Nice to see the response of ordinary people to a truly confrontational situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZVqUU_R9Vc
An interview with the video makers can be found here: https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/25187893/islamophobia-not-welcome-in-australia/
Dave
Glenelg said
06:55 PM Oct 9, 2014
sorry i disagree , they should live like we do. go to there country we would have our hands cut off.
Cloak said
07:17 PM Oct 9, 2014
In a word it's called... Integration. I don't see any of that going on.
GaryKelly said
09:23 PM Oct 9, 2014
I watched that video D&D and was gonna say that I thought the responses from Aussies towards the bigot were selective and not representative of mainstream Australians. But after reading the other comments on this thread it looks like I don't need to.
D and D said
10:02 PM Oct 9, 2014
Its a sad day then if Aussies are the bigots you people seem to think they are.
PJK said
11:34 PM Oct 9, 2014
You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???
The crowd reaction was real, and correct - good on the average guys and gals in the street.
I have a Pakistani Islamic son in law, and whilst he is not perfect, he is a good man, as are the rest of his family.
He has his religious beliefs, and we have ours. We live with that knowledge.
My daughters kids are being brought up to respect all religions.
They attend a Catholic school (we are not Catholics), and they learn Urdu via on line classes of an evening.
There are good and bad in all communities, and the silent majority cannot be blamed for the insidious deeds of the small minority of extremists.
That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.
Peter
PJK
GaryKelly said
08:08 AM Oct 10, 2014
The problem with tolerance is that if others have a right to be respected for their differences, then bigots have that right too. Hehe. It's all so confusing. However, I think the issue with the bloke in the video was not so much about his being a bigot but being a bully. And we all hate bullies, right? I certainly do. And if I see someone being bullied I have no hesitation in coming to their rescue. I don't think tolerance is something that comes naturally to some people, so they need to be educated. PJK's Pakistani son in law is a good example of that. Once we get to know people, and realize they're just like the rest of us, then our suspicions and superstitions evaporate. That's not to say all people are okay, of course. But the vast majority are... or so I'd like to believe.
-- Edited by GaryKelly on Friday 10th of October 2014 08:09:48 AM
Vic41 said
09:02 AM Oct 10, 2014
PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???
Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.
My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.
Bryan said
09:25 AM Oct 10, 2014
Vic41 wrote:
PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???
Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.
My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.
Ditto Vic
aussie_paul said
10:49 AM Oct 10, 2014
Vic41 wrote:
PJK wrote:
Snip......You all do realise that the video was a set up, don't you???
Snip.....That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.
My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.
Too true Vic.
Aussie Paul.
rockylizard said
11:04 AM Oct 10, 2014
Gday...
A bit off topic.
If you subject yourself to the trauma of watching the TV news take notice to the crowd scenes in any of the middle east countries that are "in strife".
Similarly, take notice of any crowd scenes in Indonesia. Also take notice of any female 'representative' of any Muslim 'organisation' interviewed - very rarely do this high-ranking women of the Muslim faith wearing burqa/hijab ... even a head scarf often.
I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.
So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya?
Cheers - John
Vic41 said
11:24 AM Oct 10, 2014
rockylizard wrote:
I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.
Then you should go to Hungry Jacks.....the burqua's are better at Hungry Jacks, sorry I couldn't resist that
Actually a young muslim girl works at our local Hungry Jacks who wears a hijab and she is a delight, very friendly and nice, especially to us old farts!
rockylizard said
11:30 AM Oct 10, 2014
Gday...
Sorry Vic - I guess I have been confusing again (It seems to be my predominant, and frustrating, trait )
When I say - I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.
I mean that is when watching the TV news crowd scenes in the Muslim countries - not within Straya.
Which prompted my closing comment before - So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya?
Cheers - John
GaryKelly said
01:39 PM Oct 10, 2014
I agree, Vic. IS should be eliminated, and the sooner the better. But back to my tolerance comment, IS is a bully, and all bullies no matter what their religion, culture or politics, lose any right to tolerance.
Vic41 said
02:38 PM Oct 10, 2014
My apologies too John, I understood what you meant, I was being flippant, some Muslim countries burqa's aren't worn in general, eg; Malaysia, Indonesia etc, but in other Muslim countries they are the norm, so a lot depends on the country. In some they appear to be a mixture of both.
My own thoughts is that in Australia they should not be worn for security reasons, particularly banks etc (those with crash helmets have to remove them).
Just go give you a scenario, a burqa wearer has a driving licence but is not required to show her face when driving, so any family member or friend could drive her car unlicenced without a policeman being able to ask her to remove it at a roadside licence check etc. I think the burka has to be removed (the face part) for a driving licence photo, but can the police the face be revealed at a police licence roadcheck?
The driver is not going to show up on a speed camera photo either so how can they prove who is driving, other than a licence check of the owner of the car which only proves who owns it? Are they going to interview every driver they can't identify in the photo etc?
I understand their culture in some demands they wear them, however how is that compatible with Australian culture and law requirements etc, it is a very perplexing subject and I really don't know the answer to it.
Gary, agree about tolerance, but IS are not just bullies, they are cold blooded and ruthless killers as well.
-- Edited by Vic41 on Friday 10th of October 2014 02:42:30 PM
Cloak said
05:04 PM Oct 10, 2014
I plan to get very old and expire somewhere very remote away from all these do gooders who are falling over themselves to sell us short.
But, the video is not about security matters, is is not about the burqa, it is not about IS it is about people being abused because of their appearance and I thought it was great that the abuser was challenged by the ordinary people on the streets who refused to support his bigotted rants.
Vic41 said
06:00 PM Oct 10, 2014
1. I for one am well aware of the different modes of Muslim women's outer clothing and I am sure others here are also..
2. So speed camera's can see through burqa's now when they take a pic?
3. NSW traffic laws may not be the same in every state, still not ideal even then IMHO.
4. I stand behind my opinion of the video, it only fuels the fire IMHO and could be pirated and doctored for radicals propaganda purposes.
Webmaster said
06:27 PM Oct 10, 2014
Thanks for your input, everyone. I think I'll close this now.
Nice to see the response of ordinary people to a truly confrontational situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZVqUU_R9Vc
An interview with the video makers can be found here: https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/25187893/islamophobia-not-welcome-in-australia/
Dave
The crowd reaction was real, and correct - good on the average guys and gals in the street.
I have a Pakistani Islamic son in law, and whilst he is not perfect, he is a good man, as are the rest of his family.
He has his religious beliefs, and we have ours. We live with that knowledge.
My daughters kids are being brought up to respect all religions.
They attend a Catholic school (we are not Catholics), and they learn Urdu via on line classes of an evening.
There are good and bad in all communities, and the silent majority cannot be blamed for the insidious deeds of the small minority of extremists.
That said, the Islamic State has to be stopped, quickly and permanently.
Peter
PJK
The problem with tolerance is that if others have a right to be respected for their differences, then bigots have that right too. Hehe. It's all so confusing. However, I think the issue with the bloke in the video was not so much about his being a bigot but being a bully. And we all hate bullies, right? I certainly do. And if I see someone being bullied I have no hesitation in coming to their rescue. I don't think tolerance is something that comes naturally to some people, so they need to be educated. PJK's Pakistani son in law is a good example of that. Once we get to know people, and realize they're just like the rest of us, then our suspicions and superstitions evaporate. That's not to say all people are okay, of course. But the vast majority are... or so I'd like to believe.
-- Edited by GaryKelly on Friday 10th of October 2014 08:09:48 AM
My only concern is the media doing that video has given material that can be cut and selected for IS or similar groups to use in propaganda (a new video). I believe it was a silly thing for the media to do in the first place.
Regards IS, imagine the further havoc and terror it could do if it took to the air with captured fighter or bomber planes etc. The quicker the world eradicates them or destroys their capabilities the better for everyone whatever their backgrounds and beliefs.
Ditto Vic
Too true Vic.
Aussie Paul.
Gday...
A bit off topic.
If you subject yourself to the trauma of watching the TV news take notice to the crowd scenes in any of the middle east countries that are "in strife".
Similarly, take notice of any crowd scenes in Indonesia. Also take notice of any female 'representative' of any Muslim 'organisation' interviewed - very rarely do this high-ranking women of the Muslim faith wearing burqa/hijab ... even a head scarf often.
I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.
So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya?
Cheers - John
Then you should go to Hungry Jacks.....the burqua's are better at Hungry Jacks, sorry I couldn't resist that
Actually a young muslim girl works at our local Hungry Jacks who wears a hijab and she is a delight, very friendly and nice, especially to us old farts!
Gday...
When I say - I play a game - spot the burqa or hijab. I very rarely see one being worn.
I mean that is when watching the TV news crowd scenes in the Muslim countries - not within Straya.
Which prompted my closing comment before - So, if the Muslim women in those countries are not wearing these garments ... why are they so 'popular' in Straya?
Cheers - John
My apologies too John, I understood what you meant, I was being flippant, some Muslim countries burqa's aren't worn in general, eg; Malaysia, Indonesia etc, but in other Muslim countries they are the norm, so a lot depends on the country. In some they appear to be a mixture of both.
My own thoughts is that in Australia they should not be worn for security reasons, particularly banks etc (those with crash helmets have to remove them).
Just go give you a scenario, a burqa wearer has a driving licence but is not required to show her face when driving, so any family member or friend could drive her car unlicenced without a policeman being able to ask her to remove it at a roadside licence check etc. I think the burka has to be removed (the face part) for a driving licence photo, but can the police the face be revealed at a police licence roadcheck?
The driver is not going to show up on a speed camera photo either so how can they prove who is driving, other than a licence check of the owner of the car which only proves who owns it? Are they going to interview every driver they can't identify in the photo etc?
I understand their culture in some demands they wear them, however how is that compatible with Australian culture and law requirements etc, it is a very perplexing subject and I really don't know the answer to it.
Gary, agree about tolerance, but IS are not just bullies, they are cold blooded and ruthless killers as well.
-- Edited by Vic41 on Friday 10th of October 2014 02:42:30 PM
But, the video is not about security matters, is is not about the burqa, it is not about IS it is about people being abused because of their appearance and I thought it was great that the abuser was challenged by the ordinary people on the streets who refused to support his bigotted rants.
1. I for one am well aware of the different modes of Muslim women's outer clothing and I am sure others here are also..
2. So speed camera's can see through burqa's now when they take a pic?
3. NSW traffic laws may not be the same in every state, still not ideal even then IMHO.
4. I stand behind my opinion of the video, it only fuels the fire IMHO and could be pirated and doctored for radicals propaganda purposes.
Thanks for your input, everyone. I think I'll close this now.