I recently posted in the Tech area regarding advice on tyre brands.
My tyres were 6 years old and only done 12,000 klms
This pic is what was happening to an inner rear tyre. Another tyre was showing a similar problem (much smaller) and the issue was missed at a recent (1 week ago) service other than a comment that I should get the wheels balanced.
It really pays to have your tyres checked regularly.
Reposted here as this is a real concern for safety.
Cheers
Mike
-- Edited by Mike C on Tuesday 29th of July 2014 07:06:08 AM
We recently had a blow out ..... Tyre totally blown to smithereens On one of the developmental roads .... Thank God we had a good spare! Was one of the original tyres about 2'years old. Ended up costing us 3 new tyres so we could match up brands. Best way to go we thought as with travelling on the outback roads the other tyres were starting to show signs also of wear. Only problem was having to wait a week for the tyres to be ordered and reach the tyre place in Longreach from Brisbane. Makes you very aware of the sharp edges on lots of the narrow roads and how the continual exposure can weaken even the best tyres! I would not like to be in a situation where a tyre blows, no spare, no CB, no phone coverage and minimal passing traffic.
Dougwe said
07:52 AM Jul 29, 2014
Shut the front gate!!
That's a worry Mike that was missed by your service people. Maybe time to rethink who does your service.
Tyres seem to be like us humans, as we get older we get wrinkles and cracks
_wombat_ said
07:56 AM Jul 29, 2014
Mike C, those tyres look like that could be recaps, not a good idea to use recaps theses days, not a big saving on price between the two types.
Mike C said
08:12 AM Jul 29, 2014
Hi Wombat
They were not recaps I would never use a recap on this type of vehicle.
They were the original tyre supplied by IVECO when new and manufactured (the tyres) in early 2008.
What you are seeing is the result of the steel bands delaminating within the tyre and then starting to breakthrough the outer casing.
From what I have read tyres can look brand new on the outside but the aging affects the internal bonding of the steel reinforcement internally which can result in a sudden disintegration of the tyre.
I am thankful that I didn't have to have that experience.
Dougwe
The service guys were shocked when I called back in and showed then the pic. These guys have always been pretty good in the past and as this was an inner tyre probably not that visible without removing the wheels, I will give them the benefit of the doubt this time.
Cheers
Mike
signwilson said
08:27 AM Jul 29, 2014
My tyre supplier informed me when I replaced the low milage 6year old tyres on my wife's little car. That all the new tyres are starting to fall apart at about 3 years now because of the high quantity of synthetic used.
Glenelg said
08:36 AM Jul 29, 2014
Dougwe wrote:
Shut the front gate!!
That's a worry Mike that was missed by your service people. Maybe time to rethink who does your service.
Tyres seem to be like us humans, as we get older we get wrinkles and cracks
you speak for yourself.
Big Gorilla said
09:04 AM Jul 29, 2014
Mike C wrote:
Hi Wombat
They were not recaps I would never use a recap on this type of vehicle.
They were the original tyre supplied by IVECO when new and manufactured (the tyres) in early 2008. What you are seeing is the result of the steel bands delaminating within the tyre and then starting to breakthrough the outer casing.
What brand of tyre are they that were supplied by Iveco ? My Iveco had Maxmiler tyres made in Indonesia. I had a blowout on Ipswich Freeway last May and replaced all 4 with Pirelli. My tyres were 7 years old.
Mike C said
09:15 AM Jul 29, 2014
Hi BG
They we're Pirelli
Mine is the 6.5 ton Iveco with dual rear wheels.
Cheers
Mike
Cupie said
09:33 AM Jul 29, 2014
I had exactly the same thing happen to a tyre on my van.
It had been a (covered) spare on the back of the Jayco since new ... around 12 years ago & had never been on the road ... until I had a flat when in Melbourne & put it on the van.
After the trip back to Bris from Melb & another return trip to Sydney, the tread began to lift coming back to Bris from Ballina. Fortunately a passing motorist alerted me to the lifting tread.
I am now very conscious of tyre age & replace them at 5 years irrespective of tread.
Same for the Patrol ... Had an old Cooper tread begin to lift on a trip to Esk a couple of years ago.
Fastcoach said
10:10 AM Jul 29, 2014
We had a similar situation to many others, namely a blow out, but at high speed. We were on the Hume F'way and doing a sedate 110kph when a van tyre exploded. Unfortunately it was on the right hand side and we were going around a slight left hand bend which meant much of the weight was on the right side. My wife was driving at the time and she remained very calm and didn't panic and gradually steered the vehicle off the road safely.
Our van is a large Off Road Camper Trailer with high profile A/T tyres and they appeared to be in mint condition despite having been fitted as original equipment ten years prior. Nobody warned us about the lifespan of tyres and we just thought that if they had decent tread depth and weren't perished, then they should be fine. We now know better and our little drama could have ended very differently.
Most vans probably don't travel enough klms to wear out the tread on their tyres. Always check the date stamp numbers on your tyres before setting out on a trip. If they are over five years old they need replacing. Far better to be safe than sorry.
Grandad5 said
11:46 AM Jul 29, 2014
It's possible I may be able to contribute something to this conversation.
I'm currently rebuilding an old vintage van for my use as a GN. The van has been in the families possession for about 15 yrs. Primarily as an extra bedroom.
A few years back guardianship of the van was passed to one of my sons for his use with his wife and young family for holidays.
Amongst other maintenance jobs he performed on it was to replace the very old 1960's tyres with new light truck radials. His dream of taking his family away in it never eventuated so guardianship was passed on to one of his brothers for "Storage" and it's original purpose of extra accommodation.
Fast forward to current times and the old van found it's way back into my possession.
One of the first jobs was to fit new brakes which meant I had to sort out what wheels and tyres I wanted to use long term. I took the wheels to my local tyre place and asked if the (Almost new) tyres were cheap Chinese imports or a decent quality.
Turns out, they were a quality brand.
However.....Because they had been sitting with weight on them for several years I was advised not to use them. My chances of a blowout were highly elevated.
It was explained to me that tyres sitting on a shelf will last for years. Just sitting around doesn't affect their lifespan. But, fitting them to a wheel and putting any kind of weight on them and then having them sit around certainly does.
He advised me that choosing new wheels and tyres at this stage and then having them sit around for the next two years during reconstruction would put me right back to where I was then with tyres no longer suitable for travelling.
So, I'm using the original tyres while I rebuild and will replace wheels and tyres just before I head off. The original tyres still have the moulding marks and writing on the thread so appear brand new. I've been advised however that they now suit landfill only and not to keep them even as spares.
Hope this info helps.
Cheers
Jim
miroku12g said
05:31 PM Jul 29, 2014
Mike C
in Australia tyre life is 7 years,[Ozone, & wasing the tyre in certain "Soaps," Oil/ Grease. will cause a shorter tyre life] tyre "Ageing" failure is only 8% of a tyre problem, first look at your picture told me straight away that is purely "Under Inflated" "Over Loaded".
Tyres made in "Asian" countries are generally no different that those made in the UK or USA as they are more than likey owned by a Major manufacturer anyway.
IMHO any tyre made in Oz is well worth staying away from, we just cannot build a good "round" tyre, first choice for me would be Michelin, BFG [owned & manufactured by Michelin] or any tyre made in the UK, Germany, France. On saying that, if the pressure is not relevant to the weight being carried then any tyre will fail after a period.
Miroku12g
Mike C said
07:41 PM Jul 29, 2014
I think a big part of my issue was that the truck sat for the first 4 years doing only 700k
The last 11,000 taking the next two years.
Inflation was by the book at 75 psi.
The new tyres are continental and are a 121/120 load rating vs the original at 118/116
The guys that changed the tyres felt it was caused by agin has the rubber also was very hard and dry.
I am no expert but sure glad I changed them.
Dougwe said
07:50 PM Jul 29, 2014
Mike C wrote:
Hi Wombat
They were not recaps I would never use a recap on this type of vehicle.
They were the original tyre supplied by IVECO when new and manufactured (the tyres) in early 2008. What you are seeing is the result of the steel bands delaminating within the tyre and then starting to breakthrough the outer casing.
From what I have read tyres can look brand new on the outside but the aging affects the internal bonding of the steel reinforcement internally which can result in a sudden disintegration of the tyre. I am thankful that I didn't have to have that experience.
Dougwe The service guys were shocked when I called back in and showed then the pic. These guys have always been pretty good in the past and as this was an inner tyre probably not that visible without removing the wheels, I will give them the benefit of the doubt this time.
Cheers
Mike
Fare enough Mike, I believe that everyone deserves a second chance mate. Good on ya.
Mike C said
09:35 PM Jul 29, 2014
Miroku12g
When you say only 8% of tyres fail due to ageing what does that really mean?
Only guessing here but if the average driver travels say 20k per year then the average driver would wear out the average tyre in say 3 years One then has to wonder what % of tyres are still on the road at say 6 years of age?
assuming the average above it would be a reasonable guess that maybe 10% to 15% get to hang around that long as the majority get worn out before they get a chance to age.
If that assumption is correct then one could assume that (based on an 8% overall tyre failure cause) somewhere between 53% and 80% of tyres over 6 years old will fail due to aging?
or am I getting confused here?
Cheers
Mike
-- Edited by Mike C on Tuesday 29th of July 2014 09:38:10 PM
NandK said
12:19 AM Jul 30, 2014
Mike I have been told by the tyre people that when a tyre gets to 6yrs old it is time to change them.
I always change my tyres around 4-5 yrs depending on wear,i also look for any small cracks developing between the tread a sure sign of the tyre starting to perish.
OMD said
04:53 AM Jul 30, 2014
Hi guys , I was told also that tires perish over time if not used a lot . Van n MHs been the most common. Should replace every 4-5 years they said. As having one blow on my old van at 100 ks on the Bruce hw. Also was a current affair story on tires being fitted to new vehicles that are up to 10 years old. There is a date on the side wall tells what week n year tire was made.
Pete
Hi
I recently posted in the Tech area regarding advice on tyre brands.
My tyres were 6 years old and only done 12,000 klms
This pic is what was happening to an inner rear tyre. Another tyre was showing a similar problem (much smaller) and the issue was missed at a recent (1 week ago) service other than a comment that I should get the wheels balanced.
It really pays to have your tyres checked regularly.
Reposted here as this is a real concern for safety.
Cheers
Mike
-- Edited by Mike C on Tuesday 29th of July 2014 07:06:08 AM
We recently had a blow out ..... Tyre totally blown to smithereens On one of the developmental roads .... Thank God we had a good spare! Was one of the original tyres about 2'years old. Ended up costing us 3 new tyres so we could match up brands. Best way to go we thought as with travelling on the outback roads the other tyres were starting to show signs also of wear. Only problem was having to wait a week for the tyres to be ordered and reach the tyre place in Longreach from Brisbane. Makes you very aware of the sharp edges on lots of the narrow roads and how the continual exposure can weaken even the best tyres! I would not like to be in a situation where a tyre blows, no spare, no CB, no phone coverage and minimal passing traffic.
Shut the front gate!!
That's a worry Mike that was missed by your service people. Maybe time to rethink who does your service.
Tyres seem to be like us humans, as we get older we get wrinkles and cracks
Mike C, those tyres look like that could be recaps, not a good idea to use recaps theses days, not a big saving on price between the two types.
They were not recaps I would never use a recap on this type of vehicle.
They were the original tyre supplied by IVECO when new and manufactured (the tyres) in early 2008.
What you are seeing is the result of the steel bands delaminating within the tyre and then starting to breakthrough the outer casing.
From what I have read tyres can look brand new on the outside but the aging affects the internal bonding of the steel reinforcement internally which can result in a sudden disintegration of the tyre.
I am thankful that I didn't have to have that experience.
Dougwe
The service guys were shocked when I called back in and showed then the pic. These guys have always been pretty good in the past and as this was an inner tyre probably not that visible without removing the wheels, I will give them the benefit of the doubt this time.
Cheers
Mike
you speak for yourself.
What brand of tyre are they that were supplied by Iveco ? My Iveco had Maxmiler tyres made in Indonesia. I had a blowout on Ipswich Freeway last May and replaced all 4 with Pirelli. My tyres were 7 years old.
They we're Pirelli
Mine is the 6.5 ton Iveco with dual rear wheels.
Cheers
Mike
I had exactly the same thing happen to a tyre on my van.
It had been a (covered) spare on the back of the Jayco since new ... around 12 years ago & had never been on the road ... until I had a flat when in Melbourne & put it on the van.
After the trip back to Bris from Melb & another return trip to Sydney, the tread began to lift coming back to Bris from Ballina. Fortunately a passing motorist alerted me to the lifting tread.
I am now very conscious of tyre age & replace them at 5 years irrespective of tread.
Same for the Patrol ... Had an old Cooper tread begin to lift on a trip to Esk a couple of years ago.
Our van is a large Off Road Camper Trailer with high profile A/T tyres and they appeared to be in mint condition despite having been fitted as original equipment ten years prior. Nobody warned us about the lifespan of tyres and we just thought that if they had decent tread depth and weren't perished, then they should be fine. We now know better and our little drama could have ended very differently.
Most vans probably don't travel enough klms to wear out the tread on their tyres. Always check the date stamp numbers on your tyres before setting out on a trip. If they are over five years old they need replacing. Far better to be safe than sorry.
I'm currently rebuilding an old vintage van for my use as a GN. The van has been in the families possession for about 15 yrs. Primarily as an extra bedroom.
A few years back guardianship of the van was passed to one of my sons for his use with his wife and young family for holidays.
Amongst other maintenance jobs he performed on it was to replace the very old 1960's tyres with new light truck radials. His dream of taking his family away in it never eventuated so guardianship was passed on to one of his brothers for "Storage" and it's original purpose of extra accommodation.
Fast forward to current times and the old van found it's way back into my possession.
One of the first jobs was to fit new brakes which meant I had to sort out what wheels and tyres I wanted to use long term. I took the wheels to my local tyre place and asked if the (Almost new) tyres were cheap Chinese imports or a decent quality.
Turns out, they were a quality brand.
However.....Because they had been sitting with weight on them for several years I was advised not to use them. My chances of a blowout were highly elevated.
It was explained to me that tyres sitting on a shelf will last for years. Just sitting around doesn't affect their lifespan. But, fitting them to a wheel and putting any kind of weight on them and then having them sit around certainly does.
He advised me that choosing new wheels and tyres at this stage and then having them sit around for the next two years during reconstruction would put me right back to where I was then with tyres no longer suitable for travelling.
So, I'm using the original tyres while I rebuild and will replace wheels and tyres just before I head off. The original tyres still have the moulding marks and writing on the thread so appear brand new. I've been advised however that they now suit landfill only and not to keep them even as spares.
Hope this info helps.
Cheers
Jim
in Australia tyre life is 7 years,[Ozone, & wasing the tyre in certain "Soaps," Oil/ Grease. will cause a shorter tyre life] tyre "Ageing" failure is only 8% of a tyre problem, first look at your picture told me straight away that is purely "Under Inflated" "Over Loaded".
Tyres made in "Asian" countries are generally no different that those made in the UK or USA as they are more than likey owned by a Major manufacturer anyway.
IMHO any tyre made in Oz is well worth staying away from, we just cannot build a good "round" tyre, first choice for me would be Michelin, BFG [owned & manufactured by Michelin] or any tyre made in the UK, Germany, France. On saying that, if the pressure is not relevant to the weight being carried then any tyre will fail after a period.
Miroku12g
The last 11,000 taking the next two years.
Inflation was by the book at 75 psi.
The new tyres are continental and are a 121/120 load rating vs the original at 118/116
The guys that changed the tyres felt it was caused by agin has the rubber also was very hard and dry.
I am no expert but sure glad I changed them.
Fare enough Mike, I believe that everyone deserves a second chance mate. Good on ya.
Miroku12g
When you say only 8% of tyres fail due to ageing what does that really mean?
Only guessing here but if the average driver travels say 20k per year then the average driver would wear out the average tyre in say 3 years
One then has to wonder what % of tyres are still on the road at say 6 years of age?
assuming the average above it would be a reasonable guess that maybe 10% to 15% get to hang around that long as the majority get worn out before they get a chance to age.
If that assumption is correct then one could assume that (based on an 8% overall tyre failure cause) somewhere between 53% and 80% of tyres over 6 years old will fail due to aging?
or am I getting confused here?
Cheers
Mike
-- Edited by Mike C on Tuesday 29th of July 2014 09:38:10 PM
I always change my tyres around 4-5 yrs depending on wear,i also look for any small cracks developing between the tread a sure sign of the tyre starting to perish.
Pete