Paul, I'd ditch the coffee machine mate. That's a big user and that power could be used for a remote for that wiz bang chair of yours. Much better use of power
Instant coffee would use less power I reckon
aussie_paul said
05:00 PM Aug 23, 2014
Dougwe wrote:
Paul, I'd ditch the coffee machine mate. That's a big user and that power could be used for a remote for that wiz bang chair of yours. Much better use of power
Instant coffee would use less power I reckon
Not gonna happen Doug....
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 05:01:24 PM
Dougwe said
05:48 PM Aug 23, 2014
I didn't think you would part with your "U Beaut" coffee machine Paul.
Back on topic now.
Good info there Paul, Interesting to see the different current draws.
aussie_paul said
06:01 PM Aug 23, 2014
Yes Doug, I thought it might be interesting for some.
Aussie Paul.
Plendo said
06:34 PM Aug 23, 2014
Heating really does soak up power, I found the same, so plan to fit either a gas or diesel heater.
aussie_paul said
06:51 PM Aug 23, 2014
Plendo wrote:
Heating really does soak up power, I found the same, so plan to fit either a gas or diesel heater.
I reckon the diesel will be the way to go David...
Aussie Paul.
Plendo said
11:26 PM Aug 23, 2014
I have heard a bit about them having an annoying noisy (sound like a jet in the distance), and also being smelly outside. Just want to make sure I understand the options first.
Also there are cheap units on flea bay for about $800, or the expensive ones for $1,800 with ahat appears to be much better control systems. Not sure if the $800 one is ok or not.
Phil C said
11:40 AM Aug 24, 2014
Dougwe... go and wash your mouth out!! How could any sane nomad ditch the coffee machine? I would crawl over broken glass with a dead sheep on my back before I did that.. lol
BTW instant coffee should be renamed "Instant Dirt" yetch!! We had that famous international roast in our aircraft ration packs on P3s and Hercs. Those were the bad old days, mess food... YETCH!!!!
Safe travels
-- Edited by Phil C on Sunday 24th of August 2014 11:43:20 AM
Plendo said
07:27 PM Aug 24, 2014
Here Here Phil, what would be the point of being there if we could not roll ove rin the morning, hit the remote (reverse cycle) to heat the van up, then shuffle to the coffee machine.
After a decent start to the morning we can get all pious about nature, etc. BUT one has to be clear about the priorities.
aussie_paul said
07:36 PM Aug 24, 2014
Plendo wrote:
I have heard a bit about them having an annoying noisy (sound like a jet in the distance), and also being smelly outside. Just want to make sure I understand the options first.
Also there are cheap units on flea bay for about $800, or the expensive ones for $1,800 with ahat appears to be much better control systems. Not sure if the $800 one is ok or not.
Plendo, have you experienced these "noisy, smelly problems" first hand? As I am researching heating at the moment I asked a cousin who has one in his 5th wheeler. They seem happy re the noise and smell.
Aussie Paul.
Plendo said
08:29 PM Aug 24, 2014
No Paul, I have it second or third hand, I was just taking it on board as a reason for further research.
Interested to know what you find.
One other thought, I have two gas bottles on the front of the van, and I do not use much gas, so it could be really convenient.
aussie_paul said
09:01 PM Aug 24, 2014
Plendo wrote:
No Paul, I have it second or third hand, I was just taking it on board as a reason for further research.
Interested to know what you find.
One other thought, I have two gas bottles on the front of the van, and I do not use much gas, so it could be really convenient.
For me Dave it is either gas, diesel, or run genset all night, NOT Likely....
Aussie Paul.
Aus-Kiwi said
09:17 PM Aug 24, 2014
I think if there's noise it's mainly the installation ..
PeterD said
12:10 AM Aug 25, 2014
Plendo wrote:
I have heard a bit about them having an annoying noisy (sound like a jet in the distance), and also being smelly outside. Just want to make sure I understand the options first.
User observation (diesel heater.) There is a bit of smell on the first light up of the night. After that there is just a very faint odour. That only applies if you are standing close. We don't smell anything in the van as it is closed up. The main noise is also on the start up. They are not too bad if you put a muffler on the exhaust, the cheapskates delete this and those installations are noisy. The fuel pump ticks away when the furnace is running, it can be noisy if mounted on something that resounds. Electric fan heaters also emit noise, you can get used to both. We use neither after lights out.
Annoyance to neighbours. I have asked neighbours if they have heard or smelt our heater. A common response is "what heater." The only ones that have heard or smelt anything is those who have been outside, mostly they have just been passing. When these are in operation everyone is generally inside closed van in cold weather.
If the noise was any where as bad as those bloody air conditioners that people leave running all night I certainly would not be recommending them. I have not heard our diesel heater running when I am in a neighbours van but I certainly hear some air conditioners. I don't know how people live with them in their vans.
Phil C said
08:40 AM Aug 25, 2014
I do have to agree with PeterD on noisy air conditioners, thats why I dont use mine.
On a cold night, at free camp, to save the battery we only have the electric blankets on (150W) which works rather well until about 8 am when we get a low volt alarm from the inverter.
This gives a comfortable nights sleep, the batteries charge up the next day with the solar or generator and bingo, we are ready to face Jack Frost again.
I looked at diesel heating and decided it was not for me due to a number of my own perceived safety factors. I just dont like the idea of too many flammable substances in my caravan. Oh well sleep tight.
Safe travels
aussie_paul said
10:04 AM Aug 25, 2014
PeterD, thanks for the first hand account. Much appreciated.
Aussie Paul.
PeterD said
11:03 AM Aug 25, 2014
Phil C wrote:
I looked at diesel heating and decided it was not for me due to a number of my own perceived safety factors. I just dont like the idea of too many flammable substances in my caravan.
I thought Diesel fuel was only a combustible liquid. Petrol on the other hand is considered flammable. I take it your wife is not allowed nail polish remover in the van (acetone, flash point -19 deg C.)
Phil C said
11:30 AM Aug 25, 2014
Fair enough PeterD.
I still dont like it no matter what its called.
Yes she has nail polish remover, but its in a sealed bottle, only a small amount and its in a makeup tin.
Having been in 2 barracks fires and an aircraft fire, im very over cautious when it comes to fuels, oils and other necessary nasties.
-- Edited by Phil C on Monday 25th of August 2014 11:33:54 AM
aussie_paul said
03:03 PM Aug 25, 2014
Phil C wrote:
I do have to agree with PeterD on noisy air conditioners, thats why I dont use mine.
On a cold night, at free camp, to save the battery we only have the electric blankets on (150W) which works rather well until about 8 am when we get a low volt alarm from the inverter.
This gives a comfortable nights sleep, the batteries charge up the next day with the solar or generator and bingo, we are ready to face Jack Frost again.
I looked at diesel heating and decided it was not for me due to a number of my own perceived safety factors. I just dont like the idea of too many flammable substances in my caravan. Oh well sleep tight.
Safe travels
Phil, what do you have in the way of batteries etc?
Aussie Paul.
Phil C said
04:09 PM Aug 25, 2014
aussie_paul wrote:
Phil C wrote:
I do have to agree with PeterD on noisy air conditioners, thats why I dont use mine.
On a cold night, at free camp, to save the battery we only have the electric blankets on (150W) which works rather well until about 8 am when we get a low volt alarm from the inverter.
This gives a comfortable nights sleep, the batteries charge up the next day with the solar or generator and bingo, we are ready to face Jack Frost again.
I looked at diesel heating and decided it was not for me due to a number of my own perceived safety factors. I just dont like the idea of too many flammable substances in my caravan. Oh well sleep tight.
Safe travels
Phil, what do you have in the way of batteries etc?
Aussie Paul.
Hi Paul
We carry 2 110AH AGM sealed batteries, a 2500W (it says) pure sine wave inverter, the blankets are new sunbeam 150W queen bed, 150W solar, ui2 honda generator, and a few other freaky gizmos.
PhilC
Plendo said
04:14 PM Aug 25, 2014
Thanks PeterD for a real user experience as opposed to hearsay.
Interestingly we do run our air con at anti social hours, but ours is virtually silent, we have a Fujitsu split system, which you have trouble hearing either inside or outside.
aussie_paul said
06:23 PM Aug 25, 2014
Plendo wrote:
Thanks PeterD for a real user experience as opposed to hearsay.
Interestingly we do run our air con at anti social hours, but ours is virtually silent, we have a Fujitsu split system, which you have trouble hearing either inside or outside.
Yes, I have been in Plendp's van and it sure is almost silent, AND I did have my hearing aids in!!!!
Aussie Paul.
SnowT said
09:54 PM Aug 25, 2014
Paul Love your Figure in the table could you Please add time that you expect to use the item's..
That will help in working out how many AH you use...
That is far more important amp's over Time...
My coffee machine uses about 600- 1500w of Power when its making the coffee but then that is only for the times that the system is pumping/heating the hot water so no more than 20sec Per 150ml shot of water..
Juergen
Psst -- read what I said in your inverter topic.. and if you get the wanderer Please Read what Collyn had to say.. it had some good points in it..
aussie_paul said
03:01 PM Aug 26, 2014
SnowT wrote:
Paul Love your Figure in the table could you Please add time that you expect to use the item's..
That will help in working out how many AH you use...
That is far more important amp's over Time...
My coffee machine uses about 600- 1500w of Power when its making the coffee but then that is only for the times that the system is pumping/heating the hot water so no more than 20sec Per 150ml shot of water..
Juergen
Psst -- read what I said in your inverter topic.. and if you get the wanderer Please Read what Collyn had to say.. it had some good points in it..
Might possibly use microwave, say several x 1 minutes, to reheat coffee after chatting to other GNs!!!! I guess there could be 1 hour of the Delonghi 4.9 amp heater in the morning and evening if we don't have either gas or diesel heating installed yet.
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 26th of August 2014 03:09:23 PM
Ran tests yesterday to give me some idea of how much current draw the 240V appliances have. Running off the genset..
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 01:43:52 PM
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 01:44:51 PM
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 01:48:51 PM
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 05:10:29 PM
Paul, I'd ditch the coffee machine mate. That's a big user and that power could be used for a remote for that wiz bang chair of yours. Much better use of power
Instant coffee would use less power I reckon
Not gonna happen Doug....
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Saturday 23rd of August 2014 05:01:24 PM
Back on topic now.
Good info there Paul, Interesting to see the different current draws.
Yes Doug, I thought it might be interesting for some.
Aussie Paul.
Heating really does soak up power, I found the same, so plan to fit either a gas or diesel heater.
I reckon the diesel will be the way to go David...
Aussie Paul.
I have heard a bit about them having an annoying noisy (sound like a jet in the distance), and also being smelly outside. Just want to make sure I understand the options first.
Also there are cheap units on flea bay for about $800, or the expensive ones for $1,800 with ahat appears to be much better control systems. Not sure if the $800 one is ok or not.
Dougwe... go and wash your mouth out!! How could any sane nomad ditch the coffee machine? I would crawl over broken glass with a dead sheep on my back before I did that.. lol
BTW instant coffee should be renamed "Instant Dirt" yetch!! We had that famous international roast in our aircraft ration packs on P3s and Hercs. Those were the bad old days, mess food... YETCH!!!!
Safe travels
-- Edited by Phil C on Sunday 24th of August 2014 11:43:20 AM
Here Here Phil, what would be the point of being there if we could not roll ove rin the morning, hit the remote (reverse cycle) to heat the van up, then shuffle to the coffee machine.
After a decent start to the morning we can get all pious about nature, etc. BUT one has to be clear about the priorities.
Plendo, have you experienced these "noisy, smelly problems" first hand? As I am researching heating at the moment I asked a cousin who has one in his 5th wheeler. They seem happy re the noise and smell.
Aussie Paul.
No Paul, I have it second or third hand, I was just taking it on board as a reason for further research.
Interested to know what you find.
One other thought, I have two gas bottles on the front of the van, and I do not use much gas, so it could be really convenient.
For me Dave it is either gas, diesel, or run genset all night, NOT Likely....
Aussie Paul.
User observation (diesel heater.) There is a bit of smell on the first light up of the night. After that there is just a very faint odour. That only applies if you are standing close. We don't smell anything in the van as it is closed up. The main noise is also on the start up. They are not too bad if you put a muffler on the exhaust, the cheapskates delete this and those installations are noisy. The fuel pump ticks away when the furnace is running, it can be noisy if mounted on something that resounds. Electric fan heaters also emit noise, you can get used to both. We use neither after lights out.
Annoyance to neighbours. I have asked neighbours if they have heard or smelt our heater. A common response is "what heater." The only ones that have heard or smelt anything is those who have been outside, mostly they have just been passing. When these are in operation everyone is generally inside closed van in cold weather.
If the noise was any where as bad as those bloody air conditioners that people leave running all night I certainly would not be recommending them. I have not heard our diesel heater running when I am in a neighbours van but I certainly hear some air conditioners. I don't know how people live with them in their vans.
On a cold night, at free camp, to save the battery we only have the electric blankets on (150W) which works rather well until about 8 am when we get a low volt alarm from the inverter.
This gives a comfortable nights sleep, the batteries charge up the next day with the solar or generator and bingo, we are ready to face Jack Frost again.
I looked at diesel heating and decided it was not for me due to a number of my own perceived safety factors. I just dont like the idea of too many flammable substances in my caravan. Oh well sleep tight.
Safe travels
PeterD, thanks for the first hand account. Much appreciated.
Aussie Paul.
I thought Diesel fuel was only a combustible liquid. Petrol on the other hand is considered flammable. I take it your wife is not allowed nail polish remover in the van (acetone, flash point -19 deg C.)
Fair enough PeterD.
I still dont like it no matter what its called.
Yes she has nail polish remover, but its in a sealed bottle, only a small amount and its in a makeup tin.
Having been in 2 barracks fires and an aircraft fire, im very over cautious when it comes to fuels, oils and other necessary nasties.
-- Edited by Phil C on Monday 25th of August 2014 11:33:54 AM
Phil, what do you have in the way of batteries etc?
Aussie Paul.
Hi Paul
We carry 2 110AH AGM sealed batteries, a 2500W (it says) pure sine wave inverter, the blankets are new sunbeam 150W queen bed, 150W solar, ui2 honda generator, and a few other freaky gizmos.
PhilC
Thanks PeterD for a real user experience as opposed to hearsay.
Interestingly we do run our air con at anti social hours, but ours is virtually silent, we have a Fujitsu split system, which you have trouble hearing either inside or outside.
Yes, I have been in Plendp's van and it sure is almost silent, AND I did have my hearing aids in!!!!
Aussie Paul.
That will help in working out how many AH you use...
That is far more important amp's over Time...
My coffee machine uses about 600- 1500w of Power when its making the coffee but then that is only for the times that the system is pumping/heating the hot water so no more than 20sec Per 150ml shot of water..
Juergen
Psst -- read what I said in your inverter topic.. and if you get the wanderer Please Read what Collyn had to say.. it had some good points in it..
Might possibly use microwave, say several x 1 minutes, to reheat coffee after chatting to other GNs!!!!
I guess there could be 1 hour of the Delonghi 4.9 amp heater in the morning and evening if we don't have either gas or diesel heating installed yet.
Aussie Paul.
-- Edited by aussie_paul on Tuesday 26th of August 2014 03:09:23 PM