I wonder if there are C/P owners or managers who read this grey Nomad site And if so...Do you have a comment about Solo campers and/or couples in regard to price structure
This should be very Interesting
Landfall said
07:39 PM Apr 26, 2013
I/we haven't been to caravan park yet where the owner has forced us to come in.
We choose where to stop and what to pay.
What's there to discuss
It's a free market, owners of caravan parks are supplying a service for a price, just like any other business.
Ken
-- Edited by Landfall on Friday 26th of April 2013 07:44:47 PM
jimbo said
09:39 PM Apr 26, 2013
Doesn't look good Jimbo says to himself.
Landfall said
10:54 PM Apr 26, 2013
Like me, maybe they are confused on what you are on about?
Hopefully, you don't expect a special price.
Ken
neilnruth said
12:36 AM Apr 27, 2013
I think jimbo is wondering if there should be a difference and if not, why not? Let's hope there are some who will reply.
EllenajoeL said
02:55 AM Apr 27, 2013
@Jimbo.....mate, I dont want to hog your thread here...... though I am a possible/likely CP owner in the near future; post sale of our farm and some well-earned downtime/travels....
and I am wondering what it is you wish to clarify with your post too .
Jack Mac said
03:03 AM Apr 27, 2013
I suppose they justify their prices on a site basis. Whilst it would be nice to get a singles rate, one is paying for the site and electricity (plus facilities). Apart from shower, toilet etc. a single uses up just as much space and for the most part electricity as a couple. I reralise they will charge extra for extra people but I'm sure that they will justify that by extra cleaning for more people etc.
If one were to rent a one bedroom unit they, I'm sure wouldn't get it for discount just because there was only one person and not two.
As with the way of the world today, business doesn't necessarilly charge what is fair, but what they can get.
If we choose, either by circumstance or design, to travel solo we just have to wear it or not. It's our choice.
rockylizard said
03:17 PM Apr 27, 2013
Landfall wrote:
I/we haven't been to caravan park yet where the owner has forced us to come in.
We choose where to stop and what to pay.
What's there to discuss
It's a free market, owners of caravan parks are supplying a service for a price, just like any other business.
Ken
Gday...
I agree Ken ... and as in another post on here, a single takes up the same space as a couple, uses about the same amount of power and water - perhaps only one shower rather than two and one loo flush instead of two - but a "tariff is struck" across the industry and it has been determined on "$XX for two people" ... that's how it is.
I must admit that I am very pleased when they advise me that as a single I will get it a bit cheaper, (it doesn't happen often mind you, but it does happen) but I expect to pay "the tariff" - which is usually for 'two people'.
It is a bit like the 'stay two nights get the third free' .... or like where I am now - $29/night but $145 for the week ($20.70/night).
Ya vote with ya feet (or ya tyres for us travellers ) ... if ya don't like the price, move on
Cheers - John
Clare46 said
04:58 PM Apr 27, 2013
It's not only caravan parks. I'm a single and if I stay in a hotel /motel I expect to pay double the twinshare rate. I'm going on a cruise on Sunday and for single occupency of a cabin I have to pay twin share rate plus 60% but I accept that if I want to use these type of accomodations I will have to pay.
I agree it's a nice bonus to get a reduced rate for a single in a caravan park which I have at times but it is not the norm.
jimbo said
05:34 PM Apr 27, 2013
I would have thought it a simple Question...What do think of the difference in Solo's compered to couple's in regard to fees
Grams said
06:30 PM Apr 27, 2013
Hi Jimbo,
I get exactly what you are on about. I think that if you go to a CP and the fees are $20 a night, it should be $15 or less for a solo traveller. A solo wouldn't use as much electricity as a couple, so I can't see why they should be charged as a couple. I agree they take up the same room, but not anything else.
neilnruth said
09:34 PM Apr 27, 2013
I'm a little puzzled as to how a solo uses less electricity. A heater, the lights and the fridge would all use just as much power. The only difference I could see would be the shower in the toilet block - if it is electric hot water - because even there the lights are on whether there are one or two people using it. Hmmm.
Grams said
09:45 PM Apr 27, 2013
Well when my husband uses electricity he uses all the lights, I don't. When I would cook for one it would use less electricity than for two, unless you are cooking with gas. I can clearly see where one person as apposed to two people using electricity does make a difference. But then if you both use the same amount equally then there's no difference I guess....but I certainly would not use the same as two people....that's way too much.
Landfall said
10:06 PM Apr 27, 2013
So I gather, that since our caravan has a full ensuite, which we use, I should be entitled to a bigger discount (cut rate) because I CHOOSE to not use the facilities I have just paid for, although I entered the caravan park knowing that these facilities where there?
Oh and can I have a further discount, I won't be using the pool, the tennis court, the jumping castle, and as we are only overnighting, the laundry.
When I sold our business, people asked me why.
"Because I am sick and tired of dealing with the public"
Amen to that.
Ken
littledick said
10:22 PM Apr 27, 2013
Gee jimbo, it appears there are a lot of park owners/managers on here based on the replies.
Dick.
neilnruth said
11:00 PM Apr 27, 2013
I think we've all commented for that reason - there are no CP owners using this site. (Well at least jimbo's post hasn't flushed them out!)
GaryKelly said
01:01 AM Apr 28, 2013
I empathize with what Ken said about dealing with the public. You need a thick skin for that... a lot thicker than mine.
Landfall said
01:38 AM Apr 28, 2013
GaryKelly wrote:
I empathize with what Ken said about dealing with the public. You need a thick skin for that... a lot thicker than mine.
Thanks GK,
Mind you, we had more good ones than bad, thankfully.
Ken
NeilandRaine said
02:48 AM Apr 28, 2013
Ok I am a grey nomad, at the moment I am managing a caravan park for a friend. We managed it for 4 years before going on the road. A while ago I floated an idea that got heavily berated as self serving so I try not to get involved in the them and us thing. We have tourist cabins with a flat rate, this covers two people, it is the same for powered sites. There is an extra cost for extra adults. Ok here is the thing we used to give single travelers a better rate. Unfortunately a few stuff it up for all. You would be surprised at how many people pay for only one or two but when they leave the numbers have usually doubled. I know a lot on here think caravan park owners are just money grubbers, just remember they are business people who need to make a living. While I am at it, more and more caravans now have washing machines and the cost of God given water and electricity is rising quicker than petrol. The parks used to be able to recoup some costs with there pay laundries but now people expect the powered site fee to cover the extra water and power for the washing machine. I can hear people say "But we don't have a washing machine" I hark back to what I said before a few can stuff it up for all. At times I feel my skin is getting thinner as I get older.
pauline said
03:12 AM Apr 28, 2013
I really do agree with what you have said NeilandRaine, caravan parks advertise rates for a site, that is what we park our caravan on .............a site.
Loki said
03:29 AM Apr 28, 2013
As a solo in a small van, I hardly use any power, take up half the space of the average van and yet get charged as much as two people in a larger fully electric van (fridge, aircon, TV, etc.). However that is the way things are and I accept that - a caravan park is a significant investment and the owner is entitled to some return on the investment. What comes part & parcel with that is I am also set up for free camping (deep cycle batteries, solar, LED lights) so caravan park owners shouldn't be upset that I don't spend all of my time in caravan parks - I couldn't afford to travel if that were the case (I also add that most CP owners I've found reasonable). I'm happy with things as they are, I am able to afford to travel and am always happy that there are caravan parks I can pull into where I can use their facilities. This ongoing argument reminds me of the advice I was given when my children were young: "If they're all complaining the same amount, they are getting treated equally".
jimricho said
03:46 AM Apr 28, 2013
Like most goods and services it's the market that determines the prices. If a park is full or near full in peak season it is not overcharging.
I was in Broome last month and while there I did the rounds of the caravan parks to check them out for future reference. They were all very empty as it was out of the tourist season and they are like that for eight months of the year. They have to recoup all their costs for a full year's operation in the four months of the tourist season. This scene is replicated in most of the places that are subject to seasonal demand.
It seems there are some members of this forum who resent the fact that park owners have a right to expect a not unreasonable return on a significant investment in both time and money. If caravan parks were a "licence to print money" there would be a lot more of them being opened up to take advantage of this.
GaryKelly said
03:09 PM Apr 28, 2013
Interesting point raised by NeilandRaine about people paying for a single and then ending up with more people afterwards. I can imagine some people planning that little maneuver - booking in as a single and then having a friend or friends join them. As a kid at school, there was always a long queue at the tuck shop, so I waited until the prefect on duty was busy, and then walked in backwards hehe. He was too busy to realize whether I was coming or going. So the moral of the story is that there are probably scallywags like me out there waiting to take advantage of CP managers. BTW, I never told the priest about that in confession so it's purgatory for me I'm afraid.
rockylizard said
03:21 PM Apr 28, 2013
Gday...
... or sneaking ya mate/s (or girlfriend) into the drive-in under a blanket in the back.
We've all done at least some small thing to 'save a bob' - it's human nature I guess
Cheers - John
Landfall said
03:23 PM Apr 28, 2013
rockylizard wrote:
Gday...Ken
... or sneaking ya mate/s (or girlfriend) into the drive-in under a blanket in the back.
We've all done at least some small thing to 'save a bob' - it's human nature I guess
Cheers - John
Beat me to it about the drive-in's, John.
Ken
sandsmere said
03:49 PM Apr 28, 2013
And I thought the rug in the back of the car trick was my idea ???????
brickies said
04:21 PM Apr 28, 2013
Jim thanks for your post at lest someone other than me on this forum has an under standing of what it like to run a business , IF someone who has not done this grey nomad thing is reading this forum it would put them off taking to the road lately there is not much positive feed back about life on the road everybody out there are ripping us off and council not looking after us instead they are only looking after there rate payers . If I had the same trouble has a lot of people on this forum I would stay at home and mow the lawn
jimbo said
05:25 PM Apr 28, 2013
Brickies! It's all part of the information H/Way Mate...New comers to the site will wish to know everything that the Nomad can come upon....zAnyway I am glad I got some useful Info from Those of you who have dealings with my question
ibbo said
03:06 PM Apr 29, 2013
NeilandRaine wrote:
Ok I am a grey nomad, at the moment I am managing a caravan park for a friend. We managed it for 4 years before going on the road. A while ago I floated an idea that got heavily berated as self serving so I try not to get involved in the them and us thing. We have tourist cabins with a flat rate, this covers two people, it is the same for powered sites. There is an extra cost for extra adults. Ok here is the thing we used to give single travelers a better rate. Unfortunately a few stuff it up for all. You would be surprised at how many people pay for only one or two but when they leave the numbers have usually doubled. I know a lot on here think caravan park owners are just money grubbers, just remember they are business people who need to make a living. While I am at it, more and more caravans now have washing machines and the cost of God given water and electricity is rising quicker than petrol. The parks used to be able to recoup some costs with there pay laundries but now people expect the powered site fee to cover the extra water and power for the washing machine. I can hear people say "But we don't have a washing machine" I hark back to what I said before a few can stuff it up for all. At times I feel my skin is getting thinner as I get older.
At the same time as your skin is shrinking the caravans etc are getting larger,more like mobile home units.These vans etc all use a lot more power than the old fashioned normal ones did.Caravaning is not the fun sport it was ten years ago.
jimbo said
07:01 PM Apr 29, 2013
Geez! Shirls and I drove over 20 thousand Miles around the U S of A Their parks and area's are so much superior to our's They simply adjust to the trend of the day...We in Oz are so slow in picking things up due to the quick grab for cash.( I do blame the Utility companies for it all though.). And I would like to add for instance, the technology we have at our finger tips has been around the World three years ago
I wonder if there are C/P owners or managers who read this grey Nomad site And if so...Do you have a comment about Solo campers and/or couples in regard to price structure
This should be very Interesting
I/we haven't been to caravan park yet where the owner has forced us to come in.
We choose where to stop and what to pay.
What's there to discuss
It's a free market, owners of caravan parks are supplying a service for a price, just like any other business.
Ken
-- Edited by Landfall on Friday 26th of April 2013 07:44:47 PM
Like me, maybe they are confused on what you are on about?
Hopefully, you don't expect a special price.
Ken
@Jimbo.....mate, I dont want to hog your thread here...... though I am a possible/likely CP owner in the near future; post sale of our farm and some well-earned downtime/travels....
and I am wondering what it is you wish to clarify with your post too
.
I suppose they justify their prices on a site basis. Whilst it would be nice to get a singles rate, one is paying for the site and electricity (plus facilities). Apart from shower, toilet etc. a single uses up just as much space and for the most part electricity as a couple. I reralise they will charge extra for extra people but I'm sure that they will justify that by extra cleaning for more people etc.
If one were to rent a one bedroom unit they, I'm sure wouldn't get it for discount just because there was only one person and not two.
As with the way of the world today, business doesn't necessarilly charge what is fair, but what they can get.
If we choose, either by circumstance or design, to travel solo we just have to wear it or not. It's our choice.
Gday...
I agree Ken ... and as in another post on here, a single takes up the same space as a couple, uses about the same amount of power and water - perhaps only one shower rather than two and one loo flush instead of two - but a "tariff is struck" across the industry and it has been determined on "$XX for two people" ... that's how it is.
I must admit that I am very pleased when they advise me that as a single I will get it a bit cheaper, (it doesn't happen often mind you, but it does happen) but I expect to pay "the tariff" - which is usually for 'two people'.
It is a bit like the 'stay two nights get the third free' .... or like where I am now - $29/night but $145 for the week ($20.70/night).
Ya vote with ya feet (or ya tyres for us travellers
) ... if ya don't like the price, move on 
Cheers - John
It's not only caravan parks. I'm a single and if I stay in a hotel /motel I expect to pay double the twinshare rate. I'm going on a cruise on Sunday and for single occupency of a cabin I have to pay twin share rate plus 60% but I accept that if I want to use these type of accomodations I will have to pay.
I agree it's a nice bonus to get a reduced rate for a single in a caravan park which I have at times but it is not the norm.
I would have thought it a simple Question...What do think of the difference in Solo's compered to couple's in regard to fees
I get exactly what you are on about. I think that if you go to a CP and the fees are $20 a night, it should be $15 or less for a solo traveller. A solo wouldn't use as much electricity as a couple, so I can't see why they should be charged as a couple. I agree they take up the same room, but not anything else.
Oh and can I have a further discount, I won't be using the pool, the tennis court, the jumping castle, and as we are only overnighting, the laundry.
When I sold our business, people asked me why.
"Because I am sick and tired of dealing with the public"
Amen to that.
Ken
Gee jimbo, it appears there are a lot of park owners/managers on here based on the replies.
Dick.
Thanks GK,
Mind you, we had more good ones than bad, thankfully.
Ken
A while ago I floated an idea that got heavily berated as self serving so I try not to get involved in the them and us thing.
We have tourist cabins with a flat rate, this covers two people, it is the same for powered sites. There is an extra cost for extra adults.
Ok here is the thing we used to give single travelers a better rate. Unfortunately a few stuff it up for all. You would be surprised at how many people
pay for only one or two but when they leave the numbers have usually doubled.
I know a lot on here think caravan park owners are just money grubbers, just remember they are business people who need to make a living.
While I am at it, more and more caravans now have washing machines and the cost of God given water and electricity is rising quicker than petrol. The parks used to be able to recoup some costs
with there pay laundries but now people expect the powered site fee to cover the extra water and power for the washing machine.
I can hear people say "But we don't have a washing machine" I hark back to what I said before a few can stuff it up for all.
At times I feel my skin is getting thinner as I get older.
I was in Broome last month and while there I did the rounds of the caravan parks to check them out for future reference. They were all very empty as it was out of the tourist season and they are like that for eight months of the year. They have to recoup all their costs for a full year's operation in the four months of the tourist season. This scene is replicated in most of the places that are subject to seasonal demand.
It seems there are some members of this forum who resent the fact that park owners have a right to expect a not unreasonable return on a significant investment in both time and money. If caravan parks were a "licence to print money" there would be a lot more of them being opened up to take advantage of this.
Gday...
... or sneaking ya mate/s (or girlfriend) into the drive-in under a blanket in the back.
We've all done at least some small thing to 'save a bob' - it's human nature I guess
Cheers - John
Beat me to it about the drive-in's, John.
Ken
And I thought the rug in the back of the car trick was my idea ???????
At the same time as your skin is shrinking the caravans etc are getting larger,more like mobile home units.These vans etc all use a lot more power than the old fashioned normal ones did.Caravaning is not the fun sport it was ten years ago.
Geez! Shirls and I drove over 20 thousand Miles around the U S of A Their parks and area's are so much superior to our's They simply adjust to the trend of the day...We in Oz are so slow in picking things up due to the quick grab for cash.( I do blame the Utility companies for it all though.). And I would like to add for instance, the technology we have at our finger tips has been around the World three years ago