 2252kg and your weighed mass is 2490kg means you have 238kg you have added.
So, at 2 x bottles of gas @ say 18kg, 2 x 90L water tanks 180kg (water only) , add to this 30kg water in containers, 5kg diesel, 25kg(???) generator adds up to 240kg of additions.
Where are your clothes, food, wine & beer ( ) hoses, mats, annexe etc? All that stuff that accumulates?
Don't take this wrong, I am not 'picking on' your figures just trying to understand them. I am assuming your van is loaded for travel?? If not then your figures look excellent.
In our case our van, 21'6" tares at 2260kg but would be onroad closer to 2900 and the genny rides in the ute tub.
aussie_paul said
05:14 PM Feb 17, 2015
Delta18 wrote:
I wish I knew how you keep your van weight down. Again assuming your plated Tare is correct at 2252kg and your weighed mass is 2490kg means you have 238kg you have added.
So, at 2 x bottles of gas @ say 18kg, 2 x 90L water tanks 180kg (water only) , add to this 30kg water in containers, 5kg diesel, 25kg(???) generator adds up to 240kg of additions.
Where are your clothes, food, wine & beer ( ) hoses, mats, annexe etc? All that stuff that accumulates?
Don't take this wrong, I am not 'picking on' your figures just trying to understand them. I am assuming your van is loaded for travel?? If not then your figures look excellent.
In our case our van, 21'6" tares at 2260kg but would be onroad closer to 2900 and the genny rides in the ute tub.
No worries Neil, I asked for comments. The 30 kg of extra water would be replaced with clothes etc. Already have annex, hoses, matts, pantry items on board.
At least I know and am not guessing.
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 17th of February 2015 05:18:05 PM
Delta18 said
11:27 PM Feb 17, 2015
aussie_paul wrote:
Delta18 wrote:
I wish I knew how you keep your van weight down. Again assuming your plated Tare is correct at 2252kg and your weighed mass is 2490kg means you have 238kg you have added.
So, at 2 x bottles of gas @ say 18kg, 2 x 90L water tanks 180kg (water only) , add to this 30kg water in containers, 5kg diesel, 25kg(???) generator adds up to 240kg of additions.
Where are your clothes, food, wine & beer ( ) hoses, mats, annexe etc? All that stuff that accumulates?
Don't take this wrong, I am not 'picking on' your figures just trying to understand them. I am assuming your van is loaded for travel?? If not then your figures look excellent.
In our case our van, 21'6" tares at 2260kg but would be onroad closer to 2900 and the genny rides in the ute tub.
No worries Neil, I asked for comments. The 30 kg of extra water would be replaced with clothes etc. Already have annex, hoses, matts, pantry items on board.
At least I know and am not guessing.
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 17th of February 2015 05:18:05 PM
...and good for you too, very important info.
We are heading off for several moths in a couple weeks with a new ute so, first stop prior to leaving hometown will be a stop at our weigh bridge to see exactly where we are at. I have a tow-ball scale so that is no worries to check.
Yesterday I had the opportunity to have the Pajero and van washed by a good friend and his daughter while I watched and sweated!!!! They own a truck contracting business, and also have a weighbridge. I had all the water tanks full and gear loaded as well as 3 x 10 liter water containers in the van,and including the genset, 10lts spare diesel and 5 liter unleaded for the genset. Also a heap of gear in the Pajero. These are the figures. Comments welcomed.
Aussie Paul.
the only thing I can se wrong, but I might be wrong myself is the Ball weight..
Juergen
Hi Aussie_Paul.
Great move weighing your vehicles, now knowing and not guessing.
May be a little less on the ball but as you drive along having a cuppa here and there it will become lighter.
All positive, once again great work. Ralph
Yes Juergen, the ball weight is 30kg over if the van does not get any heavier. The 33 kg Genset and alloy box is the problem. So, thinking caps on..
Aussie Paul.
You also need to check the info plate on your towbar..
Glen
Ok Glen, I just assumed (always a mistake
) the towbar would be able to carry the vehicle towing capacity. Should there be a plate attached to the towbar somewhere?
Aussie Paul.
Larry
Hi Larry, it was with the WDH removed.
Aussie Paul.
WDH does not alter the ball weight. All it does is to alter how that ball weight is distributed amongst the axles. No matter what you do, if the loaded weight of the van is under 2500 kg the bal weight when not attached to the van must not exceed 250 kg and if the total weight is over 2500 kg then the ball weight must not exceed 180 kg. Mitsubishi do not have a sliding scale for ball weight for vans over 2500 kg so any vans over that weight must have ball weights under 180 kg.
-- Edited by PeterD on Monday 16th of February 2015 12:36:47 AM
That's how I understand it Peter. The WDH bars were laying on the weighbridge bed, so in theory, I could remove the their weight from the measured ball weight. At least I have made an effort to understand our rig. Plain to see who has too much time on their hands!!!
Aussie Paul.
Aussie Paul.
I wish I knew how you keep your van weight down. Again assuming your plated Tare is correct at 2252kg and your weighed mass is 2490kg means you have 238kg you have added.
So, at 2 x bottles of gas @ say 18kg, 2 x 90L water tanks 180kg (water only) , add to this 30kg water in containers, 5kg diesel, 25kg(???) generator adds up to 240kg of additions.
Where are your clothes, food, wine & beer (
) hoses, mats, annexe etc? All that stuff that accumulates?
Don't take this wrong, I am not 'picking on' your figures just trying to understand them. I am assuming your van is loaded for travel?? If not then your figures look excellent.
In our case our van, 21'6" tares at 2260kg but would be onroad closer to 2900 and the genny rides in the ute tub.
No worries Neil, I asked for comments. The 30 kg of extra water would be replaced with clothes etc. Already have annex, hoses, matts, pantry items on board.
At least I know and am not guessing.
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 17th of February 2015 05:18:05 PM
...and good for you too, very important info.
We are heading off for several moths in a couple weeks with a new ute so, first stop prior to leaving hometown will be a stop at our weigh bridge to see exactly where we are at. I have a tow-ball scale so that is no worries to check.
Cheers Neil.