im liking the Ranger. My biggest question is... Why do Ford state servicing at 12months or $15,000 kms, when Toyota and Mazda state 6months or 10,000kms?
would it be detrimental to have longer servicing periods for a diesel Motor?
Thanks,
MJ
Dougwe said
07:14 PM May 7, 2014
Personally MJ, I would go with the 10,000km.
Also and as well even, check out the Mazda BT50, Holden Colorado and the Izuzu DMax.
I'm currently in Townsville and will spend some time checking all mentioned myself, you never know what can happen. I'm also thinking going single cab to get longer closed in tray at back for sleeping if required at any time. Only looking and thinking.
rockylizard said
07:20 PM May 7, 2014
Gday...
Even before I retired and began travelling full-time I have always changed engine oil and engine oil filter at half the "manufacturer's recommended" interval.
With my 60, 80 and 100 Series Landcruisers it was at 5,000km. With the three HiLux diesels I have had, again it was 5,000km for oil/filter changes.
I now have a Discovery 3 - recommended oil change intervals is 12,000km - I change engine oil and engine oil filter every 6,000km.
I also change the auto transmission fluid every 40,000km (Land Rover specs say the auto trans is "sealed for life" and their specs say the first time to do the auto trans oil is 240,000km). I also get the transfer box and diff oils changed at 40,000km as well.
Oil and filters are much cheaper than replacing/fixing a motor or transmission.
Perhaps others have differing views, but I would much rather have good oil helping the mechanicals to give me their best performance.
Cheers - John
Tim thetruckie said
09:03 PM May 7, 2014
MaryJane wrote:
I am reluctantly considering changing my tow.
im liking the Ranger. My biggest question is... Why do Ford state servicing at 12months or $15,000 kms, when Toyota and Mazda state 6months or 10,000kms?
would it be detrimental to have longer servicing periods for a diesel Motor?
Thanks,
MJ
MJ what year model Ranger do you have ? I have both BT50 and Ranger and they are 10000k service .
scooner said
06:55 AM May 8, 2014
hi i have a ranger pk dual cab and will service it every 10k ,i use it mostly for towing the van, and in that case every 10k i would feel happy ,
but if i didn't tow with it 15k would be ok thats my own feelings on the matter regards ian
WAssa41 said
08:59 AM May 8, 2014
I have a Colorado and change the oil,oil & fuel filter ever 10k. Fuel filters are very important when travelling out west.
Wassa
Aus-Kiwi said
09:03 AM May 8, 2014
Manufacturers are only interested in their vehicles passing the warranty period..
Interstate driving is much easier on a diesel than short cold trips around town..
If your vehicle does longer trips then service can be close to manu spec..
Depends on conditions? If its been driven in sandy or dusty conditions etc..
Sealed for life = Sealed for warranty period..
Yes I change my vehicles twice a year ..
On my motorhome .. Usually before we go away on interstate trip..
Cupie said
09:45 AM May 8, 2014
Not sure if this is real or not but just in case ..
I was told yesterday that an oil pump issue with BT50s has resulted in the destruction of motors.
It seems that the oil pump is not self priming & if there is a time lapse of 4 or 5 minutes or more between draining the old oil & adding the new, the oil pump can drain (& not subsequently self priming) with obvious results.
Might be worth checking this out if you have a BT50 & do your own oil changes.
rockylizard said
10:01 AM May 8, 2014
Cupie wrote:
Not sure if this is real or not but just in case ..
I was told yesterday that an oil pump issue with BT50s has resulted in the destruction of motors.
It seems that the oil pump is not self priming & if there is a time lapse of 4 or 5 minutes or more between draining the old oil & adding the new, the oil pump can drain (& not subsequently self priming) with obvious results.
Might be worth checking this out if you have a BT50 & do your own oil changes.
Gday...
I too had heard this information. I have just googled extensively and have much information confirming that advice. The only "authoritative" document I can find is here -
Service warning: Mazda BT-50 / Ford Ranger new generation 5cyl diesel models UP0YF1 When draining the oil, ensure that the total drain time does not exceed 10 minutes.
Field reports indicated that there may be an issue with the variable-flow oil pump fitted to Mazdas new generation BT-50, 5 cylinder common rail diesel engine.
A new feature in the BT-50s engine is the variable-flow oil pump that helps maximize fuel efficiency. Rather than the conventional fixed-flow gear drive oil pump, it is accomplished with a chain driven oil pump located in the sump that matches the oil supply to the engine load. The variable-flow pump changes its capacity based on the engines demand for oil, by rotating the eccentric outer ring. This prevents wasting energy to pump oil that is not required to maintain engine operation.
These variable-flow pumps are much like power steering pumps, using vane elements in their design with the added ability to control flow rates at varied engine speeds. When the vehicle has the oil drained for an extended amount of time, the oil drains not only from the sump, but internally from the pump assembly. The vane type design appears to be less tolerable to being allowed to drain out and recover from that state thereafter.
Reports to Autodata are that if the engine oil and filter are changed in service and the oil is left to drain longer than 10 minutes, the oil pump may fail to prime and leave the engine in a critical no lubrication situation. Attempts to prime the pump by increasing the rpm fails to solve the problem, and will lead to component failure from lack of lubrication.
Cheers - John
ken thomas said
01:19 PM May 8, 2014
Hello MJ
The new PX ranger and BT 50 have 15000k servicing because they use synthetic oils which last longer than mineral oils
I do mine at the recommended services and I alway check my oil level every now and then and oil colour is still fine.
With the prado the oil colour would be black after 500ks,
Other manf such as BMW have even longer servicing periods
ken
MaryJane said
04:29 PM May 8, 2014
Tim thetruckie wrote:
MaryJane wrote:
I am reluctantly considering changing my tow.
im liking the Ranger. My biggest question is... Why do Ford state servicing at 12months or $15,000 kms, when Toyota and Mazda state 6months or 10,000kms?
would it be detrimental to have longer servicing periods for a diesel Motor?
Thanks,
MJ
MJ what year model Ranger do you have ? I have both BT50 and Ranger and they are 10000k service .
Tim,
I haven't bought a new car yet, just exploring all avenues. But a 2014 Ranger is now at 15,000kms. Dun Wurkin has put a post below stating they use synthetic oils now, hence difference.
MJ
-- Edited by MaryJane on Thursday 8th of May 2014 04:30:28 PM
MaryJane said
04:33 PM May 8, 2014
Thanks all for feedback, particularly the BT50. I know a couple of people wth BT's so I'll pass it forward.
Guess if I take the plunge I'll learn do do my own oil change. What do you do with the oil after a change?
Cheers,
MJ
Cupie said
11:23 PM May 8, 2014
MaryJane wrote:
Snip ..
What do you do with the oil after a change? Cheers, MJ
I use an old watering can to spread it on the crusher dust 'path' around my greenhouse up in the back corner.
Smell goes away after a bit & the weeds don't grow & the soil compacts.
I think that in Brisbane the council has a free dump point at the local refuse station.
-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 8th of May 2014 11:24:27 PM
ken thomas said
12:55 PM May 9, 2014
MJ
I think you are a long way off doing your own oil changes at least until the warranty runs out
Ken
MaryJane said
09:45 PM May 10, 2014
Lol! Ur likely right Ken .... I'm just trying to cover all bases, be informed before I take any expensive plunges
-- Edited by MaryJane on Saturday 10th of May 2014 09:45:35 PM
Aus-Kiwi said
02:00 AM May 11, 2014
Drop the oil off at any service / workshop..
bowser said
08:43 PM May 11, 2014
MJ
I have a Ranger, I change oil and all filters at 6000, I feel that cheap compared to a new motor.
Bowser.
MaryJane said
07:01 PM May 12, 2014
Thanks everyone for all the responses !
Phil C said
10:23 AM May 18, 2014
I have had a look at the book in my new (now 18000KMs) 2012 Ranger XL. It states that a service cycle should be 10000KMs when towing or in adverse conditions. Maybe a 10000KM service should be on every grey nomads diary.
Aus-Kiwi said
04:40 PM Jun 1, 2014
Aha the tug or ourselves ?? Aha If it only helped !!
I am reluctantly considering changing my tow.
im liking the Ranger. My biggest question is... Why do Ford state servicing at 12months or $15,000 kms, when Toyota and Mazda state 6months or 10,000kms?
would it be detrimental to have longer servicing periods for a diesel Motor?
Thanks,
MJ
Also and as well even, check out the Mazda BT50, Holden Colorado and the Izuzu DMax.
I'm currently in Townsville and will spend some time checking all mentioned myself, you never know what can happen. I'm also thinking going single cab to get longer closed in tray at back for sleeping if required at any time. Only looking and thinking.
Gday...
Even before I retired and began travelling full-time I have always changed engine oil and engine oil filter at half the "manufacturer's recommended" interval.
With my 60, 80 and 100 Series Landcruisers it was at 5,000km. With the three HiLux diesels I have had, again it was 5,000km for oil/filter changes.
I now have a Discovery 3 - recommended oil change intervals is 12,000km - I change engine oil and engine oil filter every 6,000km.
I also change the auto transmission fluid every 40,000km (Land Rover specs say the auto trans is "sealed for life" and their specs say the first time to do the auto trans oil is 240,000km). I also get the transfer box and diff oils changed at 40,000km as well.
Oil and filters are much cheaper than replacing/fixing a motor or transmission.
Perhaps others have differing views, but I would much rather have good oil helping the mechanicals to give me their best performance.
Cheers - John
MJ what year model Ranger do you have ? I have both BT50 and Ranger and they are 10000k service .
but if i didn't tow with it 15k would be ok thats my own feelings on the matter regards ian
I have a Colorado and change the oil,oil & fuel filter ever 10k. Fuel filters are very important when travelling out west.
Wassa
Interstate driving is much easier on a diesel than short cold trips around town..
If your vehicle does longer trips then service can be close to manu spec..
Depends on conditions? If its been driven in sandy or dusty conditions etc..
Sealed for life = Sealed for warranty period..
Yes I change my vehicles twice a year ..
On my motorhome .. Usually before we go away on interstate trip..
Not sure if this is real or not but just in case ..
I was told yesterday that an oil pump issue with BT50s has resulted in the destruction of motors.
It seems that the oil pump is not self priming & if there is a time lapse of 4 or 5 minutes or more between draining the old oil & adding the new, the oil pump can drain (& not subsequently self priming) with obvious results.
Might be worth checking this out if you have a BT50 & do your own oil changes.
Gday...
I too had heard this information. I have just googled extensively and have much information confirming that advice. The only "authoritative" document I can find is here -
http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=05bb76a3fefe8ba5a3ef69e1b&id=7fa28d77b7&e=52270a5438http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=05bb76a3fefe8ba5a3ef69e1b&id=7fa28d77b7&e=52270a5438
The relevant text in that site is -
Technical Bulletin
In case you missed our December Extra Bulletin
Service warning: Mazda BT-50 / Ford Ranger new generation 5cyl diesel models UP0YF1 When draining the oil, ensure that the total drain time does not exceed 10 minutes.
Field reports indicated that there may be an issue with the variable-flow oil pump fitted to Mazdas new generation BT-50, 5 cylinder common rail diesel engine.
A new feature in the BT-50s engine is the variable-flow oil pump that helps maximize fuel efficiency. Rather than the conventional fixed-flow gear drive oil pump, it is accomplished with a chain driven oil pump located in the sump that matches the oil supply to the engine load. The variable-flow pump changes its capacity based on the engines demand for oil, by rotating the eccentric outer ring. This prevents wasting energy to pump oil that is not required to maintain engine operation.
These variable-flow pumps are much like power steering pumps, using vane elements in their design with the added ability to control flow rates at varied engine speeds. When the vehicle has the oil drained for an extended amount of time, the oil drains not only from the sump, but internally from the pump assembly. The vane type design appears to be less tolerable to being allowed to drain out and recover from that state thereafter.
Reports to Autodata are that if the engine oil and filter are changed in service and the oil is left to drain longer than 10 minutes, the oil pump may fail to prime and leave the engine in a critical no lubrication situation. Attempts to prime the pump by increasing the rpm fails to solve the problem, and will lead to component failure from lack of lubrication.
Cheers - John
The new PX ranger and BT 50 have 15000k servicing because they use synthetic oils which last longer than mineral oils
I do mine at the recommended services and I alway check my oil level every now and then and oil colour is still fine.
With the prado the oil colour would be black after 500ks,
Other manf such as BMW have even longer servicing periods
ken
Tim,
I haven't bought a new car yet, just exploring all avenues. But a 2014 Ranger is now at 15,000kms. Dun Wurkin has put a post below stating they use synthetic oils now, hence difference.
MJ
-- Edited by MaryJane on Thursday 8th of May 2014 04:30:28 PM
Guess if I take the plunge I'll learn do do my own oil change. What do you do with the oil after a change?
Cheers,
MJ
I use an old watering can to spread it on the crusher dust 'path' around my greenhouse up in the back corner.
Smell goes away after a bit & the weeds don't grow & the soil compacts.
I think that in Brisbane the council has a free dump point at the local refuse station.
-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 8th of May 2014 11:24:27 PM
I think you are a long way off doing your own oil changes at least until the warranty runs out
Ken
Lol! Ur likely right Ken .... I'm just trying to cover all bases, be informed before I take any expensive plunges
-- Edited by MaryJane on Saturday 10th of May 2014 09:45:35 PM
MJ
I have a Ranger, I change oil and all filters at 6000, I feel that cheap compared to a new motor.
Bowser.