Just wondering what the difference is between Truck diesel & the diesel from the car bowsers. I pulled up at the servo yesterday and there was a line up at the diesel bowser, so I snuck around to the fast flow pump out the back, there was an 8 cent difference in price ( I didn't know this at the time ). Just curious why the diesel at the truck bowsers is cheaper, is there any difference in the product.
Woolly
Cloak said
12:06 PM Dec 26, 2013
Not as far as I know Woolly. I've used both on my $350,000 truck and never had a problem.
SnowT said
12:12 PM Dec 26, 2013
hiya Woolly.
IF there was a Difference between the 2 pump's, they would need to indicate the difference.. similar to the difference between the different Petrol Price's..
- If there is no Indication that the fuel is Different.. it not..
- there are about 3-4 different types of diesel out there..
- Bio B20 Diesel [up to 20% bio]
- Bio B5 Diesel [Up to 5% Bio]
- Clean TecD [A cleaner Diesel they say]
- Vortex Premium Diesel
- Extra Low Sulphur Diesel (XLSD) Regular Diesel -- the Regular stuff..
If there are no indications that the diesel is different, I bet it all comes from the same tank's.. - The Truck do use a high flow pump's to help them fill those large tank's Quickly.
- The cars use a normal slow flow rate as most car's have a smaller tank, that would be filled with foam in no time..
That's Good to know that there is a difference in price. As I have just gotten a diesel car myself..
Juergen
-- Edited by SnowT on Thursday 26th of December 2013 12:40:43 PM
Woolly said
12:45 PM Dec 26, 2013
The only problem is the fast flow pump, I can use it on the Fiat van but we also have an Astra diesel & the pump won't fit into the refiller.
Woolly
woolman said
12:45 PM Dec 26, 2013
There are 2 differences with the truck diesel. They have fast flow pumps and often cheaper. Quite often come out of the same tank.
Neil
native pepper said
12:51 PM Dec 26, 2013
There are two types of diesel fuel, #1 and #2. #2 is what you get most of the time and #1 is closer to kerosene for colder climates. The major difference between truck and car fuel pumps, is the delivery rate, trucks can take huge fuel delivery rates compared to cars, so have larger nozzles and hoses.
Bunkerbob said
01:36 PM Dec 26, 2013
I use a Truck Filling station which is not open to the public where they sell both Truck, fast flow, and "Vortex" fuel. Vortex is 2 cents a litre dearer than the truck diesel. I think only Caltex have a special fuel designed for european diesels. It is supposed to be cleaner and have less sulphur. My own tug is a 1990 GQ Patrol and runs on what goes in it. Bio diesel, no problems, truck diesel, no worries, Vortex, no way (I am a cheap skate when possible.)
SnowT said
02:38 PM Dec 26, 2013
I think that all diesel sold in Australia complies with the EU standards.. or EVERYone with EU based/designed car's would be in trouble..
I think the Old Dirty diesel of old is gone international standard's.. So out fuel is now Low sulpher..
Juergen
mr glassies said
02:59 PM Dec 26, 2013
when its petrol
dibs
Baz421 said
03:21 PM Dec 26, 2013
I think you will find that the "premium diesel" is a "narrow cut" diesel,, ie it is distilled from a narrow temperature band at the refinery,,,, whereas "wide cut" diesel - the cheaper version that is referred to here a truck diesel is distilled from a wide temperature range ie 338-538 deg C, which, amongs other things, gives it better cold weather properties.
The "premium" diesel has additives for very cold climates and has a more defined calorific value for consistent performance anywhere.
The same applies to Jet fuel used in jet engines. The RAAF jets years ago burnt their fuel fairly cleanly but the USAF (American) jets trailed black smoke. The RAAF used narrow cut fuel,, ie Jet A equivalent and the USAF used Jet B which is wide cut. This allowed the USAF to source a wider range of fuel around the world and their engines were "tuned" for this.
We have a 2005 LC79 Landcruiser 4.2 turbo diesel ute and use both,,, and I can't tell the difference, so buy by price.
Happywanderer said
03:38 PM Dec 26, 2013
I filled up in Rochester, Victoria a week ago. They only had a fast flow tank.
I searched everywhere for the slow flow, gave up and used the fast flow.
When I went into pay, I said so to lady at counter. She said We only have a fast flow.
Never come across that before.
Woolly said
04:21 PM Dec 26, 2013
Thanks for the answers, I think I will be rolling up to the fast flow from now on, 8 cents is enough incentive for me.
Woolly
oldbobsbus said
06:58 PM Dec 26, 2013
Woolly wrote:
Thanks for the answers, I think I will be rolling up to the fast flow from now on, 8 cents is enough incentive for me. Woolly
Me too Woolly ...
SnowT said
09:59 PM Dec 26, 2013
Hi All..
If you don't know, just a word of warning..
If you run Bio Diesel thru your system, get ready to cleaning out the filter's.. and even clear out the injector's..
bio Diesel has a habit of cleaning out the sludge that builds up in the fuel system over time..
So if your motor is designed to run Bio, then be very careful with the first few run's if you have not run it before..
Juergen
Zoomtopz said
07:38 AM Dec 27, 2013
I have said this b 4 . Modern diesel engines are pretty good .
Why risk Thousands of $ trying to save a couple of cents .
Dirty diesel does not get it's name for nothing . Low sulphur .
Remember when they lowered the sulphur in Qld diesel , heaps of older
vehicles - especially Japanese utes , crew cabs & 4X4s had to have New pumps put in them.
my car runs at 2000revs @ 100kph - modern , even a lot of older trucks ,
run @1650 revs per 100kph .
a bit like Bedfords using standard petrol & Dodges using super.
Different strokes for different blokes
Happywanderer said
08:52 AM Dec 27, 2013
This is getting very confusing now.
I go to the pump, I fill up with diesel. I don't go looking for different sorts of diesel, just buy the one they are selling.
Where do all the others come into play, bio etc?
Zoomtopz said
05:46 PM Dec 27, 2013
HW , I don't know the full story on it . Some Euro motors don't like our diesel ,
apparently still too much sulphur , I think that's why , at Caltex you will see Vortex &
Truck Diesel & the price difference , as I said . I am not going to risk performance & redo
filters etc for th sake of a couple of cents . Mate , Kurt Johansen used to run his Studebaker
on two Mulga trees a day , what I'm saying , we might be able to run our vehicle on th smell
of an oily rag , but what are the consequences . Please don't use used cooking oil .
Unless you have an old grey motor.
deverall11 said
05:59 PM Dec 27, 2013
Just as a suggestion, in order to meet current emission laws, oil companies have removed most of the sulfur from the diesel. Sulfur is used as a lubricant for the fuel pump and injectors. Whilst the oil companies are quick to reasssure users that they have dealt with this by introducing an additive package to circumvent this, I introduce my own additive when filling up. This can be Flaslube, Chemtec or mineral based two stroke oil at the rate of 100:1 down to 300:1. The engine does run quieter and you get a small decrease in fuel consumtion.
This idea originated from old truckies that use to practice this, albeit using engine oil.
As with all things technical, I stand corrected.
Larry
native pepper said
07:03 PM Dec 27, 2013
deverall11 wrote:
Just as a suggestion, in order to meet current emission laws, oil companies have removed most of the sulfur from the diesel. Sulfur is used as a lubricant for the fuel pump and injectors. Whilst the oil companies are quick to reasssure users that they have dealt with this by introducing an additive package to circumvent this, I introduce my own additive when filling up. This can be Flaslube, Chemtec or mineral based two stroke oil at the rate of 100:1 down to 300:1. The engine does run quieter and you get a small decrease in fuel consumtion. This idea originated from old truckies that use to practice this, albeit using engine oil. As with all things technical, I stand corrected. Larry
The best and cheapest way to overcome the lack of lubricant in diesel, is to use a small amount of ATF or 2 stroke in your fuel to keep the injectors clean and pump lubricated. Lack of lubricity in fuel systems is more of a problem than most people realise. The bloke I used to drive road trains for always puts 2 stroke in the tanks since they introduced ultra low sulphur and drivers carry 5 lt of it if they have to fill up somewhere.
Zoomtopz said
08:33 PM Dec 27, 2013
maybe th reason why when using lpg , use upper cylinder lubricant .
Yes I use th odd additive to my tank as a lubricant for th injectors.
rosco532 said
09:25 AM Dec 28, 2013
I think you may find that if you use a truck bowser then it won't fit in your tank.
Secondly, price wise...Trucks will take 100's of $$$$ to fill their tanks hence the fast flow & bulk reduced prices
Cheers
DarylC said
01:04 PM Dec 28, 2013
I will use either bowser. Normally my first choice will be the slow flow because I figure the fast flow is for the trucks & don't expect them to wait while I fill when I could be using the bowser for smaller vehicles.. Some places actually have a sign saying fast flow pumps reserved for trucks. I reckon my troopie almost passes as a truck though.
I have never seen a difference in price except where there is "upmarket" diesel.
Cunamulla has a seperate area for trucks with the fast flow pumps, the smaller vehicle diesel pump has ONLY the upmarket diesel.
EllenajoeL said
09:30 PM Dec 28, 2013
I think this thread is very imformative and I hope it continues to be so....
what I know is I've put pretty well anything labelled diesel (and plenty of bio diesel) into my 1984 landcruiser over the years to no real disadvantage; in my opinion.
thing is....is there are much less likely to be choices at the diesel bowser once you get away from crowded places (why, I wonder?)....
(BTW, in NZ , diesel is still (much) cheaper than unleaded, as opposed to east-coast Aust...that is, just like it was here some years ago anyway...why, I wonder?)
-- Edited by EllenajoeL on Saturday 28th of December 2013 09:31:02 PM
rockylizard said
09:35 PM Dec 28, 2013
Gday...
Diesel is quite probably diesel .. but most (a lot of - some?) modern European and CRD Turbo diesels are not recommended to use Bio-diesel.
It very clearly stipulates in my owner's manual NOT to use bio of any concentration in my vehicle. Not too hard, coz it ain't available widespread.
Cheers - John
Mr B2 said
11:16 AM Dec 29, 2013
I dont use Bio anything in any of my vehicles, So Never had any problems with fuel,
I use the truck pumps, Getting 200 litres in a slow flow car pump takes for ever,
The high flow truck pumps, I am full in minutes, I carry 150 US gallons of diesel, I also buy it when its cheap, Thats 560 litres,
With a 1500 mile range, I can get the cheap diesel when its available,
Just wondering what the difference is between Truck diesel & the diesel from the car bowsers. I pulled up at the servo yesterday and there was a line up at the diesel bowser, so I snuck around to the fast flow pump out the back, there was an 8 cent difference in price ( I didn't know this at the time ). Just curious why the diesel at the truck bowsers is cheaper, is there any difference in the product.
Woolly
hiya Woolly.
IF there was a Difference between the 2 pump's, they would need to indicate the difference.. similar to the difference between the different Petrol Price's..
- If there is no Indication that the fuel is Different.. it not..
- there are about 3-4 different types of diesel out there..
- Bio B20 Diesel [up to 20% bio]
- Bio B5 Diesel [Up to 5% Bio]
- Clean TecD [A cleaner Diesel they say]
- Vortex Premium Diesel
- Extra Low Sulphur Diesel (XLSD) Regular Diesel -- the Regular stuff..
If there are no indications that the diesel is different, I bet it all comes from the same tank's..
- The Truck do use a high flow pump's to help them fill those large tank's Quickly.
- The cars use a normal slow flow rate as most car's have a smaller tank, that would be filled with foam in no time..
That's Good to know that there is a difference in price. As I have just gotten a diesel car myself..
Juergen
-- Edited by SnowT on Thursday 26th of December 2013 12:40:43 PM
Woolly
There are 2 differences with the truck diesel. They have fast flow pumps and often cheaper. Quite often come out of the same tank.
Neil
I think the Old Dirty diesel of old is gone international standard's.. So out fuel is now Low sulpher..
Juergen
dibs
I think you will find that the "premium diesel" is a "narrow cut" diesel,, ie it is distilled from a narrow temperature band at the refinery,,,, whereas "wide cut" diesel - the cheaper version that is referred to here a truck diesel is distilled from a wide temperature range ie 338-538 deg C, which, amongs other things, gives it better cold weather properties.
The "premium" diesel has additives for very cold climates and has a more defined calorific value for consistent performance anywhere.
The same applies to Jet fuel used in jet engines. The RAAF jets years ago burnt their fuel fairly cleanly but the USAF (American) jets trailed black smoke. The RAAF used narrow cut fuel,, ie Jet A equivalent and the USAF used Jet B which is wide cut. This allowed the USAF to source a wider range of fuel around the world and their engines were "tuned" for this.
We have a 2005 LC79 Landcruiser 4.2 turbo diesel ute and use both,,, and I can't tell the difference, so buy by price.
I searched everywhere for the slow flow, gave up and used the fast flow.
When I went into pay, I said so to lady at counter. She said We only have a fast flow.
Never come across that before.
Woolly
Me too Woolly ...
If you don't know, just a word of warning..
If you run Bio Diesel thru your system, get ready to cleaning out the filter's.. and even clear out the injector's..
bio Diesel has a habit of cleaning out the sludge that builds up in the fuel system over time..
So if your motor is designed to run Bio, then be very careful with the first few run's if you have not run it before..
Juergen
I have said this b 4 . Modern diesel engines are pretty good .
Why risk Thousands of $ trying to save a couple of cents .
Dirty diesel does not get it's name for nothing . Low sulphur .
Remember when they lowered the sulphur in Qld diesel , heaps of older
vehicles - especially Japanese utes , crew cabs & 4X4s had to have New pumps put in them.
my car runs at 2000revs @ 100kph - modern , even a lot of older trucks ,
run @1650 revs per 100kph .
a bit like Bedfords using standard petrol & Dodges using super.
Different strokes for different blokes
I go to the pump, I fill up with diesel. I don't go looking for different sorts of diesel, just buy the one they are selling.
Where do all the others come into play, bio etc?
HW , I don't know the full story on it . Some Euro motors don't like our diesel ,
apparently still too much sulphur , I think that's why , at Caltex you will see Vortex &
Truck Diesel & the price difference , as I said . I am not going to risk performance & redo
filters etc for th sake of a couple of cents . Mate , Kurt Johansen used to run his Studebaker
on two Mulga trees a day , what I'm saying , we might be able to run our vehicle on th smell
of an oily rag , but what are the consequences . Please don't use used cooking oil .
Unless you have an old grey motor.
This idea originated from old truckies that use to practice this, albeit using engine oil.
As with all things technical, I stand corrected.
Larry
The best and cheapest way to overcome the lack of lubricant in diesel, is to use a small amount of ATF or 2 stroke in your fuel to keep the injectors clean and pump lubricated. Lack of lubricity in fuel systems is more of a problem than most people realise. The bloke I used to drive road trains for always puts 2 stroke in the tanks since they introduced ultra low sulphur and drivers carry 5 lt of it if they have to fill up somewhere.
maybe th reason why when using lpg , use upper cylinder lubricant .
Yes I use th odd additive to my tank as a lubricant for th injectors.
I think you may find that if you use a truck bowser then it won't fit in your tank.
Secondly, price wise...Trucks will take 100's of $$$$ to fill their tanks hence the fast flow & bulk reduced prices
Cheers
I have never seen a difference in price except where there is "upmarket" diesel.
Cunamulla has a seperate area for trucks with the fast flow pumps, the smaller vehicle diesel pump has ONLY the upmarket diesel.
I think this thread is very imformative and I hope it continues to be so....
what I know is I've put pretty well anything labelled diesel (and plenty of bio diesel) into my 1984 landcruiser over the years to no real disadvantage; in my opinion.
thing is....is there are much less likely to be choices at the diesel bowser once you get away from crowded places (why, I wonder?)....
(BTW, in NZ , diesel is still (much) cheaper than unleaded, as opposed to east-coast Aust...that is, just like it was here some years ago anyway...why, I wonder?)
-- Edited by EllenajoeL on Saturday 28th of December 2013 09:31:02 PM
Gday...
Diesel is quite probably diesel .. but most (a lot of - some?) modern European and CRD Turbo diesels are not recommended to use Bio-diesel.
It very clearly stipulates in my owner's manual NOT to use bio of any concentration in my vehicle. Not too hard, coz it ain't available widespread.
Cheers - John
I use the truck pumps, Getting 200 litres in a slow flow car pump takes for ever,
The high flow truck pumps, I am full in minutes, I carry 150 US gallons of diesel, I also buy it when its cheap, Thats 560 litres,
With a 1500 mile range, I can get the cheap diesel when its available,