thankyou graham a very interesting google look at how much we as mankind has our heads in the sand , or are we just slaves to the multi billionaire oil companies ?
graham (chickenman) said
05:29 PM Jun 14, 2014
Grae, look at Nz fuel prices, diesel there is app 66 cents a litre cheaper then in Aussie? Has to be the oil companys are ripping us off here
for sure mate ! interesting youtube i found on the side bar of the vapour googles was the water mix vid on a old chrysler i think , had a old friend yrs ago who was a retired mechanic said then it could be done , oil companies squashed it i bet
thanks good topic , so true !
D and D said
05:40 PM Jun 14, 2014
Graham, I don't know where you live but I don't know of any mainland city in Australia paying $2.10 and higher for their unleaded fuel and $1.52 for diesel is only a little cheaper than what I paid yesterday in Pt Augusta ($1.55). However, the price of diesel is due to rise not because of the avaricious oil companies but because the government is reducing it's tax rebate on diesel.
graham (chickenman) said
05:49 PM Jun 14, 2014
nD an d I know we are cheaper in Aussie but compare both to each other how come diesel is dearer here in Aussie then petrol??? Where its 66 cents a litre cheaper then
petrol in Kiwi land?
bill12 said
06:15 PM Jun 14, 2014
Go to the US , where petrol(90 ron) is 85c aus / litre . No wonder they drive yank tanks. Bill
Jaahn said
06:56 PM Jun 14, 2014
grae and deb wrote:
thankyou graham a very interesting google look at how much we as mankind has our heads in the sand , or are we just slaves to the multi billionaire oil companies ?
Hi,
Well what can I say. Yes we are slaves to the ---- oil companies
However these inventions that give 150 MPG and run cars on the fumes etc etc etc are all crap in my humble opinion. I have been working on motors for ever and been reading these claims for almost as long. Never seen any that I think will work. Let,s see someone run their motorhome on the fumes from a bottle for a Km and I will believe it.
Dream on chaps. jaahn
justcruisin01 said
07:28 PM Jun 14, 2014
graham (chickenman) wrote:
Grae, look at Nz fuel prices, diesel there is app 66 cents a litre cheaper then in Aussie? Has to be the oil companys are ripping us off here
What CHICKEN CRAP;; how long since you have been to NZ::???? YES its cheaper than petrol at the pump BUT add on the road tax per kls & its approx the same price as their petrol per/ltr. which is around $2.25 .
graham (chickenman) said
08:30 AM Jun 15, 2014
justcruisin01, yes I have been to Nz so wtf to do with you?
If you want to abuse or argue over a post I am not into that chit ok, go somewhere else and argue there.
Been sensible answers in here except for your negative thoughts
PeterD said
12:59 PM Jun 15, 2014
Graham, Your claims are so ridiculous you leave yourself open to ridicule. When it arrived you came back with something even mor nasty. Even if you are using initials you are expressing words that are out of place on this forum.
The base premise is you can not get more out of anything than what is initially in it. You need to release energy to do any work. Even the older motors extracted 25 - 30% of the energy in the fuel used. Later more efficient motors get more return from the used fuel. The much better fuel efficiencies with the modern cars comes from their aerodynamics to a greater extent than their more efficient motors.
As for running your motor on gasoline fumes, they already do this. That is what the carburettor does, converts liquid petroleum to petroleum fumes. Petroleum fumes can be compared to LPG. When you release the gas from the liquid then that gas spreads to a larger volume than the liquid gas. In other words the energy contained in the liquid gas is spread very much further. The same happens with petrol. When it expands to produce fumes (or petrol gas) the energy is spread much further.
There will be so little energy contained in that very little weight of petroleum that that motor would not run without some slight of hand involved. There is nothing new with these slight of hand demonstrations. Some of these con men even fooled the engineers evaluating deveopments for the NSW government. They even went as far ar giving the fuel efficiency development high praise before the con was revealed.
If what you are promoting was feasible then it would be even better than perpetual motion. It would result in the creation of energy. You did set yourself up for ridicule, didn't you.
graham (chickenman) said
02:42 PM Jun 15, 2014
PeterD wrote:
Graham, Your claims are so ridiculous you leave yourself open to ridicule. When it arrived you came back with something even mor nasty. Even if you are using initials you are expressing words that are out of place on this forum.
The base premise is you can not get more out of anything than what is initially in it. You need to release energy to do any work. Even the older motors extracted 25 - 30% of the energy in the fuel used. Later more efficient motors get more return from the used fuel. The much better fuel efficiencies with the modern cars comes from their aerodynamics to a greater extent than their more efficient motors.
As for running your motor on gasoline fumes, they already do this. That is what the carburettor does, converts liquid petroleum to petroleum fumes. Petroleum fumes can be compared to LPG. When you release the gas from the liquid then that gas spreads to a larger volume than the liquid gas. In other words the energy contained in the liquid gas is spread very much further. The same happens with petrol. When it expands to produce fumes (or petrol gas) the energy is spread much further.
There will be so little energy contained in that very little weight of petroleum that that motor would not run without some slight of hand involved. There is nothing new with these slight of hand demonstrations. Some of these con men even fooled the engineers evaluating deveopments for the NSW government. They even went as far ar giving the fuel efficiency development high praise before the con was revealed.
If what you are promoting was feasible then it would be even better than perpetual motion. It would result in the creation of energy. You did set yourself up for ridicule, didn't you.
Oh I should have guessed its pick on Graham month hey?
the post I started refered to what I found in youtube, IT ISNT MY SAYING OK?
Peter don't try and start being a bully to me, read my posts as I said I cant understand why diesel in Nz is 66 cents a litre cheaper then petrol? Why the pluck cant it be 66 cents cheaper in Aussie?
Peter, youjust seem as if you want to argue or be a bully in this -------> If what you are promoting was feasible then it would be even better than perpetual motion. It would result in the creation of energy. You did set yourself up for ridicule, didn't you. Are you retarded pluck head ?
Also explain what words did I use that were unsuitable in this forum?????????????????????????????????
-- Edited by graham (chickenman) on Sunday 15th of June 2014 02:45:21 PM
graham (chickenman) said
03:22 PM Jun 15, 2014
grae and deb wrote:
for sure mate ! interesting youtube i found on the side bar of the vapour googles was the water mix vid on a old chrysler i think , had a old friend yrs ago who was a retired mechanic said then it could be done , oil companies squashed it i bet thanks good topic , so true !
grae and deb, I had the water bottle on my Valiant in 1981 was about a 4 litre bottle and you put about a 1/3 cup of metho in with the water, was a plastic tube that you drilled a hole in the carby ond put a copper tube then the tube over the copper pipe.
At the time I lived at Iron Knob, upon setting it up I went out on the hi way towards Port Augusta, i had a litre of fuel in a bottle ran it just on petrol till it ran out then marked it with a few rocks where i stopped.
I went back and connected the water injector and ran that distance again, i went app 200 metres further on the water injecting.
Also on the plastic tube was a thin bit of copper tube with small holes so you could adjust the bubbling of the water droplets going into the carby, i did about 6 runs i think the best i got was another 100 metres.
Cruising Cruze said
03:27 PM Jun 15, 2014
I feel sorry that you don't even can see it Graham
Also explain what words did I use that were unsuitable in this forum?????????????????????????????????
" justcruisin01, yes I have been to Nz so wtf to do with you?
Or did you mean WORLD TAEKWONDO FEDERATION
Cheers John
-- Edited by Cruising Cruze on Sunday 15th of June 2014 03:29:39 PM
graham (chickenman) said
03:35 PM Jun 15, 2014
Cruising Cruze wrote:
I feel sorry that you don't even can see it Graham Also explain what words did I use that were unsuitable in this forum????????????????????????????????? " justcruisin01, yes I have been to Nz so wtf to do with you? Or did you mean WORLD TAEKWONDO FEDERATION Cheers John
-- Edited by Cruising Cruze on Sunday 15th of June 2014 03:29:39 PM
Oh, why do you want to carry on like a 5 yr old school kid? wtf I cant see anything wrong with that, maybe I should have put what the #uck, then you could complain little boy.
JUST SEEMS TO ME YOU JUST WANT TO START BEING A BULLY OR WANT A ARGUEMENT? WELL GO AND CHANGE YOUR NAPPY HEY BOY
justcruisin01 said
06:48 PM Jun 15, 2014
You have had the difference explaned in fuel cost between us & NZ & you still dont get it.
Would you be happy if our government took the 66cents a ltr off at the pump a then charged you a road tax to recover the 66c in an advanced payment???.dont think that would work for you either
As for abusive.you must have a different definition to the rest of us.
-- Edited by justcruisin01 on Sunday 15th of June 2014 08:52:37 PM
rockylizard said
07:23 PM Jun 15, 2014
Webmaster said
01:18 PM Jun 16, 2014
Hi all, Just a reminder that we would like to keep our forum a positive place for people to exchange advice and stories. Abusive language and personal attacks have no place here. I am closing this thread down now.
Maybe this might be worth a go to save on fuel using a generator?
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?p=1310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSj7_zZmdKg
But a question here?
Why doesn't the generator run when the tank is empty be fumes in there isn't there?
Maybe the secret is putting air in the jar and bubbling ?
I think its about time we took on these greedy oil companies and Government excerise tax?
http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWqMZ8-EHSo
Grae, look at Nz fuel prices, diesel there is app 66 cents a litre cheaper then in Aussie? Has to be the oil companys are ripping us off here
http://www.aa.co.nz/cars/maintenance/fuel-prices-and-types/petrolwatch-weekly-and-monthly-updates/petrolwatch/may-2014-petrol-and-diesel-prices/
thanks good topic , so true !
nD an d I know we are cheaper in Aussie but compare both to each other how come diesel is dearer here in Aussie then petrol??? Where its 66 cents a litre cheaper then
petrol in Kiwi land?
Hi,
Well what can I say. Yes we are slaves to the ---- oil companies
However these inventions that give 150 MPG and run cars on the fumes etc etc etc are all crap in my humble opinion. I have been working on motors for ever and been reading these claims for almost as long. Never seen any that I think will work.
Let,s see someone run their motorhome on the fumes from a bottle for a Km and I will believe it.
Dream on chaps. jaahn
What CHICKEN CRAP;; how long since you have been to NZ::???? YES its cheaper than petrol at the pump BUT add on the road tax per kls & its approx the same price as their petrol per/ltr. which is around $2.25 .
justcruisin01, yes I have been to Nz so wtf to do with you?
If you want to abuse or argue over a post I am not into that chit ok, go somewhere else and argue there.
Been sensible answers in here except for your negative thoughts
The base premise is you can not get more out of anything than what is initially in it. You need to release energy to do any work. Even the older motors extracted 25 - 30% of the energy in the fuel used. Later more efficient motors get more return from the used fuel. The much better fuel efficiencies with the modern cars comes from their aerodynamics to a greater extent than their more efficient motors.
As for running your motor on gasoline fumes, they already do this. That is what the carburettor does, converts liquid petroleum to petroleum fumes. Petroleum fumes can be compared to LPG. When you release the gas from the liquid then that gas spreads to a larger volume than the liquid gas. In other words the energy contained in the liquid gas is spread very much further. The same happens with petrol. When it expands to produce fumes (or petrol gas) the energy is spread much further.
There will be so little energy contained in that very little weight of petroleum that that motor would not run without some slight of hand involved. There is nothing new with these slight of hand demonstrations. Some of these con men even fooled the engineers evaluating deveopments for the NSW government. They even went as far ar giving the fuel efficiency development high praise before the con was revealed.
If what you are promoting was feasible then it would be even better than perpetual motion. It would result in the creation of energy. You did set yourself up for ridicule, didn't you.
Oh I should have guessed its pick on Graham month hey?
the post I started refered to what I found in youtube, IT ISNT MY SAYING OK?
Peter don't try and start being a bully to me, read my posts as I said I cant understand why diesel in Nz is 66 cents a litre cheaper then petrol? Why the pluck cant it be 66 cents cheaper in Aussie?
Peter, youjust seem as if you want to argue or be a bully in this -------> If what you are promoting was feasible then it would be even better than perpetual motion. It would result in the creation of energy. You did set yourself up for ridicule, didn't you. Are you retarded pluck head ?
Also explain what words did I use that were unsuitable in this forum?????????????????????????????????
-- Edited by graham (chickenman) on Sunday 15th of June 2014 02:45:21 PM
grae and deb, I had the water bottle on my Valiant in 1981 was about a 4 litre bottle and you put about a 1/3 cup of metho in with the water, was a plastic tube that you drilled a hole in the carby ond put a copper tube then the tube over the copper pipe.
At the time I lived at Iron Knob, upon setting it up I went out on the hi way towards Port Augusta, i had a litre of fuel in a bottle ran it just on petrol till it ran out then marked it with a few rocks where i stopped.
I went back and connected the water injector and ran that distance again, i went app 200 metres further on the water injecting.
Also on the plastic tube was a thin bit of copper tube with small holes so you could adjust the bubbling of the water droplets going into the carby, i did about 6 runs i think the best i got was another 100 metres.
-- Edited by Cruising Cruze on Sunday 15th of June 2014 03:29:39 PM
Oh, why do you want to carry on like a 5 yr old school kid? wtf I cant see anything wrong with that, maybe I should have put what the #uck, then you could complain little boy.
JUST SEEMS TO ME YOU JUST WANT TO START BEING A BULLY OR WANT A ARGUEMENT? WELL GO AND CHANGE YOUR NAPPY HEY BOY
You have had the difference explaned in fuel cost between us & NZ & you still dont get it.
Would you be happy if our government took the 66cents a ltr off at the pump a then charged you a road tax to recover the 66c in an advanced payment???.dont think that would work for you either
As for abusive.you must have a different definition to the rest of us.
-- Edited by justcruisin01 on Sunday 15th of June 2014 08:52:37 PM
Hi all,
Just a reminder that we would like to keep our forum a positive place for people to exchange advice and stories. Abusive language and personal attacks have no place here. I am closing this thread down now.