Looking at a Ryobi 2000W 4 stroke inverter genrator set up about $800 at Bunnings - comes with a 2 year Ryobi warranty
Specs are very similar to most 2000W, 4 stroke inverter gen sets - http://www.ryobi.com.au/Products/Generators/Inverters/RIG2000
An attractive price, longer warranty & with Bunnings well spread around and Ryobi well known, parts & warranty don't seem to be a serious potential problem.
I have a number of small engine Ryobi products - some now well aged and still totally reliable.
After any comments - use is for occasional air con use and backup should the sun stop shining sufficently as the van is fully 12v solar excepting for air con & Camac washing machine (a 300 to 600w PSW inverter can easily work the WM ) but take the cost of the inverter from the $800 and the Ryobi gen certainly would seem good value for the intended use.
Yes I know it is not a HONDA or YAMAHA - neither is the price
Thanks
UPO - Richard
oldbobsbus said
01:12 PM Jan 30, 2014
Generator threads have been done over and over and they all come to the same conclusion..
Buy a Honda, Onan, or a Yammie..
UPO said
02:00 PM Jan 30, 2014
Bob, if I was prepared to lash out the cash required for one of the brands you suggest, I would just go & buy it, I would NOT be seeking forum comments.
I am NOT prepared to invest that amount, hence my question requesting viable comments relating to a well known alternative brand
that forum members have first hand knowledge or experience with.
Richard
bill12 said
02:28 PM Jan 30, 2014
It all depends on price, and how much you are going to use it. I have a Chinese version, and don,t use it all that much, and it was a sixth of the price of a Honda.You cannot tell me a Honda is six times as good.The Chinese one will run all my aircon, microwave, and washing machines. I have run it for 8 hrs on 2ltrs of unleaded,reliabley. Its all up toyou. Bill
Plendo said
03:43 PM Jan 30, 2014
I have also been looking at generators, and I believe ther eis a significant difference between how the "expensive" brand name products are made, and the cheap no name brands. Probably the most significant of these differences would be the presence and quality of the bearings. If I was going to rely on a generator as my only real source of power, then there is no question, I would be buying one of the big well known brands.
Given that I believe I have over speced my electrical system, it is likely that the generator I buy will sit in its storage space, and only get pulled out occasionally to make sure it still works. It will only be there as insurance. For this reason I intend to buy a small version of one of the cheaper brands.
If you are looking for a big brand alternative (as in you expect it to get heavy use), I would be contacting Ryobi Australia and asking them how suitable the unit would be for your intended use. I expect they will be relatively honest, in other words if they do not think it is appropriate they will tell you.
Delta18 said
04:31 PM Jan 30, 2014
Don't forget, the Ryobi (for instance) you buy from Bunnings is not necessarily the same Ryobi product you would get from Mitre 10. Bunnings spec stuff from China that they can sell cheaper than anyone else because it is not the same product.
This is how they offer to "beat any other cheaper price on the same product by 15%" They can do this because in a lot of cases no-one else stocks the SAME product.
Although they say it is a 2,000 W model it only has a continuous rating of 1,600 W. When it comes to starting equipment with motors you often require a peak (surge) capacity of four times the continuous power draw of the device. Units with a "soft start" can get away with less peak rating. You can figure if you have enough starting capacity by looking at the power rating in the handbooks/data sheets of the equipment you desire to operate from the generator.
-- Edited by PeterD on Thursday 30th of January 2014 04:46:37 PM
-- Edited by PeterD on Thursday 30th of January 2014 04:50:17 PM
GaryKelly said
04:48 PM Jan 30, 2014
Barnacle Bill has a washing machine? Well, I'll be...
bill12 said
06:32 PM Jan 30, 2014
At HOME , not in the slide on. I ran the fridge,tv and the aircin at the same time , at home. You have tostagger the starts. Mines a Praelia, and cost $317, delivered, on fleabay. Bill
Bryan said
10:11 PM Jan 30, 2014
I bought a 1000w Kipor two years ago from Bunnings for $800.00. It doesn't get used all the time but its there as an emergency. Never had any problems. If I had to buy again, I would buy the Kipor 2300w again for around $1,100 now.
Baz421 said
10:28 PM Jan 30, 2014
oldbobsbus wrote:
Generator threads have been done over and over and they all come to the same conclusion..
Buy a Honda, Onan, or a Yammie..
Well UPO doesn't seem to like your response BOb. I do as you say it's been done to death,,,,,,, "you get what you pay for" works well for gennies. How many have lamented their purchase.
UPO I suggest you find out who repairs them under warranty in your location,,,, look to see how many are there and why,,, you may be surprised.
Example: I went to a BIG electrical repairer a few weeks ago for a record player belt,,,, discoverred one brand of TV absolutely littered the place waiting for repairs/warranty approval ( seemed a bit slow getting approval) PLUS heaps of others never to be repaired. ie they are uneconomical to repair.
Lesson: You get what you pay for.
PS: As Plendo said,, often the quality is not the same,,, as many have discoverred Aussie are suckers for "cheap" and then complain when they find out they were seconds or contain parts not up to spec.
I have no issue with Ryobi as I use their power tools etc with good results.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Thursday 30th of January 2014 10:29:22 PM
oldbobsbus said
09:25 AM Jan 31, 2014
Baz421 wrote:
Lesson: You get what you pay for.
PS: As Plendo said,, often the quality is not the same,,, as many have discovered Aussie are suckers for "cheap" and then complain when they find out they were seconds or contain parts not up to spec.
I have no issue with Ryobi as I use their power tools etc with good results.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Thursday 30th of January 2014 10:29:22 PM
I always say "Pay peanuts get monkeys"
I have mentioned this before on other similar threads, a friend had his genny stolen and was a bit strapped for case so he went to Bunnings and bought a branded 2kva genny for considerably less than he would have had to pay for one the same as was stolen, he was/is a medium user of a genny and was assured by the salesperson it would handle his job..
1 week later it locked up so he took it back and they said sorry and gave him another one..
5 days later he was back again with the same problem another new genny...
it lasted a day longer and when he took it back they said it must be a bad batch and gave him his money back and he scraped up the difference and bought a decent one and it is still going to this day and that was 2 yrs ago..
I have had my Honda now for about 3 yrs and I know when I go to start it it will be there for me everytime
UPO said
09:26 AM Jan 31, 2014
Interesting price RISE in the last few days Was at Bunnings Victoria Point Qld early in the week and read the specs on the Ryobi & Kipor boxes on the shelf and the Ryobi was then $799 according to the shelf price sticker -
Thanks to those who provided insights to their gen use / expectations etc - looking at standby / occasional use only as all essential gear in the van is 12V with solar charging.
Totally agree that the intended / expected level of use dictates the quality of the product required and hence the price involved.
I have a 20 year old HONDA 4 stroke lawnmower that has done a vast amount of work and is 100% reliable - friend has a small 600W HONDA gen set that spent about 15 years on a cruising yacht with fairly decent use and is still going. Both HONDA products were not cheap and were bought for the intended purposes and have been good value purchases.
Our intended purpose is similar to several others - occasional & fall back use - so a top end equipment investment is, as a value judgement, not necessarily required - in our case I am not going unknown fleabay type product ( which may very well give years of reliable use ) but a known and nationally supported item - just a pity about the price rise - still $1000 less so not all bad
UPO - Richard
Phil C said
03:46 PM Jan 31, 2014
Hi Richard. I have bitten the bullet and got a honda, it does all I want it too. Apart from that make sure its a "pure sine wave" not modified sine wave. The latter may damage some of your more sensitive gear. No more to say...
Murraman said
08:23 PM Jan 31, 2014
I bought a 2nd hand Yamaha 2400is low hrs for $1100 purrs like a kitten, I considered all the options myself and decided to go 2nd hand yammie. I'm happy with my decision.
goldcoaster said
08:23 AM Feb 2, 2014
Just put my two cents worth in. I had a chinese ebay genie, lasted about 12mths limited use , remote start one , battery died couldn't get a replacement anywhere , tried to get it repaired no one would touch it. We have had a Honda now for 3 years and it hasn't missed a beat and it cops a flogging at home as our power goes off with the first clap of thunder.
Looking at a Ryobi 2000W 4 stroke inverter genrator set up about $800 at Bunnings - comes with a 2 year Ryobi warranty
Specs are very similar to most 2000W, 4 stroke inverter gen sets - http://www.ryobi.com.au/Products/Generators/Inverters/RIG2000
An attractive price, longer warranty & with Bunnings well spread around and Ryobi well known, parts & warranty don't seem to be a serious potential problem.
I have a number of small engine Ryobi products - some now well aged and still totally reliable.
After any comments - use is for occasional air con use and backup should the sun stop shining sufficently as the van is fully 12v solar excepting for air con & Camac washing machine (a 300 to 600w PSW inverter can easily work the WM ) but take the cost of the inverter from the $800 and the Ryobi gen certainly would seem good value for the intended use.
Yes I know it is not a HONDA or YAMAHA - neither is the price
Thanks
UPO - Richard
Generator threads have been done over and over and they all come to the same conclusion..
Buy a Honda, Onan, or a Yammie..
Bob, if I was prepared to lash out the cash required for one of the brands you suggest, I would just go & buy it, I would NOT be seeking forum comments.
I am NOT prepared to invest that amount, hence my question requesting viable comments relating to a well known alternative brand
that forum members have first hand knowledge or experience with.
Richard
I have also been looking at generators, and I believe ther eis a significant difference between how the "expensive" brand name products are made, and the cheap no name brands. Probably the most significant of these differences would be the presence and quality of the bearings. If I was going to rely on a generator as my only real source of power, then there is no question, I would be buying one of the big well known brands.
Given that I believe I have over speced my electrical system, it is likely that the generator I buy will sit in its storage space, and only get pulled out occasionally to make sure it still works. It will only be there as insurance. For this reason I intend to buy a small version of one of the cheaper brands.
If you are looking for a big brand alternative (as in you expect it to get heavy use), I would be contacting Ryobi Australia and asking them how suitable the unit would be for your intended use. I expect they will be relatively honest, in other words if they do not think it is appropriate they will tell you.
Don't forget, the Ryobi (for instance) you buy from Bunnings is not necessarily the same Ryobi product you would get from Mitre 10. Bunnings spec stuff from China that they can sell cheaper than anyone else because it is not the same product.
This is how they offer to "beat any other cheaper price on the same product by 15%" They can do this because in a lot of cases no-one else stocks the SAME product.
Is this the one? - It looks more like $900.
Although they say it is a 2,000 W model it only has a continuous rating of 1,600 W. When it comes to starting equipment with motors you often require a peak (surge) capacity of four times the continuous power draw of the device. Units with a "soft start" can get away with less peak rating. You can figure if you have enough starting capacity by looking at the power rating in the handbooks/data sheets of the equipment you desire to operate from the generator.
-- Edited by PeterD on Thursday 30th of January 2014 04:46:37 PM
-- Edited by PeterD on Thursday 30th of January 2014 04:50:17 PM
Well UPO doesn't seem to like your response BOb. I do as you say it's been done to death,,,,,,, "you get what you pay for" works well for gennies. How many have lamented their purchase.
UPO I suggest you find out who repairs them under warranty in your location,,,, look to see how many are there and why,,, you may be surprised.
Example: I went to a BIG electrical repairer a few weeks ago for a record player belt,,,, discoverred one brand of TV absolutely littered the place waiting for repairs/warranty approval ( seemed a bit slow getting approval) PLUS heaps of others never to be repaired. ie they are uneconomical to repair.
Lesson: You get what you pay for.
PS: As Plendo said,, often the quality is not the same,,, as many have discoverred Aussie are suckers for "cheap" and then complain when they find out they were seconds or contain parts not up to spec.
I have no issue with Ryobi as I use their power tools etc with good results.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Thursday 30th of January 2014 10:29:22 PM
I always say "Pay peanuts get monkeys"
I have mentioned this before on other similar threads, a friend had his genny stolen and was a bit strapped for case so he went to Bunnings and bought a branded 2kva genny for considerably less than he would have had to pay for one the same as was stolen, he was/is a medium user of a genny and was assured by the salesperson it would handle his job..
1 week later it locked up so he took it back and they said sorry and gave him another one..
5 days later he was back again with the same problem another new genny...
it lasted a day longer and when he took it back they said it must be a bad batch and gave him his money back and he scraped up the difference and bought a decent one and it is still going to this day and that was 2 yrs ago..
I have had my Honda now for about 3 yrs and I know when I go to start it it will be there for me everytime
Interesting price RISE in the last few days
Was at Bunnings Victoria Point Qld early in the week and read the specs on the Ryobi & Kipor boxes on the shelf and the Ryobi was then $799 according to the shelf price sticker -
Thanks to those who provided insights to their gen use / expectations etc - looking at standby / occasional use only as all essential gear in the van is 12V with solar charging.
Totally agree that the intended / expected level of use dictates the quality of the product required and hence the price involved.
I have a 20 year old HONDA 4 stroke lawnmower that has done a vast amount of work and is 100% reliable - friend has a small 600W HONDA gen set that spent about 15 years on a cruising yacht with fairly decent use and is still going. Both HONDA products were not cheap and were bought for the intended purposes and have been good value purchases.
Our intended purpose is similar to several others - occasional & fall back use - so a top end equipment investment is, as a value judgement, not necessarily required - in our case I am not going unknown fleabay type product ( which may very well give years of reliable use ) but a known and nationally supported item - just a pity about the price rise - still $1000 less so not all bad
UPO - Richard