I am absolutely discussed with the legal system, and it's way they handle young offenders who are caught lighting fires,
A couple of kids, ( 8 & 10 year olds ) were caught red handed recently lighting fires here in Perth,
They got away with it because, they were too young to be charged !!!
To me it seems that, at that age they aren't expected to know right from wrong,
I can remember when I was that age, if I did anything wrong, the first person to give me "what for" was the local Copper,
then when I was marched home, the Old Man had his belt off and a few good smacks on the rear soon taught me right from wrong,
after which I would then be was sent to bed with no Dinner.
I blame the Goodie Goodies for making our kids what they are today,
My thought on this matter are as follows, Bring back the Borstals ( Detention centres for Minors ) Place these Centres on Farms where the little Brats can work off their time.
Bring back Compulsory National Subscription for all 18 year olds, minimum service of 1 year.
I bet if this was the law, there would be a lot less crimes committed by those who think they will get away with it.
Anyway that's my whinge for the day,
I am interested to hear others comments, do you think Kids are still dumb at 10 years old ?
What would you do to them, if it was your house burnt down because of them ?
K.J.
Roving-Dutchy said
12:12 PM Feb 8, 2015
Wouldn't do any good whatsoever to the kids to lock them up, it's the parents that should be doing time.
Cheers
David
Bruce and Bev said
12:18 PM Feb 8, 2015
Jim. We didn't do things like this when we were young - well, certainly not to the extent that these young people do today. It seems to be cool to be anti-society
How about the 3 young kids in Geraldton who trashed a vacant house about 2 weeks ago and damage is estimated at $100K - the house may be demolished its so trashed!! Too young to go to Court and will be referred to some govt group of do-gooders and told that they were naughty - but no punishment
Some (but not most) young people have a bad attitude towards the law, the police, other people and property.
I think we treat 10-16 year olds as adults and give them adult decision making rights - they are bloody kids and shouldn't have all these rights.
When ones this young offend, send them to a work camp run by the Army - not juvenile detention centres (we cant even call them prisons) where they are trained to become a better criminal by others. These camps should be in the bush and the re-education and training of these kids by NCO's be tough and held in remote areas. No paper pushers and shrinks - just tough love.
I did this with my daughter in NZ when she was about 15 (not the Army, but run by ex- Army staff). She was in a camp for girls only for 3 months. She came back a totally changed person - all for the better. She is now the mother of 7 (doesn't watch enough TV lol) children, the oldest being 17 and the youngest 2 years old. All are happy, well behaved. The 17 year old is an apprentice chippie and the next oldest is doing her final years and is planning on becoming a doctor.
Looking back, we believe our daughter went off the rails because of some bad kids at school she associated with and we were prevented from being tough enough by the welfare staff and police at the time. It cost us $6K for that "army" course (a lot of money then), but was worth every cent
kiwijims said
12:21 PM Feb 8, 2015
Yes, I agree with you there, David.
I wonder how many Parents take the time to teach their kids right from wrong, maybe the parents should be charged in place of the kids !
K.J.
kiwijims said
12:32 PM Feb 8, 2015
Bruce and Bev wrote:
Jim. We didn't do things like this when we were young - well, certainly not to the extent that these young people do today. It seems to be cool to be anti-society
How about the 3 young kids in Geraldton who trashed a vacant house about 2 weeks ago and damage is estimated at $100K - the house may be demolished its so trashed!! Too young to go to Court and will be referred to some govt group of do-gooders and told that they were naughty - but no punishment
Some (but not most) young people have a bad attitude towards the law, the police, other people and property.
I think we treat 10-16 year olds as adults and give them adult decision making rights - they are bloody kids and shouldn't have all these rights.
When ones this young offend, send them to a work camp run by the Army - not juvenile detention centres (we cant even call them prisons) where they are trained to become a better criminal by others. These camps should be in the bush and the re-education and training of these kids by NCO's be tough and held in remote areas. No paper pushers and shrinks - just tough love.
I did this with my daughter in NZ when she was about 15 (not the Army, but run by ex- Army staff). She was in a camp for girls only for 3 months. She came back a totally changed person - all for the better. She is now the mother of 7 (doesn't watch enough TV lol) children, the oldest being 17 and the youngest 2 years old. All are happy, well behaved. The 17 year old is an apprentice chippie and the next oldest is doing her final years and is planning on becoming a doctor.
Looking back, we believe our daughter went off the rails because of some bad kids at school she associated with and we were prevented from being tough enough by the welfare staff and police at the time. It cost us $6K for that "army" course (a lot of money then), but was worth every cent
I wonder if it's a kiwi thing, lol but I agree with you 100+1 % there Bruce
I recall many years back in N.Z. when the Bikies ran riot through the country,
They were all rounded up and bought before the "Hanging Judge" as he was called back in the early 60's
his verdict was, all bikes were confiscated and all offenders were sent straight into the army 3 years each,
well when those blokes came out of the army, they were like a group of different people,
no more trouble and a lot of them are successful business people today.
K.J.
marto1944 said
12:50 PM Feb 8, 2015
KJ
I think you need to be careful at what you say hell you may just be labled like me a (SS), where have old fashion values gone today probably to the grave like those people that held those views I have said for many years we should keep the kids and shoot the parents, they are too busy and tired after working long hours to feed their habits of every thing new and right now I heard a guru say some time ago it is not our economy that is the problem its our life style and so as long as gen X and Y continue on this course of action their kids will suffer and a lot of them will go off the rails and all they can come up with is where did I fail ?, as far as national service is concerned a bit of the military never hurt any one it just makes people better humans, it wont be too long and we will have the opportunity to take this up next election but I suspect the do gooders will say O'H you could't do that to the poor darlings no we just seem to wrap them up in cotton wool. Just maybe us old timers are relics and need to leave the world to the younger generation to completely stuff it up
peter
Roving-Dutchy said
02:07 PM Feb 8, 2015
Nothing is more certain than change. Many attitudes have changed for the better, some have not, but all in all I think generally times are better now than when I was young un.
Attitudes towards Gays and single Mums are way ahead in my view, domestic violence is being met head on and hopefully this will make a difference to all women who are suffering at the hands of their partners.
In general we seem to be more aware that our disabled need a fair go and eventually there will be a properly funded scheme to achieve this, that is if our Pollies ever stop squabbling.
I look back over my life and yes there were good times but I don't think that I would like to visit the past in its entirety, there are so many good things happening now and it's good to get out there and live what is left of my life to the full, time is too short to be looking backwards when there are so many positive things happening.
There are many amazing young people out there and what they are doing will change our world for the better.
I think we would all be a lot happier if we stopped watching and listening to the dismal news that is fed to us 24hours a day and just got on with living our daily lives as best we can.
Cheers
David
elliemike said
02:32 PM Feb 8, 2015
So people who try to protect children are now classed as Goodie Goodies.
Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.
dazren said
03:37 PM Feb 8, 2015
elliemike wrote, --- So people who try to protect children are now classed as Goodie Goodies.
Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.
Hmm ! Can you 'define' Protect. ! as in some area's That Protection is for the greater Good, ! -- However some of the Goodie Goodie, type 'protection' causes some Children Enormous Damage, and that damage goes on to be very dangerous and Detrimental to to society in general.
One example, here in Geelong, A young very disturbed young person, Of 13 years old, with more than 120 serious offences to his name already, has just been released back into the community, as because of his age, there is no place to keep him, for his own safety, and the safety of the community, !! -- These are serious offences, he has committed, including many cases of Arson, many cases of violence, against the elderly ] Many cases of Animal Cruelty, where he said in his statment, he likesto strangle animals to death, and listen to them take their last breath, and he also admits to commiting Beastiality' Now naturally the Geelong Public does not know who this person is, or where in the Geelong community he is living, However for the sake of my Family, My House, and my Animals, I sincerly hope it is Nowhere near me !! PS, this person has over the years been through our Goodie, Goodie type protection, and this is the result delivered back to the community,
-- Edited by dazren on Sunday 8th of February 2015 03:39:22 PM
03_Troopy said
03:38 PM Feb 8, 2015
elliemike wrote:
So people who try to protect children are now classed as Goodie Goodies.
Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.
In the direction you're pushing it is my guess
Izabarack said
03:45 PM Feb 8, 2015
kiwijims wrote:
.... the Old Man had his belt off and a few good smacks on the rear soon taught me right from wrong.....,
All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught. If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.
Iza
03_Troopy said
04:01 PM Feb 8, 2015
my bet is 3 more posts before it's closed
dazren said
05:36 PM Feb 8, 2015
Izabarack wrote, --- All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught. If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.
They authorities, and do-gooders TAKE AWAY the parents rights to to disipline the children So i take it you mean the authorities, and do-gooders are the ones to be charged,, Hmm ! yeh, I would agree with that,
lokidog said
06:24 PM Feb 8, 2015
It is known that over here(and I suppose else where)certain members of the community take young kids with them to help commit crimes BECAUSE they know the young ones cannot be charged.....and so it goes on.
kiwijims said
07:00 PM Feb 8, 2015
lokidog wrote:
It is known that over here(and I suppose else where)certain members of the community take young kids with them to help commit crimes BECAUSE they know the young ones cannot be charged.....and so it goes on.
You could be dead right there, We had our house broken into few years back, it must have been a kid because entry was gained through the doggie door which I had installed in the rear door,
this little door only measured 200mm x 400mm, after this person got through it must have only taken a couple of seconds for them to kick in an inner locked sliding door then steal a couple of thousand bucks worth of our possessions, this included the Video recorder a small T.V. also a whole collection of the wife's John Wayne Video Tapes,( over 50 ) nothing was ever recovered,
I would say with-out a doubt, there was an adult involved because of the amount of items taken, could not have been handled by one person. and it only took them less than 10 min from the time the wife locked up and returned, to find one hell of a mess through-out the house,
By the way, the flaming Dog was happy, they gave him a whole pack of frozen mince which had been left out to defrost,
K.J.
-- Edited by kiwijims on Sunday 8th of February 2015 07:04:27 PM
SnowT said
07:02 PM Feb 8, 2015
Ok here is my rant...
1 - Any one classed 2 young to be charged should have the parents Pay the Price... as it is the parents that are supposed to be in charge of the kid's..
2 - introduce the strike system similar to the USofA.. 3 strikes and your out....
If they are of age to be charged.. Yes Send them to a work farm and give them time.... - Force them to have 2 choices.. Learn a Trade or Learn in the class room... B plus.. to get rewards...
It's better to teach them than what it is to not do anything...
Australia needs to pull it's head out of the sand and stop being a nanny state...
- We are far to lax on how we treat the crime's.. They have far to many right's.. Far more than our kids have..
I'm going to cope some flack here...
WE NEED TO BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, We have grown to lax and are doing nothing for the career criminals.. Especial those that have what I would class a capital crime... I could go and name hand fulls of people that deserve to be killed for what they have done...
End of Rant...
juergen
kiwijims said
07:08 PM Feb 8, 2015
SnowT wrote:
Ok here is my rant...
1 - Any one classed 2 young to be charged should have the parents Pay the Price... as it is the parents that are supposed to be in charge of the kid's.. 2 - introduce the strike system similar to the USofA.. 3 strikes and your out....
If they are of age to be charged.. Yes Send them to a work farm and give them time.... - Force them to have 2 choices.. Learn a Trade or Learn in the class room... B plus.. to get rewards... It's better to teach them than what it is to not do anything...
Australia needs to pull it's head out of the sand and stop being a nanny state... - We are far to lax on how we treat the crime's.. They have far to many right's.. Far more than our kids have..
I'm going to cope some flack here...
WE NEED TO BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, We have grown to lax and are doing nothing for the career criminals.. Especial those that have what I would class a capital crime... I could go and name hand fulls of people that deserve to be killed for what they have done...
End of Rant...
juergen
"HERE HERE" WELL SAID !!!!!
K.J.
aussie_paul said
07:13 PM Feb 8, 2015
"HERE HERE" WELL SAID !!!!! Juergen...Something has to be done..
Aussie Paul.
Sheba said
07:27 PM Feb 8, 2015
dazren wrote:
Izabarack wrote, --- All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught. If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.
They authorities, and do-gooders TAKE AWAY the parents rights to to disipline the children So i take it you mean the authorities, and do-gooders are the ones to be charged,, Hmm ! yeh, I would agree with that,
Gotta agree with this. [You beat me to it.]
Cheers,
Sheba.
Recoup said
07:30 PM Feb 8, 2015
Judges and Lawyers ruining Australia , think about it .
Cheers
dazren said
08:41 PM Feb 8, 2015
Recoup wrote, --- Judges and Lawyers ruining Australia , think about it .
I could not agree anymore Recoup, ! Our Police do a fantastic job of catching real bad criminals, and for what, !! as soon as it gets to court, the judges ans Lawyers return them to the street,Because our Gaols are chock a block full, It costs BIG $$$$ to lock them up, some reports say around 95 to 110 thousand dollars per prisoner. !!! I think we should build more prisons, of a low Low risk type prisoners, 'ie' embezzlment, driving offences, petty crimes, etc,etc, Then leave our hardcore prisons for Hardcore Criminals, and STOP making them like 5 star hotels, To hell with civil liberties for anyone who commits serious crimes against Anyone,
D and D said
10:00 PM Feb 8, 2015
The title of this thread certainly reflects the content of the comments.
Dave
madaboutled said
10:05 PM Feb 8, 2015
03_Troopy wrote:
my bet is 3 more posts before it's closed
Good job you didn't put money on it LOL.
A little bit of fear certainly taught me right from wrong
Webmaster said
10:40 PM Feb 8, 2015
Thanks everyone for your input on this. I think I'll close this now.
I am absolutely discussed with the legal system, and it's way they handle young offenders who are caught lighting fires,
A couple of kids, ( 8 & 10 year olds ) were caught red handed recently lighting fires here in Perth,
They got away with it because, they were too young to be charged !!!
To me it seems that, at that age they aren't expected to know right from wrong,
I can remember when I was that age, if I did anything wrong, the first person to give me "what for" was the local Copper,
then when I was marched home, the Old Man had his belt off and a few good smacks on the rear soon taught me right from wrong,
after which I would then be was sent to bed with no Dinner.
I blame the Goodie Goodies for making our kids what they are today,
My thought on this matter are as follows, Bring back the Borstals ( Detention centres for Minors ) Place these Centres on Farms where the little Brats can work off their time.
Bring back Compulsory National Subscription for all 18 year olds, minimum service of 1 year.
I bet if this was the law, there would be a lot less crimes committed by those who think they will get away with it.
Anyway that's my whinge for the day,
I am interested to hear others comments, do you think Kids are still dumb at 10 years old ?
What would you do to them, if it was your house burnt down because of them ?
K.J.
Cheers
David
How about the 3 young kids in Geraldton who trashed a vacant house about 2 weeks ago and damage is estimated at $100K - the house may be demolished its so trashed!! Too young to go to Court and will be referred to some govt group of do-gooders and told that they were naughty - but no punishment
Some (but not most) young people have a bad attitude towards the law, the police, other people and property.
I think we treat 10-16 year olds as adults and give them adult decision making rights - they are bloody kids and shouldn't have all these rights.
When ones this young offend, send them to a work camp run by the Army - not juvenile detention centres (we cant even call them prisons) where they are trained to become a better criminal by others. These camps should be in the bush and the re-education and training of these kids by NCO's be tough and held in remote areas. No paper pushers and shrinks - just tough love.
I did this with my daughter in NZ when she was about 15 (not the Army, but run by ex- Army staff). She was in a camp for girls only for 3 months. She came back a totally changed person - all for the better. She is now the mother of 7 (doesn't watch enough TV lol) children, the oldest being 17 and the youngest 2 years old. All are happy, well behaved. The 17 year old is an apprentice chippie and the next oldest is doing her final years and is planning on becoming a doctor.
Looking back, we believe our daughter went off the rails because of some bad kids at school she associated with and we were prevented from being tough enough by the welfare staff and police at the time. It cost us $6K for that "army" course (a lot of money then), but was worth every cent
Yes, I agree with you there, David.
I wonder how many Parents take the time to teach their kids right from wrong, maybe the parents should be charged in place of the kids !
K.J.
I wonder if it's a kiwi thing, lol but I agree with you 100+1 % there Bruce
I recall many years back in N.Z. when the Bikies ran riot through the country,
They were all rounded up and bought before the "Hanging Judge" as he was called back in the early 60's
his verdict was, all bikes were confiscated and all offenders were sent straight into the army 3 years each,
well when those blokes came out of the army, they were like a group of different people,
no more trouble and a lot of them are successful business people today.
K.J.
I think you need to be careful at what you say hell you may just be labled like me a (SS), where have old fashion values gone today probably to the grave like those people that held those views I have said for many years we should keep the kids and shoot the parents, they are too busy and tired after working long hours to feed their habits of every thing new and right now I heard a guru say some time ago it is not our economy that is the problem its our life style and so as long as gen X and Y continue on this course of action their kids will suffer and a lot of them will go off the rails and all they can come up with is where did I fail ?, as far as national service is concerned a bit of the military never hurt any one it just makes people better humans, it wont be too long and we will have the opportunity to take this up next election but I suspect the do gooders will say O'H you could't do that to the poor darlings no we just seem to wrap them up in cotton wool. Just maybe us old timers are relics and need to leave the world to the younger generation to completely stuff it up
peter
Attitudes towards Gays and single Mums are way ahead in my view, domestic violence is being met head on and hopefully this will make a difference to all women who are suffering at the hands of their partners.
In general we seem to be more aware that our disabled need a fair go and eventually there will be a properly funded scheme to achieve this, that is if our Pollies ever stop squabbling.
I look back over my life and yes there were good times but I don't think that I would like to visit the past in its entirety, there are so many good things happening now and it's good to get out there and live what is left of my life to the full, time is too short to be looking backwards when there are so many positive things happening.
There are many amazing young people out there and what they are doing will change our world for the better.
I think we would all be a lot happier if we stopped watching and listening to the dismal news that is fed to us 24hours a day and just got on with living our daily lives as best we can.
Cheers
David
So people who try to protect children are now classed as Goodie Goodies.
Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.
elliemike wrote, --- So people who try to protect children are now classed as Goodie Goodies.
Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmm ! Can you 'define' Protect. ! as in some area's That Protection is for the greater Good, ! -- However some of the Goodie Goodie, type 'protection' causes some Children Enormous Damage, and that damage goes on to be very dangerous and Detrimental to to society in general.
One example, here in Geelong, A young very disturbed young person, Of 13 years old, with more than 120 serious offences to his name already, has just been released back into the community, as because of his age, there is no place to keep him, for his own safety, and the safety of the community, !! -- These are serious offences, he has committed, including many cases of Arson, many cases of violence, against the elderly ] Many cases of Animal Cruelty, where he said in his statment, he likesto strangle animals to death, and listen to them take their last breath, and he also admits to commiting Beastiality' Now naturally the Geelong Public does not know who this person is, or where in the Geelong community he is living, However for the sake of my Family, My House, and my Animals, I sincerly hope it is Nowhere near me !! PS, this person has over the years been through our Goodie, Goodie type protection, and this is the result delivered back to the community,
-- Edited by dazren on Sunday 8th of February 2015 03:39:22 PM
In the direction you're pushing it is my guess
All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught. If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.
Iza
Izabarack wrote, --- All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught. If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.
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They authorities, and do-gooders TAKE AWAY the parents rights to to disipline the children So i take it you mean the authorities, and do-gooders are the ones to be charged,,
Hmm ! yeh, I would agree with that,
You could be dead right there, We had our house broken into few years back, it must have been a kid because entry was gained through the doggie door which I had installed in the rear door,
this little door only measured 200mm x 400mm, after this person got through it must have only taken a couple of seconds for them to kick in an inner locked sliding door then steal a couple of thousand bucks worth of our possessions, this included the Video recorder a small T.V. also a whole collection of the wife's John Wayne Video Tapes,( over 50 ) nothing was ever recovered,I would say with-out a doubt, there was an adult involved because of the amount of items taken, could not have been handled by one person. and it only took them less than 10 min from the time the wife locked up and returned, to find one hell of a mess through-out the house,
By the way, the flaming Dog was happy, they gave him a whole pack of frozen mince which had been left out to defrost,
K.J.
-- Edited by kiwijims on Sunday 8th of February 2015 07:04:27 PM
1 - Any one classed 2 young to be charged should have the parents Pay the Price... as it is the parents that are supposed to be in charge of the kid's..
2 - introduce the strike system similar to the USofA.. 3 strikes and your out....
If they are of age to be charged.. Yes Send them to a work farm and give them time.... - Force them to have 2 choices.. Learn a Trade or Learn in the class room... B plus.. to get rewards...
It's better to teach them than what it is to not do anything...
Australia needs to pull it's head out of the sand and stop being a nanny state...
- We are far to lax on how we treat the crime's.. They have far to many right's.. Far more than our kids have..
I'm going to cope some flack here...
WE NEED TO BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, We have grown to lax and are doing nothing for the career criminals.. Especial those that have what I would class a capital crime... I could go and name hand fulls of people that deserve to be killed for what they have done...
End of Rant...
juergen
"HERE HERE" WELL SAID !!!!!
K.J.
"HERE HERE" WELL SAID !!!!! Juergen...Something has to be done..
Aussie Paul.
Cheers
Recoup wrote, --- Judges and Lawyers ruining Australia , think about it .
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I could not agree anymore Recoup, ! Our Police do a fantastic job of catching real bad criminals, and for what, !! as soon as it gets to court, the judges ans Lawyers return them to the street,Because our Gaols are chock a block full, It costs BIG $$$$ to lock them up, some reports say around 95 to 110 thousand dollars per prisoner. !!! I think we should build more prisons, of a low Low risk type prisoners, 'ie' embezzlment, driving offences, petty crimes, etc,etc, Then leave our hardcore prisons for Hardcore Criminals, and STOP making them like 5 star hotels, To hell with civil liberties for anyone who commits serious crimes against Anyone,
Dave
Good job you didn't put money on it LOL.
A little bit of fear certainly taught me right from wrong
Thanks everyone for your input on this. I think I'll close this now.