Have you heard of this conspiracy theory re the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:
The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.
Very in ter rest ing.
Vic41 said
10:48 AM Apr 3, 2014
It would make a good movie script dING
aussietraveller said
12:24 PM Apr 3, 2014
There will always be some one who will dream up a crazy theory for any incident and here we have another one
jimbo said
12:34 PM Apr 3, 2014
Would not be surprised at anything anymore
bill12 said
01:56 PM Apr 3, 2014
Beware- there are reds under the bed.........Bill
kiwijims said
02:05 PM Apr 3, 2014
I was wondering how long it would take for this type of thing to start appearing.
Although SWMBO, who is a bit of a Physic and has had some weird premonitions in the past, firmly believes that the people on board that flight , are still alive, guess time will tell. She also reckons they are looking in the wrong direction, go North she said, that's where they are.
Any more theories. ????
K.J.
dorian said
02:23 PM Apr 3, 2014
Oh lord, please save us from the hallucinations of "physics".
Pretty much the affect that physics (sic) have on me.
Ain't it amazing how many of these physics (sic) publicise their premonitions after the event.
dING said
03:59 PM Apr 3, 2014
Amusing but the Malaysian Government
Did refuse to tel the Australian Government
What was on the cargo manifest which is
Just the thing to help propagate a rumor
-- Edited by dING on Thursday 3rd of April 2014 04:00:15 PM
KFT said
04:28 PM Apr 3, 2014
just for a moment there I had the impression you blokes were chatting about Psychics
but a premonition tells me I could be way off
frank
littledick said
08:29 AM Apr 4, 2014
I find it hard to believe with all those people onboard, if trouble was looming, none had time to use their
mobile phone!
Dick.
Vic41 said
10:44 AM Apr 4, 2014
dING wrote:
So another starts and hits the road
Some Peeps dont have enough to do
This was sent to me yesterday no doubt
Many will believe
-------- Original Message --------
A theory
BUT RATHER SCARY !!!!!!!
Have you heard of this conspiracy theory re the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:
The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges. .........................................................................
I received the same story by email today, claimed it was put out by someone in Israel.....
Big Gorilla said
12:55 PM Apr 4, 2014
And another:
Supposedly from a retired AF colonel, now a pilot for American Airlines (AA), flying the Boeing 777.
Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia B-777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. Its also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesnt workas the Asiana guys in San Fran showed us. A perfectly good airplane on a beautiful, sunny dayand they were able to crash it. It took some doing, but they were able to defeat a bunch of safety systems and get it to where the airplane would not help them and the pilots were too stupid/scared/unskilled/tired to save themselves
Theres many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane. It is tough to screw up and the airplane will alert you in many ways (noises, alarms, bells and whistles, plus feed back thru the control yoke and rudder pedals and throttles. In some cases the airplanes throttles come alive if you are going too slow for a sustained period of time) All designed to help. But, its also non-intrusive. If you fly the airplane in the parameters it was designed for, you will never know these other things exist. The computers actually help you and the designers made it for the way pilots think and react. Very Nice.
Now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane. 3 VHF radios. 2 SatCom systems. 2 HF radio systems. Plus Transpoders and active, real time monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.
But, there are a few systems that cant be turned off and one, as reported by the WSJ, is the engine monitoring systems (not sure what the acronym for that is, but Im sure there is one.its aviationthere has to be an acronym!). The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia.Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers.because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasnt bad enough to set off the airplanes alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in Texas, Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine. Also, during the descent, dont retard the throttle to idlekeep it at or above a certain rpm. Additionally, they wanted the crew to turn on the engine anti ice system as this heats some of the engine components.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using its redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the aironly on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was, that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. The WSJ reported that RR indicated the engines on the Malaysia 777 were running normally for 4 to 5 hours after the reported disappearance. Malaysia denies this. We shall see.
Parting shot. If you travel by air, avoid the 3rd world airlines. Their operators and maintenance are substandard. Substandard when traveling by Bus or Boat isnt so bad when the engines quit. You just stop on the water or by the side of the road. Not so in airplanes. My piece of advice.if traveling by air use 1st world airlines. So, that leaves USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, most of Europe, Japan and just a few others. Avoid the rest.just my opinion. If you get a real deal on air fare from Air Jabootiskip it. Oh, there are a lot of the developing countries that use expatriate pilots from the 1st world. Emirates and Air Jordan come to mind and are very safe. As is Cathay Pacific. Air Pakistan and EgyptAirnot so much.
dorian said
02:07 PM Apr 4, 2014
Big Gorilla wrote:
And another:
The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia.Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers.because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure.
Rolls Royce Trent quality control, or lack thereof, was the root cause of the engine fire that almost brought down Qantas Flight 32 (an Airbus A380).
"The investigation by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau indicated that "fatigue cracking" in a stub pipe within the engine resulted in oil leakage followed by an oil fire in the engine. The fire led to the release of the Intermediate Pressure Turbine (IPT) disc. It also said the issue is specific to the Trent 900.
Rolls Royce determined that the direct cause of the oil fire and resulting engine failure was a misaligned counter bore within a stub oil pipe leading to a fatigue fracture. The ATSB's preliminary investigation report confirmed Rolls Royce's findings."
When I saw the cross-section of the pipe in a recent Air Crash Investigations episode, I was appalled at just how thin it was. It was the kind of botch-up you'd expect in a Chinese made lawnmower, not a multi-million dollar piece of machinery.
dorian said
02:15 PM Apr 4, 2014
Santa wrote:
Ain't it amazing how many of these physics (sic) publicise their premonitions after the event.
So another starts and hits the road
Some Peeps dont have enough to do
This was sent to me yesterday no doubt
Many will believe
-------- Original Message --------
A theory
BUT RATHER SCARY !!!!!!!
Have you heard of this conspiracy theory re the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:
The American is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.
When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges.
It would make a good movie script dING
Would not be surprised at anything anymore
I was wondering how long it would take for this type of thing to start appearing.
Although SWMBO, who is a bit of a Physic and has had some weird premonitions in the past, firmly believes that the people on board that flight , are still alive, guess time will tell. She also reckons they are looking in the wrong direction, go North she said, that's where they are.
Any more theories. ????
K.J.
Physic
One definition,
Amusing but the Malaysian Government
Did refuse to tel the Australian Government
What was on the cargo manifest which is
Just the thing to help propagate a rumor
-- Edited by dING on Thursday 3rd of April 2014 04:00:15 PM
but a premonition tells me I could be way off
frank
I find it hard to believe with all those people onboard, if trouble was looming, none had time to use their
mobile phone!
Dick.
I received the same story by email today, claimed it was put out by someone in Israel.....
And another:
Supposedly from a retired AF colonel, now a pilot for American Airlines (AA), flying the Boeing 777.
Just a quick update with what I know about the Malaysia B-777 disappearance. The Boeing 777 is the airplane that I fly. It is a great, safe airplane to fly. It has, for the most part, triple redundancy in most of its systems, so if one complete system breaks (not just parts of a system), there are usually 2 more to carry the load. Its also designed to be easy to employ so 3rd world pilots can successfully fly it. Sometimes, even that doesnt workas the Asiana guys in San Fran showed us. A perfectly good airplane on a beautiful, sunny dayand they were able to crash it. It took some doing, but they were able to defeat a bunch of safety systems and get it to where the airplane would not help them and the pilots were too stupid/scared/unskilled/tired to save themselves
Theres many ways to fly the 777 and there are safety layers and redundancies built into the airplane. It is tough to screw up and the airplane will alert you in many ways (noises, alarms, bells and whistles, plus feed back thru the control yoke and rudder pedals and throttles. In some cases the airplanes throttles come alive if you are going too slow for a sustained period of time) All designed to help. But, its also non-intrusive. If you fly the airplane in the parameters it was designed for, you will never know these other things exist. The computers actually help you and the designers made it for the way pilots think and react. Very Nice.
Now to Malaysia. There are so many communication systems on the airplane. 3 VHF radios. 2 SatCom systems. 2 HF radio systems. Plus Transpoders and active, real time monitoring through CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service) through the SatCom systems and ACARS (Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System) thru the VHF, HF and SatCom systems. The air traffic controllers can tell where we are, speed, altitude, etc as well as what our computers and flight guidance system has set into our control panels. Big Brother for sure! However, most of these things can be turned off.
But, there are a few systems that cant be turned off and one, as reported by the WSJ, is the engine monitoring systems (not sure what the acronym for that is, but Im sure there is one.its aviationthere has to be an acronym!). The Malaysia airplane, like our 777-200s, use Rolls Royce Trent Engines (as a piece of trivia.Rolls Royce names their motors after rivers.because they always keep on running!) Rolls Royce leases these motors to us and they monitor them all the time they are running. In fact, a few years back, one of our 777s developed a slow oil leak due and partial equipment failure. It wasnt bad enough to set off the airplanes alerting system, but RR was looking at it on their computers. They are in England, they contact our dispatch in Texas, Dispatch sends a message to the crew via SatCom in the North Pacific, telling them that RR wants them to closely monitor oil pressure and temp on the left engine. Also, during the descent, dont retard the throttle to idlekeep it at or above a certain rpm. Additionally, they wanted the crew to turn on the engine anti ice system as this heats some of the engine components.
The crew did all of that and landed uneventfully, but after landing and during the taxi in, the left engine shut itself down using its redundant, computerized operating system that has a logic tree that will not allow it to be shut down if the airplane is in the aironly on the ground. Pretty good tech. Anyway, the point was, that RR monitors those engines 100% of the time they are operating. The WSJ reported that RR indicated the engines on the Malaysia 777 were running normally for 4 to 5 hours after the reported disappearance. Malaysia denies this. We shall see.
Parting shot. If you travel by air, avoid the 3rd world airlines. Their operators and maintenance are substandard. Substandard when traveling by Bus or Boat isnt so bad when the engines quit. You just stop on the water or by the side of the road. Not so in airplanes. My piece of advice.if traveling by air use 1st world airlines. So, that leaves USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, most of Europe, Japan and just a few others. Avoid the rest.just my opinion. If you get a real deal on air fare from Air Jabootiskip it. Oh, there are a lot of the developing countries that use expatriate pilots from the 1st world. Emirates and Air Jordan come to mind and are very safe. As is Cathay Pacific. Air Pakistan and EgyptAirnot so much.
Rolls Royce Trent quality control, or lack thereof, was the root cause of the engine fire that almost brought down Qantas Flight 32 (an Airbus A380).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32
"The investigation by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau indicated that "fatigue cracking" in a stub pipe within the engine resulted in oil leakage followed by an oil fire in the engine. The fire led to the release of the Intermediate Pressure Turbine (IPT) disc. It also said the issue is specific to the Trent 900.
Rolls Royce determined that the direct cause of the oil fire and resulting engine failure was a misaligned counter bore within a stub oil pipe leading to a fatigue fracture. The ATSB's preliminary investigation report confirmed Rolls Royce's findings."
When I saw the cross-section of the pipe in a recent Air Crash Investigations episode, I was appalled at just how thin it was. It was the kind of botch-up you'd expect in a Chinese made lawnmower, not a multi-million dollar piece of machinery.
I think they should all see a good physicist.