I was refuelling this morning when the pump shut off after adding a small amount of fuel. I got eye contact with the console operator and gestured a shrug and pointed to the pump.
He looked at his screen and waved me to come inside which I did and he informed me my rego was read by their cameras and it was determined my car had it's rego cancelled
and they were not allowed to fill it. This was news to me so I took a detour down to VicRoads and sure enough it was way overdue so I payed it on the spot.
When I got home the little lady confessed it was in the "pending" pile in the study.
I had no idea they could / would do this. I guess the motto is keep up to date with your rego....
aussietraveller said
11:57 AM Oct 3, 2014
I wonder what else is connected to what so that our every move can be tracked and recorded for what ever they decide to use it for and we were silly enough to think we live in a democracy but then again if we believe what we are told this action at the servo will prevent terrorists too they wont be able to by petrol for terrorist activities if their Car, Van of truck is unregistered.
Next thing will be secret Police and Cameras at Coles and Woolworths to stop you buying Food if your Car or Caravan rego has expired especially if you are in another state away from home base, because only a terrorist would not pay the registration on their vehicles.
I really must be careful and only take the registered one next time I need to buy fuel.
DeBe said
12:00 PM Oct 3, 2014
At least you get a warning, here in SA its an instant $1000 fine. A lot of SA police vehicles have auto plate recognition cameras.
-- Edited by DeBe on Friday 3rd of October 2014 12:01:28 PM
Roving-Dutchy said
12:59 PM Oct 3, 2014
Its a big fine in NSW also with most police cars having automatic number plate recognition, so you were lucky to get picked up at the servo instead of the highway.
Cheers
David
The Hats said
01:05 PM Oct 3, 2014
Roving-Dutchy wrote:
Its a big fine in NSW also with most police cars having automatic number plate recognition, so you were lucky to get picked up at the servo instead of the highway. Cheers David
Lucky my ass the servo has no right to that info at all tat is a breach of the privacy act for sure. It would be no different that going to Bunnings to by some thing and the bloke saying ."hang on mate i'll scan your number plate to see if I can sell you these nails" I would be demanding an answer from the servo concerned and ask them who gave them permission to have access to my personal info
Cheers
The Hats
Ron
deverall11 said
01:25 PM Oct 3, 2014
The Hats wrote:
Lucky my ass the servo has no right to that info at all tat is a breach of the privacy act for sure. It would be no different that going to Bunnings to by some thing and the bloke saying ."hang on mate i'll scan your number plate to see if I can sell you these nails" I would be demanding an answer from the servo concerned and ask them who gave them permission to have access to my personal info
Cheers
The Hats
Ron
Could be a breach of privacy if they also have access to your address. If you log onto the Dept of Trans WA, there is a facility for you to enter a number plate and check the same details.
Larry
2foot6 said
01:44 PM Oct 3, 2014
A few months ago,we had the sherriffs vehicle from another town driving through the safeway carpark checking vehicles by number plate recognition cameras.A number of wheel clamps where fitted and a police motorbike was waiting around the corner.Our town has a population of 4000 people.I assume the clamps where fitted for unpaid rego or unpaid fines etc ,etc.I guess it's a good thing those who avoid paying fines are getting to (hopefully) pay there dues to society,but how much of our privacy has gone. .......... My next question is ,how do you get these darn wheel clamps off?......cheers Peter
Glenelg said
02:00 PM Oct 3, 2014
pay up , the only way i would say.
Vic41 said
03:06 PM Oct 3, 2014
Cloak wrote:
I was refuelling this morning when the pump shut off after adding a small amount of fuel. I got eye contact with the console operator and gestured a shrug and pointed to the pump.
He looked at his screen and waved me to come inside which I did and he informed me my rego was read by their cameras and it was determined my car had it's rego cancelled
and they were not allowed to fill it. This was news to me so I took a detour down to VicRoads and sure enough it was way overdue so I payed it on the spot.
When I got home the little lady confessed it was in the "pending" pile in the study.
I had no idea they could / would do this. I guess the motto is keep up to date with your rego....
Mind boggling, could have saved you big bucks insurance/traffic fine wise if you had an accident without being aware of it....
Cloak said
03:09 PM Oct 3, 2014
Vic41 wrote:
Mind boggling, could have saved you big bucks insurance/traffic fine wise if you had an accident without being aware of it....
Thats how I took it Vic and why I cancelled my appointment and went straight in to see VicRoads...
On reflection though there are a few privacy issues, then I have nothing to hide I guess.
PJK said
03:18 PM Oct 3, 2014
IMHO you can think yourself lucky to get away without a fine.
I accept that it happened accidentally in your case, but you would be surprised at the amount of unregistered vehicles that are on the road. While these idiots are driving around free, and with no compulsory insurance, all of us honest people are subsidising them.
I hope the Police extend the service to pick up cars that have also been reported stolen, or are owned by people who default on their fines. That would take more idiots off the road.
Nothing to hide - nothing to fear.
Peter
PJK
03_troopy said
03:48 PM Oct 3, 2014
Whether you have anything to hide or not is totally irrelevant . Why should anyone, except the authorities, have access to such information.
Big Gorilla said
04:03 PM Oct 3, 2014
Unbelievable !!!!
aussie_paul said
04:09 PM Oct 3, 2014
PJK wrote:
IMHO you can think yourself lucky to get away without a fine. I accept that it happened accidentally in your case, but you would be surprised at the amount of unregistered vehicles that are on the road. While these idiots are driving around free, and with no compulsory insurance, all of us honest people are subsidising them. I hope the Police extend the service to pick up cars that have also been reported stolen, or are owned by people who default on their fines. That would take more idiots off the road.
Nothing to hide - nothing to fear.
Peter PJK
Yep...
Aussie Paul.
Plendo said
04:36 PM Oct 3, 2014
I have heard if you have unpaid fines they now cancel your rego, and with this type of capability across service stations I guess they will quickly catch up with the villains. I suppose a few forgetful people will get reminders in the process.
Now on the issue of privacy.... WHAT PRIVACY do people fool themselves into thinking they have, I reckon it is better to just accept it, as you can not fight it.
They know so much about who you are, where you are, what you spend your money on, what your interests are, etc.
JRH said
04:44 PM Oct 3, 2014
Plendo wrote:
I have heard if you have unpaid fines they now cancel your rego, and with this type of capability across service stations I guess they will quickly catch up with the villains. I suppose a few forgetful people will get reminders in the process.
Now on the issue of privacy.... WHAT PRIVACY do people fool themselves into thinking they have, I reckon it is better to just accept it, as you can not fight it.
They know so much about who you are, where you are, what you spend your money on, what your interests are, etc.
For unpaid fines in WA they cancel your driving license.
Dougwe said
04:50 PM Oct 3, 2014
How,
If Big Brother was watching you Cloak does that mean that Sonia Cougar was there too
Mate Big Brother is everywhere these days......and to think not that many moons ago the Government wanted Australia Card.
Cloak said
05:00 PM Oct 3, 2014
heheh @ Doug.
I looked around but no 'ahem' Sonia, just me and my new best friend Indian console operator.
Overall I'm not offended by the experience just a bit numb at the being watched thing....
Oh well a bit of excitement for an old bloke.
Vic41 said
05:06 PM Oct 3, 2014
Cloak wrote:
Vic41 wrote:
Mind boggling, could have saved you big bucks insurance/traffic fine wise if you had an accident without being aware of it....
Thats how I took it Vic and why I cancelled my appointment and went straight in to see VicRoads...
On reflection though there are a few privacy issues, then I have nothing to hide I guess.
Good attitude to have Cloak.....I would have some stern words with your "private secretary" though, LOL
Wombat 280 said
05:26 PM Oct 3, 2014
I really have not problem with any action taken to get unregistered and therefore uninsured vehicles off my roads . Have a friend who was involved in an accident with an unlicensed driver in and unregistered vehicle, although in the right what a nightmare to get their insurer to repair the damage.
They are about to introduce new police road accident attendance procedures in NSW which will now require the drivers to exchange details and only call the police if an ambulance is called or if you consider the other driver is under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so how do you do that assessment I ask . The entire road rule policing policy needs a complete overhaul and not just staff highway patrol based on departmental budgets , savings and overtime limits .
spida said
05:33 PM Oct 3, 2014
And in their wisdom they got rid of the window stickers that we could see and so had no excuse for forgetting to reregister!!!!!!
Delta18 said
05:38 PM Oct 3, 2014
Wombat 280 wrote:
They are about to introduce new police road accident attendance procedures in NSW which will now require the drivers to exchange details and only call the police if an ambulance is called or if you consider the other driver is under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so how do you do that assessment I ask . The entire road rule policing policy needs a complete overhaul and not just staff highway patrol based on departmental budgets , savings and overtime limits .
This has been policy in WA for many years. As well you only need to do a Police Crash report if there is over $3000 damage combined over all vehicles / property involved.
03_troopy said
05:47 PM Oct 3, 2014
I thought the original topic was to do with commercial businesses monitoring information they really shouldn't have any access to. Not whether getting unregistered vehicles off the road is a good thing.
Or am I inadvertently in the "I Digress" forum again?
Oz Gypsy said
06:52 PM Oct 3, 2014
03_troopy wrote:
I thought the original topic was to do with commercial businesses monitoring information they really shouldn't have any access to. Not whether getting unregistered vehicles off the road is a good thing. Or am I inadvertently in the "I Digress" forum again?
Anyone has the right to look up a rego number on the web and check if it is registered. Any prospective buyer of a vehicle has the right to check if it is registered or reported stolen.
Commercial businesses have the same rights as the ordinary citizen - and why should they not take steps to protect themselves against the fuel thieves who use stolen and unregistered cars so they cannot be traced.
Provided personal information is not also provided, I see no reason to complain if they are able to check whether or not the vehicle is registered.
DeBe said
07:14 PM Oct 3, 2014
Here in SA since theres no rego stickers you can go on the net & put any plate number in & it will tell you if the vehicle is registered or not. It doesn't give addresses only what the vehicle is & if its registered or not.
JannPaul said
07:50 PM Oct 3, 2014
There is no privacy act as such in Australia, only Common Law rights. Access to information regarding unregistered vehicles, if supplied by the Police to businesses, but not including personal information, would I believe, not breach the Common Law standards. But, we should all object as much as possible to excessive surveillance as what is legal today can be made illegal tomorrow. If a new law is made retroactive, then you may be in trouble.
dazz49 said
11:41 PM Oct 3, 2014
PJK wrote:
IMHO you can think yourself lucky to get away without a fine. I accept that it happened accidentally in your case, but you would be surprised at the amount of unregistered vehicles that are on the road. While these idiots are driving around free, and with no compulsory insurance, all of us honest people are subsidising them. I hope the Police extend the service to pick up cars that have also been reported stolen, or are owned by people who default on their fines. That would take more idiots off the road.
Nothing to hide - nothing to fear.
Peter PJK
In am with you Peter.
Nothing worse than being in an accident etc with an uninsured, unregistered and often unlicensed driver.
Daz
03_troopy said
07:16 AM Oct 4, 2014
JannPaul wrote:
There is no privacy act as such in Australia, only Common Law rights. Access to information regarding unregistered vehicles, if supplied by the Police to businesses, but not including personal information, would I believe, not breach the Common Law standards. But, we should all object as much as possible to excessive surveillance as what is legal today can be made illegal tomorrow. If a new law is made retroactive, then you may be in trouble.
You can add this to your collection......I recently bought a ute...did all the checks before paying up....anyway I got pulled over for a breathalizer and was then told the sheriff wanted to see me. As it turned out the previous owner had debts and the rego was tagged. The only way to remove it is to cancel the registration.
New rules to the game of life....
Cheers
George & fat dog
rockylizard said
08:53 AM Oct 4, 2014
Gday...
Are you suggesting that you became responsible for the fines etc of the previous owner?
Call me naive and yell me down - but, when a vehicle is purchased and the registration of that vehicle is transferred to the new owner, and recorded by VicRoads (or any of the state authorities) any and all debts such as traffic/parking/infringement fines incurred by the previous owner that occurred before that transfer of ownership, remain with the previous owner and do not transfer to the new owner.
Those outstanding transgressions remain the responsibility of the previous owner.
I was refuelling this morning when the pump shut off after adding a small amount of fuel. I got eye contact with the console operator and gestured a shrug and pointed to the pump.
He looked at his screen and waved me to come inside which I did and he informed me my rego was read by their cameras and it was determined my car had it's rego cancelled
and they were not allowed to fill it. This was news to me so I took a detour down to VicRoads and sure enough it was way overdue so I payed it on the spot.
When I got home the little lady confessed it was in the "pending" pile in the study.
I had no idea they could / would do this. I guess the motto is keep up to date with your rego....
Next thing will be secret Police and Cameras at Coles and Woolworths to stop you buying Food if your Car or Caravan rego has expired especially if you are in another state away from home base, because only a terrorist would not pay the registration on their vehicles.
I really must be careful and only take the registered one next time I need to buy fuel.
At least you get a warning, here in SA its an instant $1000 fine. A lot of SA police vehicles have auto plate recognition cameras.
-- Edited by DeBe on Friday 3rd of October 2014 12:01:28 PM
Cheers
David
Lucky my ass the servo has no right to that info at all tat is a breach of the privacy act for sure. It would be no different that going to Bunnings to by some thing and the bloke saying ."hang on mate i'll scan your number plate to see if I can sell you these nails" I would be demanding an answer from the servo concerned and ask them who gave them permission to have access to my personal info
Cheers
The Hats
Ron
Could be a breach of privacy if they also have access to your address. If you log onto the Dept of Trans WA, there is a facility for you to enter a number plate and check the same details.
Larry
A few months ago,we had the sherriffs vehicle from another town driving through the safeway carpark checking vehicles by number plate recognition cameras.A number of wheel clamps where fitted and a police motorbike was waiting around the corner.Our town has a population of 4000 people.I assume the clamps where fitted for unpaid rego or unpaid fines etc ,etc.I guess it's a good thing those who avoid paying fines are getting to (hopefully) pay there dues to society,but how much of our privacy has gone.
.......... My next question is ,how do you get these darn wheel clamps off?
......cheers Peter
Mind boggling, could have saved you big bucks insurance/traffic fine wise if you had an accident without being aware of it....
Thats how I took it Vic and why I cancelled my appointment and went straight in to see VicRoads...
On reflection though there are a few privacy issues, then I have nothing to hide I guess.
I accept that it happened accidentally in your case, but you would be surprised at the amount of unregistered vehicles that are on the road. While these idiots are driving around free, and with no compulsory insurance, all of us honest people are subsidising them.
I hope the Police extend the service to pick up cars that have also been reported stolen, or are owned by people who default on their fines. That would take more idiots off the road.
Nothing to hide - nothing to fear.
Peter
PJK
Unbelievable !!!!
Yep...
Aussie Paul.
I have heard if you have unpaid fines they now cancel your rego, and with this type of capability across service stations I guess they will quickly catch up with the villains. I suppose a few forgetful people will get reminders in the process.
Now on the issue of privacy.... WHAT PRIVACY do people fool themselves into thinking they have, I reckon it is better to just accept it, as you can not fight it.
They know so much about who you are, where you are, what you spend your money on, what your interests are, etc.
For unpaid fines in WA they cancel your driving license.
How,
If Big Brother was watching you Cloak does that mean that Sonia Cougar was there too
Mate Big Brother is everywhere these days......and to think not that many moons ago the Government wanted Australia Card.
I looked around but no 'ahem' Sonia, just me and my new best friend Indian console operator.
Overall I'm not offended by the experience just a bit numb at the being watched thing....
Oh well a bit of excitement for an old bloke.
Good attitude to have Cloak.....I would have some stern words with your "private secretary" though, LOL
They are about to introduce new police road accident attendance procedures in NSW which will now require the drivers to exchange details and only call the police if an ambulance is called or if you consider the other driver is under the influence of alcohol or drugs, so how do you do that assessment I ask . The entire road rule policing policy needs a complete overhaul and not just staff highway patrol based on departmental budgets , savings and overtime limits .
This has been policy in WA for many years. As well you only need to do a Police Crash report if there is over $3000 damage combined over all vehicles / property involved.
Or am I inadvertently in the "I Digress" forum again?
Anyone has the right to look up a rego number on the web and check if it is registered. Any prospective buyer of a vehicle has the right to check if it is registered or reported stolen.
Commercial businesses have the same rights as the ordinary citizen - and why should they not take steps to protect themselves against the fuel thieves who use stolen and unregistered cars so they cannot be traced.
Provided personal information is not also provided, I see no reason to complain if they are able to check whether or not the vehicle is registered.
In am with you Peter.
Nothing worse than being in an accident etc with an uninsured, unregistered and often unlicensed driver.
Daz
Well said
Gday...
Call me naive and yell me down
- but, when a vehicle is purchased and the registration of that vehicle is transferred to the new owner, and recorded by VicRoads (or any of the state authorities) any and all debts such as traffic/parking/infringement fines incurred by the previous owner that occurred before that transfer of ownership, remain with the previous owner and do not transfer to the new owner.
Those outstanding transgressions remain the responsibility of the previous owner.
Cheers - John