Vic 41 Interesting read. With my late pop before he passed he needed to stay in a high care retirement village, And looking for nursing homes has been hard enough. the amount of money the Government are asking now from these places is astronomical and if you don't have the money OR assets you're pretty much homeless OR worse of stuck without any Gov assistance. We went through this year of not only hell but finding a place that would suit him and his needs AND on top of that he wouldn't have to sell his house before he passed as collateral.
One place we found for him to stay at wanted $500,000 deposit plus weekly fees for feeding housing bathing AND in addition if he needed medical expenses that was not included (it was extra).
We did finally find one village where he could stay and we just by passed the NEW LAW that the Gov incurred in July (the half mil deposit system that now takes place) we found a place that wanted $180,000 which is put aside as a keeping and guarantee for him staying there.. and once he no longer was there it was given back and any interest that it build up. However we were charged a fee of $35 p/w.
He was knocked back from Centrelink because he had his funeral money in the bank and due to the assets. So no Gov funding at all. Which pretty much meant we all were paying for his living there. IF we had sold his house and assets he still wouldn't of got ANY Gov funding for another 2 years - Sadly he passed away not long ago.
I think this is disgusting. You work all your life, pay horrid taxes and this is the GOV thanks for older people. They should be ashamed of themselves! These places should be on the GOV expense... we all get old and sadly with how the system is working more and more elderly are homeless. Probably one reason i said to both my parents i will be their carer until they need to be hospitalised and need full time (heavy care) until them I will care for them. All that is well and good... but what will happen once i'm old... Only the heavens know.
-- Edited by roadtourer on Thursday 21st of August 2014 01:27:27 PM
-- Edited by roadtourer on Thursday 21st of August 2014 01:28:04 PM
Vic41 said
03:34 PM Aug 21, 2014
Sad story roadtourer, I am wondering if euthanasia by our own hand is such a bad thing when you reach a stage where you don't think it is worth living anymore, especially with those things stacked against you
I see in the article that if you go into a rental on a village type land (with your own transportable home) one average cost for rental is $150 per week, and you can get rent assistance of around $50, leaving $100 balance to pay. However if you have a strata unit you can't get rent assistance.
What they don't say is that if you own your strata unit and don't have body corporate fees, even though you don't get rent assistance it is probably just as cheap without it, eg; working on $100 a week equates to $5,200 paid for a village type rental. If you own a strata unit privately with no body corporate fee, then you are approx. $5,200 in front, which you can pay for rates and maintenance etc, etc, so both probably come out about the same.
We live in a strata complex of 4 villa units and don't have body corporate fees but do pay one quarter of our annual complex home insurance which we do via a broker. We have it written into our body corporate set up that each owner pays for their own maintenance etc and we paint gutters etc the same colour and must keep our homes in good external condition. We have elected not to have annual body corporate meetings but any one of us can call one if deemed necessary which has never happened yet in 20 years.
beiffe said
08:28 AM Aug 24, 2014
I think euthanasia by our own hand should be possible and it really is possibly the way I will go.
BUT
I don't think that you should do the drive into a truck or jump in front of a train etc.
The trauma caused to the innocent person is terrible. I hope that I can get far enough into the bush that my body will not be found or at least it will be decomposed and just a few bones remain. Besides I would prefer to have my body dumped at sea if I die in civilisation but now even that is not allowed.
We will never have a legal system where you can request and end and you will be given a humane and dignified end in this country with all the do gooders around waiting to make money from us in our time of need.
My plan is to go for a walk in the Australian extremes Hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If you go for a walk in the summer in our dry deserts, especially in ill health you are not going to last long so better than giving some hospital and doctor all your assets to keep you alive in hell for as long as the money holds out.
In the winter we have snow and again it does not take long if you have few clothes etc and they say freezing is a gently death, you just go to sleep.
I carry several months of my drugs at all times and some spirits and I believe that with a good stomach of drugs and a bottle of scotch and a walk in the extremes it should not take long.
If we treated a pet the same as we treat our old folks at the end of their time we would be in jail for cruelty yet it is accepted and preferred to treat our old folks as they do.
Good article here that could be relevant to some of us or later in life, see;
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-21/kohler-the-quiet-strangling-of-housing-help-for-seniors/5685716
Vic 41 Interesting read.
With my late pop before he passed he needed to stay in a high care retirement village, And looking for nursing homes has been hard enough.
the amount of money the Government are asking now from these places is astronomical and if you don't have the money OR assets you're pretty much homeless OR worse of stuck without any Gov assistance.
We went through this year of not only hell but finding a place that would suit him and his needs AND on top of that he wouldn't have to sell his house before he passed as collateral.
One place we found for him to stay at wanted $500,000 deposit plus weekly fees for feeding housing bathing AND in addition if he needed medical expenses that was not included (it was extra).
We did finally find one village where he could stay and we just by passed the NEW LAW that the Gov incurred in July (the half mil deposit system that now takes place) we found a place that wanted $180,000 which is put aside as a keeping and guarantee for him staying there.. and once he no longer was there it was given back and any interest that it build up. However we were charged a fee of $35 p/w.
He was knocked back from Centrelink because he had his funeral money in the bank and due to the assets. So no Gov funding at all. Which pretty much meant we all were paying for his living there. IF we had sold his house and assets he still wouldn't of got ANY Gov funding for another 2 years - Sadly he passed away not long ago.
I think this is disgusting. You work all your life, pay horrid taxes and this is the GOV thanks for older people. They should be ashamed of themselves!
These places should be on the GOV expense... we all get old and sadly with how the system is working more and more elderly are homeless.
Probably one reason i said to both my parents i will be their carer until they need to be hospitalised and need full time (heavy care) until them I will care for them. All that is well and good... but what will happen once i'm old... Only the heavens know.
-- Edited by roadtourer on Thursday 21st of August 2014 01:27:27 PM
-- Edited by roadtourer on Thursday 21st of August 2014 01:28:04 PM
Sad story roadtourer, I am wondering if euthanasia by our own hand is such a bad thing when you reach a stage where you don't think it is worth living anymore, especially with those things stacked against you
I see in the article that if you go into a rental on a village type land (with your own transportable home) one average cost for rental is $150 per week, and you can get rent assistance of around $50, leaving $100 balance to pay. However if you have a strata unit you can't get rent assistance.
What they don't say is that if you own your strata unit and don't have body corporate fees, even though you don't get rent assistance it is probably just as cheap without it, eg; working on $100 a week equates to $5,200 paid for a village type rental. If you own a strata unit privately with no body corporate fee, then you are approx. $5,200 in front, which you can pay for rates and maintenance etc, etc, so both probably come out about the same.
We live in a strata complex of 4 villa units and don't have body corporate fees but do pay one quarter of our annual complex home insurance which we do via a broker. We have it written into our body corporate set up that each owner pays for their own maintenance etc and we paint gutters etc the same colour and must keep our homes in good external condition. We have elected not to have annual body corporate meetings but any one of us can call one if deemed necessary which has never happened yet in 20 years.
BUT
I don't think that you should do the drive into a truck or jump in front of a train etc.
The trauma caused to the innocent person is terrible. I hope that I can get far enough into the bush that my body will not be found or at least it will be decomposed and just a few bones remain. Besides I would prefer to have my body dumped at sea if I die in civilisation but now even that is not allowed.
We will never have a legal system where you can request and end and you will be given a humane and dignified end in this country with all the do gooders around waiting to make money from us in our time of need.
My plan is to go for a walk in the Australian extremes Hot in the summer and cold in the winter.
If you go for a walk in the summer in our dry deserts, especially in ill health you are not going to last long so better than giving some hospital and doctor all your assets to keep you alive in hell for as long as the money holds out.
In the winter we have snow and again it does not take long if you have few clothes etc and they say freezing is a gently death, you just go to sleep.
I carry several months of my drugs at all times and some spirits and I believe that with a good stomach of drugs and a bottle of scotch and a walk in the extremes it should not take long.
If we treated a pet the same as we treat our old folks at the end of their time we would be in jail for cruelty yet it is accepted and preferred to treat our old folks as they do.
Regards Brian