Hi there to all you travellers out there.. I have recently unsuccessfully attempted to connect water to mains supply. Water flows merrily out of the cold tap but be dammed , I cannot get water to flow from hot tap in basin , sink or shower. I have also left hot tap open for at least 20 min but still nothing.. I have tried putting some water in holding tank and switched on pump but to no avail.
Any suggestions ??
oldbobsbus said
06:49 AM Jan 9, 2014
My guess is you have a NON RETURN VALVE in the wrong place or on the wrong way..
It is stopping water from flowing through the HWS..
brian said
07:25 AM Jan 9, 2014
The first point of call will be the hot water tempering valve. It will have a small mesh filter on the incoming hot side, and you will find that it is blocked with detritus from the sacrificial anode in the hot water tank. Remove and clean tne filter and all will be right again.
Allan Marais said
08:02 AM Jan 9, 2014
Thanks for prompt response. I will attempt recovery the minute the rain stops and advise success rate.. We leave sat for the big lap!,,
_wombat_ said
09:05 AM Jan 9, 2014
you do not say if you have turned on the hot water service, have you?
brian said
09:38 AM Jan 9, 2014
He states that he can't get any water through the hot tap, and that action doesn't require the water to actually be hot.
KFT said
07:46 PM Jan 9, 2014
Try pulling the pressure release valve on the HWS and see if the unit actually has water in it.
we can then go from that point
frank
Baz421 said
10:00 PM Jan 9, 2014
KFT wrote:
Try pulling the pressure release valve on the HWS and see if the unit actually has water in it.
we can then go from that point
frank
Yep that is a good way to start Frank,, see if there is flow to the tank plus you can bleed out air.
Allan Marais said
08:27 PM Jan 13, 2014
Thanks for all the feedback but appears to have been more complicated thaN anticipated. Checked the tempering valve and removed- could not get water through.. Spoke to service outlet and there was a suggestion of calcification of valve so we replaced this. Strangely enough still no water in hot tank. We have now departed on a lap journey nod arrived at hat head nsw and explained problem to fellow trAveller. He suggested that we disconnect at the tank andwork backwards.. Lo and behold someone has turned the valve on the in line into an off position. Water was never going to get into the tank with this closed.. I wonder how this occurred?... I am the only one who works on the van except when it was serviced by the brake man. Anyway all working and happy at hAt head.. Thanks for support...
brian said
10:43 PM Jan 13, 2014
Allan Marais wrote:
Thanks for all the feedback but appears to have been more complicated thaN anticipated. Checked the tempering valve and removed- could not get water through.. Spoke to service outlet and there was a suggestion of calcification of valve so we replaced this. Strangely enough still no water in hot tank. We have now departed on a lap journey nod arrived at hat head nsw and explained problem to fellow trAveller. He suggested that we disconnect at the tank andwork backwards.. Lo and behold someone has turned the valve on the in line into an off position. Water was never going to get into the tank with this closed.. I wonder how this occurred?... I am the only one who works on the van except when it was serviced by the brake man. Anyway all working and happy at hAt head.. Thanks for support...
I'm a little confused here, the tempering valve is downstream of the hot water tank, it was never going to prevent water from entering the tank.
Did you not pull to relief valve to check that water was getting to the tank as was suggested a number of times?
It really bugs me when people ask for advice and then fail to pay heed to what is given.
oldbobsbus said
06:49 AM Jan 14, 2014
brian wrote:
It really bugs me when people ask for advice and then fail to pay heed to what is given.
And the ones that seek advice and then fail to come back and report on the results or even worse never come back..
Atleast Allan has reported back Brian..
KFT said
09:44 AM Jan 14, 2014
the problem is solved so why worry?
happens like this all the time and also what Bob says
you get used to it.
frank
brian said
12:52 PM Jan 14, 2014
KFT wrote:
the problem is solved so why worry?
happens like this all the time and also what Bob says
you get used to it.
frank
I agree that the problem is solved Frank.
He went to a lot of trouble that was unnecessary, purchased another tempering valve that was not needed, and all because he did not take notice of advice that he sought in the first place.
In my first piece of advice where I suggested that the tempering valve filter was the problem, I assumed that any reasonable person would have first checked that the water was at least getting to the hot water tank, silly me.
Others I note were more astute and understood that common sense is not so common, and so suggested that he check that fact. He still didn't do so and paid the price
Baz421 said
04:18 PM Jan 14, 2014
brian wrote:
The first point of call will be the hot water tempering valve. It will have a small mesh filter on the incoming hot side, and you will find that it is blocked with detritus from the sacrificial anode in the hot water tank. Remove and clean tne filter and all will be right again.
Brian,,, no use complaining about this,,,,,, re read YOUR ADVICE ABOVE,,, THAT YOU PROVIDED. Your original post was misleading and if you read the words literally it is 100% inacurate and based on assumptions. Leave Allan be as he sought advice in a genuine manner and followed up with what the resolution was.
You will find that in the world of responding to queries/training people such as this is, AS YOU HAVE FOUND OUT, you need to follow some basic rules when providing advice.
Number 1 is don't assume and keep advice simple and start from the start,,, water, electrical it doesn't matter,,,, do you have a supply????? If so do XYZ in sequence.
Number 2 is DON'T BE-LITTLE OTHERS WHO SEEK ADVICE.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Tuesday 14th of January 2014 04:19:43 PM
brian said
04:58 PM Jan 14, 2014
My advice was not misleading at all Baz. If he had done the most basic test that any reasonable person would have done before asking for help, then the mesh filter in the tempering valve was most definitely the problem.
Baz421 said
05:09 PM Jan 14, 2014
brian wrote:
My advice was not misleading at all Baz. If he had done the most basic test that any reasonable person would have done before asking for help, then the mesh filter in the tempering valve was most definitely the problem.
You missed the point Brian,,,,,,, a "reasonable" person as you allude to, would probably not need to ask what to do. we can't all be experts eh, hence a genuine query.
A reasonable person may read your post (literally, ie what the words say) and hey presto you say the problem is solved, its not IMHO.
I'll give you an example,,, I was in the RAAF with a brilliant aeronautical engineer, he developed/wrote software programs that were sold back to the American manufacturers, however he found it very difficult to resolve everyday problems or some simple tasks that required physical dexterity.
So we are not "all the same" and you can't put a simple label on "reasonable" person,,, just like common sense,,, how do we define it????
Allan Marais said
07:41 PM Jan 14, 2014
Wow stop the heckling fellas, this is not a issue to stress over. I made a mistake and have moved on.. Thank you all for valuable feedback and info. I will be a little more careful in future.. Beautiful day in hat head national park...
Any suggestions ??
It is stopping water from flowing through the HWS..
Thanks for prompt response. I will attempt recovery the minute the rain stops and advise success rate.. We leave sat for the big lap!,,
you do not say if you have turned on the hot water service, have you?
we can then go from that point
frank
Yep that is a good way to start Frank,, see if there is flow to the tank plus you can bleed out air.
Thanks for all the feedback but appears to have been more complicated thaN anticipated. Checked the tempering valve and removed- could not get water through.. Spoke to service outlet and there was a suggestion of calcification of valve so we replaced this. Strangely enough still no water in hot tank. We have now departed on a lap journey nod arrived at hat head nsw and explained problem to fellow trAveller. He suggested that we disconnect at the tank andwork backwards.. Lo and behold someone has turned the valve on the in line into an off position. Water was never going to get into the tank with this closed.. I wonder how this occurred?... I am the only one who works on the van except when it was serviced by the brake man. Anyway all working and happy at hAt head.. Thanks for support...
I'm a little confused here, the tempering valve is downstream of the hot water tank, it was never going to prevent water from entering the tank.
Did you not pull to relief valve to check that water was getting to the tank as was suggested a number of times?
It really bugs me when people ask for advice and then fail to pay heed to what is given.
And the ones that seek advice and then fail to come back and report on the results or even worse never come back..
Atleast Allan has reported back Brian..
happens like this all the time and also what Bob says
you get used to it.
frank
I agree that the problem is solved Frank.
He went to a lot of trouble that was unnecessary, purchased another tempering valve that was not needed, and all because he did not take notice of advice that he sought in the first place.
In my first piece of advice where I suggested that the tempering valve filter was the problem, I assumed that any reasonable person would have first checked that the water was at least getting to the hot water tank, silly me.
Others I note were more astute and understood that common sense is not so common, and so suggested that he check that fact. He still didn't do so and paid the price
Brian,,, no use complaining about this,,,,,, re read YOUR ADVICE ABOVE,,, THAT YOU PROVIDED. Your original post was misleading and if you read the words literally it is 100% inacurate and based on assumptions. Leave Allan be as he sought advice in a genuine manner and followed up with what the resolution was.
You will find that in the world of responding to queries/training people such as this is, AS YOU HAVE FOUND OUT, you need to follow some basic rules when providing advice.
Number 1 is don't assume and keep advice simple and start from the start,,, water, electrical it doesn't matter,,,, do you have a supply????? If so do XYZ in sequence.
Number 2 is DON'T BE-LITTLE OTHERS WHO SEEK ADVICE.
-- Edited by Baz421 on Tuesday 14th of January 2014 04:19:43 PM
My advice was not misleading at all Baz. If he had done the most basic test that any reasonable person would have done before asking for help, then the mesh filter in the tempering valve was most definitely the problem.
You missed the point Brian,,,,,,, a "reasonable" person as you allude to, would probably not need to ask what to do. we can't all be experts eh, hence a genuine query.
A reasonable person may read your post (literally, ie what the words say) and hey presto you say the problem is solved, its not IMHO.
I'll give you an example,,, I was in the RAAF with a brilliant aeronautical engineer, he developed/wrote software programs that were sold back to the American manufacturers, however he found it very difficult to resolve everyday problems or some simple tasks that required physical dexterity.
So we are not "all the same" and you can't put a simple label on "reasonable" person,,, just like common sense,,, how do we define it????
Wow stop the heckling fellas, this is not a issue to stress over. I made a mistake and have moved on.. Thank you all for valuable feedback and info. I will be a little more careful in future.. Beautiful day in hat head national park...