BREAKING: Sydney is in lockdown as a Jihadi flag flies inside the window of a busy cafe in Sydney's Martin Place where two gunmen are holding up to 50 people hostage.
I hope there is a good out come
and that they send the bastard to kingdom come
John
bronnie said
01:58 PM Dec 15, 2014
Yes thinking of the hostages in Lindt cafe Sydney.
And as for the gunman, I am with John on that...
Bronnie
clarence said
02:16 PM Dec 15, 2014
Agree with you john shoot him if he has the guts to show his head.
vic
Travel Bug said
02:25 PM Dec 15, 2014
How terrifying for those poor hostages. Thinking of them and hoping for their safety.
-- Edited by Travel Bug on Monday 15th of December 2014 02:43:47 PM
-- Edited by Travel Bug on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 08:16:53 AM
DMaxer said
02:45 PM Dec 15, 2014
Is there a country in the World which these type have improved? They completely stuff up their own land with some ancient mindset and then when that place is beyond help come out and try to do the same here.
milo said
02:56 PM Dec 15, 2014
just checked with my family ,my brother in law works in the cbd but is usually out by mid morning ,
and missed all this ,thankfully all my other family are ok as far as I know..
just hope this works out for every one involved...
aussietraveller said
02:58 PM Dec 15, 2014
This is another mindless act by an imbecile who thinks he can achieve something for some insane and totally moronic cause the only good to come from this is channel 7 has not been playing any commercials.
we hope and pray that all of the hostages are safe and released soon
Sheba said
08:30 PM Dec 15, 2014
Sorry John, but the Flag in question is not a Jihadi Flag. It has been Hi-jacked by Jihadists, which will be why this individual is using it. It would be good if people did some proper research before making incorrect assertions.
Cheers,
Sheba.
Wizardofoz said
08:47 PM Dec 15, 2014
Sheba wrote:
Sorry John, but the Flag in question is not a Jihadi Flag. It has been Hi-jacked by Jihadists, which will be why this individual is using it. It would be good if people did some proper research before making incorrect assertions.
Cheers,
Sheba.
So it's a Shahada flag...could you please explain the difference?
dorian said
09:16 PM Dec 15, 2014
Sheba wrote:
Sorry John, but the Flag in question is not a Jihadi Flag. It has been Hi-jacked by Jihadists, which will be why this individual is using it. It would be good if people did some proper research before making incorrect assertions.
Interesting point.
Why the black Shahada flag doesn't belong to Islamic State militants:
The Shahada flag contains the testimony of the Islamic creed, declaring belief in the oneness of God and the acceptance of Mohammed as God's prophet.
New South Wales Premier Mike Baird says his government is considering banning the flag.
"It is a flag that is used by ISIS and ultimately that we have to respond to and have a zero tolerance to," he says.
I would have to agree with Baird, given the inflammatory symbolism that the flag evokes. In fact we don't have to try too hard to find a parallel. For example, how would people feel about seeing a swastika on a flag?
That said, the shahada appears on the Saudi flag. Would we prevent the Saudi embassy from flying their flag in Australia?
I think perhaps a way to explain the Shahada flag is to use an example used by a Muslim on the news this arvo.
Shahada flag simply contains the statement - Allah is god and there is only one god. Mohammed is just the messenger. To use it in the 'context' this person seems to be using it is considered complete blasphemy by Muslims.
To use the Shahada flag as this person has done is like placing a Christian cross on someone's lawn and setting it alight to cause fear.
And I doubt there were ever 50 hostages ... reports have ranged from 13 to 10. Now 5 have 'escaped/released' so no one seems to know exactly.
Just my very personal opinion ... but looking at the photos on TV of the 'hostage taker' with the bandanna on his head, he seems to look almost Caucasian.
It is interesting that, from the little we are being told, he does not seem to have made any demands, hasn't blown anything up and hasn't shot, wounded or killed anyone - and he has been in there for HOURS!
I am waiting to find out just what this bloke is on about. Perhaps he is simply complaining about the quality of the coffee he has experienced on previous visits.
Perhaps he is making a point about his ex. Perhaps he is a frenzied terrorist.
Whichever way it turns out ... he is certainly irrational and disturbed - and probably in need of considerable help
He must have been spooked by police or someone in authority to duck into a coffee shop. He wouldn't he expecting an after-life with tent-clad, overweight hairy virgins (virgins?!) for monstering a gaggle of soy cafe latte (Mongolian beans, skinny if you mind) sippers, would he? The gutless believer must have had one of the significant targets in the immediate area as his target but things went pear-shaped and panic prevailed.
I fear for those people. This fellow is scared, amateurish and more likely to do something very stupid by the hour.
Always astounded though by the media's ability to regurgitate the same stale stuff hour after hour. Bet they break out and start producing stuff that exasperates the police and threatens success. Quite probably the idiotic media is already doing that but I refuse to watch.
Success is getting all of the hapless victims of this vicious criminal out in one piece and well.
As a plus, success should include that the media doesn't give him the notoriety he craves.
Sheba said
11:51 PM Dec 15, 2014
dorian wrote:
The swastika appears in numerous forms including on a flag of the Finnish Air Force and in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
Swastika is a Sun symbol which was used for hundreds of years before the Nazis came to power. They reversed it, to use it for their own Occult purposes.
Cheers,
Sheba.
Aus-Kiwi said
12:44 AM Dec 16, 2014
HM the Nazis got the symbal facing the wrong way..
hope hostiges come out fine..
-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 12:47:14 AM
Igo said
02:40 AM Dec 16, 2014
Police stormed the Café at 2.30AM Sydney Time, shots, stun grenades fired, several people taken away by ambulance, bomb robot brought in, see also; http://www.abc.net.au/news/
milo said
02:54 AM Dec 16, 2014
been watching on tv all night
its been totally unbelievable , Like nothing I have seen in my life time... like ,
you see this over seas, but never here..
was hoping for a peaceful ending ... but doesn't look that way, cant describe how it was watching all this...
Big praise to go to our Elite police and emergency guys and all that .... ..
-- Edited by milo on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 02:56:14 AM
Two hostages and the gunman at the centre of a 16-hour siege at a cafe in Sydney's CBD were shot dead when armed police stormed the building, police have confirmed. Loud explosions and yelling could be heard from outside the Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Sydney's Martin Place about 2:00am (AEDT). Hostages ran from the building and paramedics treated a number of them and transported them to hospital. The man responsible was earlier named as Man Haron Monis, a self-declared Iranian cleric on bail for a string of violent offences.
Blues Man said
07:15 AM Dec 16, 2014
I feel very saddened by the loss of those poor young hostages .I offer my condolences to the families of those people who were caught up in this horrific incident .
I pray that they will receive some peace of mind in these very trying times,which they must be going through at this time.
Blues man.
rockylizard said
07:43 AM Dec 16, 2014
Gday...
It is very sad that two hostages had to die in this senseless episode and I can't imagine how the hostages felt during that siege. My thoughts go especially to the parents and families.
I guess it had to come down to an unfortunate "shoot out" ultimately.
I said earlier ".....Whichever way it turns out ... he is certainly irrational and disturbed - and probably in need of considerable help"
We are way too soft. Bring back the death penalty. Larry
While I'm in favour of the death penalty, I fail to see how it would deter a suicide bomber or a deranged zealot like the "fake sheikh".
deverall11 said
09:42 AM Dec 16, 2014
dorian wrote:
deverall11 wrote:
We are way too soft. Bring back the death penalty. Larry
While I'm in favour of the death penalty, I fail to see how it would deter a suicide bomber or a deranged zealot like the "fake sheikh".
The idea would be to limit/deny the media exposure they are all seeking and dispose of them quietly. No fanfare.
deverall11 said
09:44 AM Dec 16, 2014
Jenzarl wrote:
I have just turned the TV off sick of the coverage.
You guys sitting by a dam, creek, river, lake or seaside have the right idea.
I intensely dislike having my emotions manipulated by media organizations to suit their rating hunger
And refuse to be sucked into voyeurism
All that said very difficult for those involved
Same coverage on all channels with so called 'expert' commentary, yep I'm with you on that one.
Roving-Dutchy said
10:04 AM Dec 16, 2014
When we deny bail to a convicted criminal who is up on charges again after serving time, these criminals would not be on our streets to perpetuate further criminal acts.
Our justice system seems to be too soft on repeat offenders, I believe in the 3 strikes and your in for life, too many murders are being committed by repeat offenders.
My heart goes out the families who have just lost a loved one, I cannot imagine what they must now be going through at this time.
Cheers
David
Monis, who was granted political asylum in Australia, was on bail for a string of violent offences, including being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. He was also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges and had a conviction for sending offensive letters to families of deceased Australian soldiers.
One has to wonder how such a person could be granted bail and whether the judge should be held culpable for the events that followed.
That said, it appears that Monis's claimed mistreatment in prison may have significantly contributed to his state of mind.
Mr Conditsis said Monis claimed to have suffered poor treatment while in prison. "He was put through let's say some very unpleasant events, involving matters of excrement over himself and his cell ..."
It remains to be seen whether this is true. In fact an Iranian Bahai friend tells me that his own family suffered this same kind of persecution at the hands of Muslims in Iran, so this would suggest that it may be a "Muslim thing".
What I do notice is that the authorities are at great pains to write off this whole affair as the act of a lone lunatic. That's the same approach that was taken after a lone gunman recently killed a dozen people at a US Navy facility where he was employed as a contactor. Perhaps I was the only one to notice the initial news reports where the gunman's room mate said that he was angry because he hadn't been paid. Subsequent reports completely ignored this observation, preferring to focus on the "voices" in the gunman's head. My suspicion is that the last straw that finally separated this person from his sanity, and 12 people from their lives, were probably a few mouseclicks or keystrokes from some lazy, good-for-nothing deskjockey.
Fastcoach said
10:37 AM Dec 16, 2014
With all the knowledge the NSW police and other agencies had about this individual, why was he not more closely watched? How was he able to obtain a firearm in the first place? Why, was he out on bail given the nature of the crimes he was charged with? Why, when the police marksmen had a clear and uninterrupted view of him earlier in the day, didn't they shoot him at that point? I think some of the negotiators believe they can talk anyone down regardless of how deranged the person is.
There are so many unanswered questions surrounding this awful incident. I feel for the victims and their families and hope that those in the courts and those who watch over us learn a lot from what happened yesterday.
BREAKING: Sydney is in lockdown as a Jihadi flag flies inside the window of a busy cafe in Sydney's Martin Place where two gunmen are holding up to 50 people hostage.
I hope there is a good out come
and that they send the bastard to kingdom come
John
And as for the gunman, I am with John on that...
Bronnie
Agree with you john shoot him if he has the guts to show his head.
vic
How terrifying for those poor hostages. Thinking of them and hoping for their safety.
-- Edited by Travel Bug on Monday 15th of December 2014 02:43:47 PM
-- Edited by Travel Bug on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 08:16:53 AM
Is there a country in the World which these type have improved? They completely stuff up their own land with some ancient mindset and then when that place is beyond help come out and try to do the same here.
and missed all this ,thankfully all my other family are ok as far as I know..
just hope this works out for every one involved...
we hope and pray that all of the hostages are safe and released soon
Sorry John, but the Flag in question is not a Jihadi Flag. It has been Hi-jacked by Jihadists, which will be why this individual is using it. It would be good if people did some proper research before making incorrect assertions.
Cheers,
Sheba.
So it's a Shahada flag...could you please explain the difference?
Interesting point.
Why the black Shahada flag doesn't belong to Islamic State militants:
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/09/10/why-black-shahada-flag-doesnt-belong-islamic-state-militants
I would have to agree with Baird, given the inflammatory symbolism that the flag evokes. In fact we don't have to try too hard to find a parallel. For example, how would people feel about seeing a swastika on a flag?
That said, the shahada appears on the Saudi flag. Would we prevent the Saudi embassy from flying their flag in Australia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia
The swastika appears in numerous forms including on a flag of the Finnish Air Force and in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Training_Air_Wing,_Finnish_Air_Force
Gday...
I think perhaps a way to explain the Shahada flag is to use an example used by a Muslim on the news this arvo.
Shahada flag simply contains the statement - Allah is god and there is only one god. Mohammed is just the messenger. To use it in the 'context' this person seems to be using it is considered complete blasphemy by Muslims.
To use the Shahada flag as this person has done is like placing a Christian cross on someone's lawn and setting it alight to cause fear.
And I doubt there were ever 50 hostages ... reports have ranged from 13 to 10. Now 5 have 'escaped/released' so no one seems to know exactly.
Just my very personal opinion ... but looking at the photos on TV of the 'hostage taker' with the bandanna on his head, he seems to look almost Caucasian.
It is interesting that, from the little we are being told, he does not seem to have made any demands, hasn't blown anything up and hasn't shot, wounded or killed anyone - and he has been in there for HOURS!
I am waiting to find out just what this bloke is on about. Perhaps he is simply complaining about the quality of the coffee he has experienced on previous visits.
Perhaps he is making a point about his ex. Perhaps he is a frenzied terrorist.
Whichever way it turns out ... he is certainly irrational and disturbed - and probably in need of considerable help
Cheers - John
Gday...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/muslim-community-reacts-to-sydney-siege/5968974
Cheers - John
I fear for those people. This fellow is scared, amateurish and more likely to do something very stupid by the hour.
Always astounded though by the media's ability to regurgitate the same stale stuff hour after hour. Bet they break out and start producing stuff that exasperates the police and threatens success. Quite probably the idiotic media is already doing that but I refuse to watch.
Success is getting all of the hapless victims of this vicious criminal out in one piece and well.
As a plus, success should include that the media doesn't give him the notoriety he craves.
HM the Nazis got the symbal facing the wrong way..
hope hostiges come out fine..
-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 12:47:14 AM
Police stormed the Café at 2.30AM Sydney Time, shots, stun grenades fired, several people taken away by ambulance, bomb robot brought in, see also; http://www.abc.net.au/news/
been watching on tv all night
its been totally unbelievable , Like nothing I have seen in my life time... like ,
you see this over seas, but never here..
was hoping for a peaceful ending ... but doesn't look that way, cant describe how it was watching all this...
Big praise to go to our Elite police and emergency guys and all that .... ..
-- Edited by milo on Tuesday 16th of December 2014 02:56:14 AM
I feel very saddened by the loss of those poor young hostages .I offer my condolences to the families of those people who were caught up in this horrific incident .
I pray that they will receive some peace of mind in these very trying times,which they must be going through at this time.
Blues man.
Gday...
It is very sad that two hostages had to die in this senseless episode and I can't imagine how the hostages felt during that siege. My thoughts go especially to the parents and families.
I guess it had to come down to an unfortunate "shoot out" ultimately.
I said earlier ".....Whichever way it turns out ... he is certainly irrational and disturbed - and probably in need of considerable help"
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/iranian-man-haron-monis-named-as-man-behind-sydney-siege/5969246
Let's hope other "unbalanced fundamentals" ... of any persuasion ... don't gain courage to also seek such world-wide attention at our expense.
Cheers - John
Larry
I have just turned the TV off sick of the coverage.
You guys sitting by a dam, creek, river, lake or seaside have the right idea.
I intensely dislike having my emotions manipulated by media organizations to suit their rating hunger
And refuse to be sucked into voyeurism
All that said very difficult for those involved
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/sydney-siege-islamic-flag-explained/5968010
While I'm in favour of the death penalty, I fail to see how it would deter a suicide bomber or a deranged zealot like the "fake sheikh".
The idea would be to limit/deny the media exposure they are all seeking and dispose of them quietly. No fanfare.
Same coverage on all channels with so called 'expert' commentary, yep I'm with you on that one.
Our justice system seems to be too soft on repeat offenders, I believe in the 3 strikes and your in for life, too many murders are being committed by repeat offenders.
My heart goes out the families who have just lost a loved one, I cannot imagine what they must now be going through at this time.
Cheers
David
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/iranian-man-haron-monis-named-as-man-behind-sydney-siege/5969246
One has to wonder how such a person could be granted bail and whether the judge should be held culpable for the events that followed.
That said, it appears that Monis's claimed mistreatment in prison may have significantly contributed to his state of mind.
It remains to be seen whether this is true. In fact an Iranian Bahai friend tells me that his own family suffered this same kind of persecution at the hands of Muslims in Iran, so this would suggest that it may be a "Muslim thing".
What I do notice is that the authorities are at great pains to write off this whole affair as the act of a lone lunatic. That's the same approach that was taken after a lone gunman recently killed a dozen people at a US Navy facility where he was employed as a contactor. Perhaps I was the only one to notice the initial news reports where the gunman's room mate said that he was angry because he hadn't been paid. Subsequent reports completely ignored this observation, preferring to focus on the "voices" in the gunman's head. My suspicion is that the last straw that finally separated this person from his sanity, and 12 people from their lives, were probably a few mouseclicks or keystrokes from some lazy, good-for-nothing deskjockey.
There are so many unanswered questions surrounding this awful incident. I feel for the victims and their families and hope that those in the courts and those who watch over us learn a lot from what happened yesterday.