We went away with Mrs, son & grandkids down Nowra .. Then off on long weekend to Kandos..
Approx 4 times a car would pass in centre lane[ or right lane] and turn LEFT in front of me ??
Whats going on !!!! In most cases I was doing the speed limit too..
Don't they realise a 6 ton motorhome doesn't stop that quick and response time, maybe an old fella driving !!!
I we hit its goodby to there car and possibly their LIFE !!!
jules47 said
06:10 PM Jan 29, 2014
Had the same thing happen on the Pacific Highway over the last coupleof weeks - pass you, then turn left!!!!! Nothing behind us - we didn't have blinker on - so why!!????
Enigma said
06:20 PM Jan 29, 2014
I hate to say it, but,as an ex truckie ( still have license, just don't drive them), that's the argument for and against towing caravans on a car license.
No disrespect to you at all.
It's called defensive driving and so much harder nowadays.
20 odd years ago, I was taught to drive defensively to get my HC licence.
Always looking way ahead, at least 2 blocks in a city etc. Always check the the intersection even if your light is green.
And always anticipate the idiot infront. And check your mirrors so you know when the idiot behind becomes the idiot infront. And you see that person.
Because it's the idiot infront that will cut in and expect a truckie to pull up 28ton or more, just like that!
And that same person will cut infront of me towing 2.5 ton van.
And if I hit them from behind, I'm in the wrong.
Yep. It's frustrating as hell.
All I can suggest is be alert and defensive. Just a suggestion
Kooroorinya Kelpie said
07:01 PM Jan 29, 2014
Hi all. It seems to be that you don't need a long neck and white feathers to be a goose as previous posts prove. I don't do much highway/motorway/city driving nowdays, mostly on rural/regional roads where this sort of lunacy is rare and common courtesy is still in vogue. In the past I done a fair bit of city driving in semis and still recall some of the near misses through brain dead ba****ds who had no respect for anything on the road. Probably used more adrenaline in a day driving from Blacktown to the port container terminal than I use in a year now. When I first went for heavy vehicle driver instruction in the army the instructor emphasised that the key to survival was to treat every other driver as an incompetent, blind and deaf imbecile. That was nearly 50 years ago but it has always remained with me and is the reason I have never been in an accident where I was at fault. Have had the odd near miss where I would have been at fault and one day my luck may run out. There is no easy answer to the appalling driving manners of many present day steering wheel attendants, no ,they are not drivers in my opinion, as road safety campaigns costing billions have not worked, nor have increased penalties. Driver education in secondary schools may be a positive but as yet no definitive result in Qld. I firmly believe that the enforcement agencies on the highways should not be using the candy cars that they largely use today. Every highway patrol vehicle should be unmarked as the NSW coppers did back in about1992 when they had run of the mill vehicles, some several years old, fitted with high performance motors. I remember travelling from Sutherland shire to Nowra with a mate who was a bit of a leadfoot and seeing the look on his face when we were rounded up by a 10 year old Holden S/w complete with surf board on top and a full set of disco lights. Any means to get these apologies for drivers off the road is OK by me. Cheers.
GaryKelly said
08:37 PM Jan 29, 2014
I agree 100%. Defensive is the only way to go, and always expect the unexpected.
cooee said
08:48 PM Jan 29, 2014
Yes there sure are some bad drivers out there
Cooee
cooee said
08:50 PM Jan 29, 2014
The problem with bad drivers is that they often take an innocent persons life as well as or instead of their own.
Cooee
-- Edited by cooee on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 08:54:19 PM
-- Edited by cooee on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 08:54:45 PM
oldbobsbus said
09:04 PM Jan 29, 2014
A friend bought me the SD card out of their Dash Cam yesterday to have a look at and some of the things I saw were frightening, to the point that I am going to get one..
We have been on the road for the last couple of weeks and I admire a really good decisive driver that can read the traffic and conditions but some of them out there are like you said on a death mission..
mr glassies said
09:13 PM Jan 29, 2014
its not driving its anticipating thats what we do
dibs
Baz421 said
09:21 PM Jan 29, 2014
Enigma wrote:
I hate to say it, but,as an ex truckie ( still have license, just don't drive them), that's the argument for and against towing caravans on a car license. No disrespect to you at all. It's called defensive driving and so much harder nowadays. 20 odd years ago, I was taught to drive defensively to get my HC licence. Always looking way ahead, at least 2 blocks in a city etc. Always check the the intersection even if your light is green. And always anticipate the idiot infront. And check your mirrors so you know when the idiot behind becomes the idiot infront. And you see that person. Because it's the idiot infront that will cut in and expect a truckie to pull up 28ton or more, just like that! And that same person will cut infront of me towing 2.5 ton van. And if I hit them from behind, I'm in the wrong. Yep. It's frustrating as hell. All I can suggest is be alert and defensive. Just a suggestion
Top post one of the best I've read IMHO. You are spot on with what you say.
whitey2 said
10:12 PM Jan 29, 2014
It's for this reason we go west and be on any back roads and get off the main hwy (Bruce), hate being on that road.
Enigma I think yr spot on with your reply, be defensive, only way to be, expect the unexpected.
Kooroorinya Kelpie said
08:22 AM Jan 30, 2014
Hi all. We have dash cams in both the M/home and the Suzuki for the express purpose of recording incidents which will, inevitably, one day result in an accident. If the recording shows me to be in the wrong I will accept the consequences, if the other party/s are at fault then I hold all the aces. Many a driver has copped the pineapple treatment when they were the only occupant of their vehicle and the other vehicle has had multiple occupants (witnesses) and the Insurance companies will always take the latter if it is going to save them a payout. Cheers.
hako said
09:13 AM Jan 30, 2014
Have to agree totally with Enigma's post, but have to add that I'm a bit 'one out' in as much as I rarely see what I'd call "idiot" drivers. I see people scoot through the lights bordering on red, others overtaking when there is a risk and the odd slow driver, but this is not the norm and I view it pretty much as human nature. I personally view dash cameras as contributing to our increasingly litigious society - a bit like standing on a busy corner waiting for an accident to happen. My insurance can worry about that. Nothing really has changed in the 53 years I've been driving with regard to driving habits.
My attitude on the road is to be fully aware of what is around me and try as far as possible to not be in a position of risk both from my driving habits or the other drivers. Always plan ahead basically. I'd much prefer driving on any road than dodging through human traffic in a busy shopping centre where there are no rules or courtesy shown generally. I've never ever blown my horn.
Bottom line is that's just my opinion....works for me.
Good Luck.
Cloak said
09:36 AM Jan 30, 2014
Same here Hako, I drive like an old hat man not because I am one but because I've learned to be careful and aware of what's going on around.
I reckon the car is not the place for emotions so always cut people a lot of slack, sit back and enjoy driving. My wife on the other hand is aggressive
and get's into road rage situations all the time.
Not to say we have to just accept other peoples poor judgement, but of you are expecting bad driving or dangerous situations
then when it happens at least you are ready for it. I think it's part of defensive driving isn't it.
I try to apply aviation rules to driving - keep a keen lookout at all times and don't get distracted by what's going on in the cabin.
VFR
deverall11 said
05:56 PM Jan 30, 2014
Today some braindead jerk towing a squashed caravan with a blue flawed falcon wagon, twice not once, overtook us on the freeway into Sydney and both time cut in front of us as if his van wasn't there. Time for a dash camera.
Aus-Kiwi said
11:28 PM Jan 30, 2014
Have another 25 years on you Enigma .. I don't plan to have an accident..
Buying a dash cam for sure ..
I drive an EPV for work. Being a linesman.. Very rarely have same issues driving EPV which IS slow !!!
Zoomtopz said
07:09 AM Feb 1, 2014
this study was done Over 60yrs ago . & it STILL applies today-
It is Not th speed a vehicle in front is doing - a truck , mh or caravan .
"normies" are looking at a BIG thing in front of them , even a tray on a ute -
It BLOCKS their view - they have a Need to be able to See
so at times they Will do th Dumbest things , just so they can be on front of an obstruction
Kooroorinya Kelpie said
05:20 PM Feb 2, 2014
Zoomtopz maybe the 'normies' need to be reminded that the view from the inside of a coffin is very restricted.
We went away with Mrs, son & grandkids down Nowra .. Then off on long weekend to Kandos..
Approx 4 times a car would pass in centre lane[ or right lane] and turn LEFT in front of me ??
Whats going on !!!! In most cases I was doing the speed limit too..
Don't they realise a 6 ton motorhome doesn't stop that quick and response time, maybe an old fella driving !!!
I we hit its goodby to there car and possibly their LIFE !!!
No disrespect to you at all.
It's called defensive driving and so much harder nowadays.
20 odd years ago, I was taught to drive defensively to get my HC licence.
Always looking way ahead, at least 2 blocks in a city etc. Always check the the intersection even if your light is green.
And always anticipate the idiot infront. And check your mirrors so you know when the idiot behind becomes the idiot infront. And you see that person.
Because it's the idiot infront that will cut in and expect a truckie to pull up 28ton or more, just like that!
And that same person will cut infront of me towing 2.5 ton van.
And if I hit them from behind, I'm in the wrong.
Yep. It's frustrating as hell.
All I can suggest is be alert and defensive. Just a suggestion
Yes there sure are some bad drivers out there
Cooee
The problem with bad drivers is that they often take an innocent persons life as well as or instead of their own.
Cooee
-- Edited by cooee on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 08:54:19 PM
-- Edited by cooee on Wednesday 29th of January 2014 08:54:45 PM
A friend bought me the SD card out of their Dash Cam yesterday to have a look at and some of the things I saw were frightening, to the point that I am going to get one..
We have been on the road for the last couple of weeks and I admire a really good decisive driver that can read the traffic and conditions but some of them out there are like you said on a death mission..
dibs
Top post one of the best I've read IMHO. You are spot on with what you say.
Enigma I think yr spot on with your reply, be defensive, only way to be, expect the unexpected.
My attitude on the road is to be fully aware of what is around me and try as far as possible to not be in a position of risk both from my driving habits or the other drivers. Always plan ahead basically. I'd much prefer driving on any road than dodging through human traffic in a busy shopping centre where there are no rules or courtesy shown generally. I've never ever blown my horn.
Bottom line is that's just my opinion....works for me.
Good Luck.
I reckon the car is not the place for emotions so always cut people a lot of slack, sit back and enjoy driving. My wife on the other hand is aggressive
and get's into road rage situations all the time.
Not to say we have to just accept other peoples poor judgement, but of you are expecting bad driving or dangerous situations
then when it happens at least you are ready for it. I think it's part of defensive driving isn't it.
I try to apply aviation rules to driving - keep a keen lookout at all times and don't get distracted by what's going on in the cabin.
VFR
Buying a dash cam for sure ..
I drive an EPV for work. Being a linesman.. Very rarely have same issues driving EPV which IS slow !!!
this study was done Over 60yrs ago . & it STILL applies today-
It is Not th speed a vehicle in front is doing - a truck , mh or caravan .
"normies" are looking at a BIG thing in front of them , even a tray on a ute -
It BLOCKS their view - they have a Need to be able to See
so at times they Will do th Dumbest things , just so they can be on front of an obstruction