pedestrians must remember the road is for cars and the footpath is for pedestrians if you venture onto the road you need to bear in mind that not all drivers respect the rules. Which is why we need more police patrols.
avagooday
frank
edit to fix my typing
-- Edited by KFT on Saturday 17th of November 2012 12:18:18 PM
Recoup said
07:31 PM Nov 17, 2012
We went this morning to get our paper ,so we thought we test the right of way for pedestrians , ( this is in NSW )well out of seven car drivers not one would let us cross the road. So don't take a risk and challenge the cars ,they are bigger then you.
Hans
Happywanderer said
07:53 PM Nov 17, 2012
Not being from NSW but do pass through there, can you explain what the new rules are regarding the right of way of pedestrians, thanks Hans.
Rip and Rosie said
08:19 PM Nov 17, 2012
The NSW Government has announced a series of changes to the road rules affecting the use of mobile phones while driving and relating to conduct at intersections, roundabouts and around pedestrians.
The changes come into effect on November 1, 2012, and apply to all road users across the state.
The new laws make it clear that a driver in a moving or stationary vehicle (unless parked) must not hold a phone in their hand other than to pass the phone to a passenger.
The penalty for breaking the law is three demerit points and a $298 fine, or four points and $397 in a school zone.
The rule states that while a vehicle is moving or stationary (but not parked) a driver may only use a mobile phone to make or receive a call or use the audio playing function if the phone is secured in a fixed mounting. If not in a mounting, use of the phone must not require the driver to touch or manipulate the phone in any way.
Learner and Provisional P1 drivers are not permitted to use any function of a phone (including hands-free) while driving.
Additionally, visual display units, including devices such as smartphones and GPS units, being used as a drivers aid function (e.g. navigation) may only be used if they are secured in a fixed mounting. The mounting must be commercially designed and built for the purpose, and positioned where it does not obscure the drivers view.
As with mobile phones, the penalty for inappropriate use of a visual display unit is three demerit points and a $298 fine, or four and $397 in a school zone.
A number of traffic-related offences have also been updated.
The penalty for failing to give way to a pedestrian crossing the road that you are turning into is also three demerit points and a $298 fine, and four and $397 in a school zone.
Concerning roundabouts, drivers entering roundabouts and intending to turn either left or right must give sufficient warning to other road users by signalling before entering the roundabout. Previously, drivers had to indicate only when entering the roundabout.
Additionally, when exiting a roundabout, drivers must always indicate a left turn just before exiting, whether turning left, right or even straight ahead, unless is it impractical to do so.
Failure to obey these rules attracts two demerit points and a $165 fine.
Drivers may also receive three demerit points and a $298 fine for performing a U-turn over a single continuous dividing line, a single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line, or two parallel continuous dividing lines. The penalty increases to four points and up to $1191 for drivers of heavy vehicles, while cyclists can also be given a $66 fine.
Recoup said
08:39 PM Nov 17, 2012
OK to make it simple: When turning into a road at an intersection ,a driver must give way to any pedestrian who may be crossing the particular
road the driver is entering.
My advise is ,don't challenge the cardriver ,you come of second best
Hans
Happywanderer said
09:38 PM Nov 17, 2012
Ok, so even if its not a pedestrian crossing you must give way to anyone walking across when you come around the corner?
Probably better than running them over anyway.
biggles said
10:14 PM Nov 17, 2012
Actually, I don't find the new rules to be a problem at all .. although being a defensive driver, I still felt clarity was necessary as one had to often use common-sense which didn't always allign itself very well with the previous Rules ..
my opinion only ..
Jon
Recoup said
10:47 PM Nov 17, 2012
Jon, the problem is or was this morning, that no driver took any notice of the new rules.
Happywanderer, yes
Hans
Kaid said
03:17 AM Nov 18, 2012
Methinks there will be a few nose to tail accidents with this new law regarding pedestrians. You may stop but the car following will go straight into the back of your car. Having just come back from Dubbo we saw qite a few near misses They don't give a hoot about roundabouts either. Were on a roundabout when a b double cut us off. Came straight through Didn't stop Had to slam on our brakes to avoid an accident
aussietraveller said
03:50 AM Nov 18, 2012
Followed a police car through three roundabouts today and he did not use indicators once guess this means they are exempt from this rule
dazren said
07:53 AM Nov 18, 2012
aussietraveller wrote
Followed a police car through three roundabouts today and he did not use indicators once guess this means they are exempt from this rule
Gidday aussie-t, at the roundabout was the cop, Turning Left, ? or turning Right, ? If so he should have indicated, However if he was proceeding straight ahead, and he did not change lanes, there is no need to Indicate as he is proceeding straight ahead [ thats my understanding ''in Vic'' ] ??
Rip and Rosie said
08:12 AM Nov 18, 2012
Now in NSW, drivers entering roundabouts and intending to turn either left or right must signal on entering the roundabout, and when exiting a roundabout, all drivers must indicate a left turn just before exiting. So now in NSW you have to give 2 signals, unless going straight ahead, in which case its just a left flick when exiting.
-- Edited by Rip and Rosie on Sunday 18th of November 2012 08:12:36 AM
justcruisin01 said
10:27 PM Nov 20, 2012
I always did indicate, even when going straight through, once you have passed the first exit then I indicate to exit the next exit.Just common sense as it doesn't matter which exit you use, 1, 2, 3, 4. You have to exit some where so indicate which one.
-- Edited by justcruisin01 on Tuesday 20th of November 2012 10:31:16 PM
Clare46 said
06:39 PM Nov 21, 2012
justcruisin01 wrote:
I always did indicate, even when going straight through, once you have passed the first exit then I indicate to exit the next exit.Just common sense as it doesn't matter which exit you use, 1, 2, 3, 4. You have to exit some where so indicate which one.
-- Edited by justcruisin01 on Tuesday 20th of November 2012 10:31:16 PM
It was my understanding that this has applied in NSW for a considerable time
neilnruth said
01:32 AM Nov 22, 2012
Yes Clare I think the rule about leaving the roundabout has always applied. I think they are just trying to emphasise the 'giving plenty of warning' of which way you are going and now they have highlighted it we may see more getting fined for not doing it. Only makes sense to me to do it. Especially frustrating when drivers cross lanes as they go through roundabouts.
03_troopy said
02:01 AM Nov 22, 2012
Yes, I think it has also.. and in VIC and QLD. The other thing that still applies is that some people still, will just never get it. Today I followed a person who decided to give a left blinker as they entered the roundabout, and kept it on till the exited the roundabout at the 3rd exit.
pedestrians must remember the road is for cars and the footpath is for pedestrians if you venture onto the road you need to bear in mind that not all drivers respect the rules. Which is why we need more police patrols.
avagooday
frank
edit to fix my typing
-- Edited by KFT on Saturday 17th of November 2012 12:18:18 PM
We went this morning to get our paper ,so we thought we test the right of way for pedestrians , ( this is in NSW )well out of seven car drivers not one would let us cross the road. So don't take a risk and challenge the cars ,they are bigger then you.
Hans
The changes come into effect on November 1, 2012, and apply to all road users across the state.
The new laws make it clear that a driver in a moving or stationary vehicle (unless parked) must not hold a phone in their hand other than to pass the phone to a passenger.
The penalty for breaking the law is three demerit points and a $298 fine, or four points and $397 in a school zone.
The rule states that while a vehicle is moving or stationary (but not parked) a driver may only use a mobile phone to make or receive a call or use the audio playing function if the phone is secured in a fixed mounting. If not in a mounting, use of the phone must not require the driver to touch or manipulate the phone in any way.
Learner and Provisional P1 drivers are not permitted to use any function of a phone (including hands-free) while driving.
Additionally, visual display units, including devices such as smartphones and GPS units, being used as a drivers aid function (e.g. navigation) may only be used if they are secured in a fixed mounting. The mounting must be commercially designed and built for the purpose, and positioned where it does not obscure the drivers view.
As with mobile phones, the penalty for inappropriate use of a visual display unit is three demerit points and a $298 fine, or four and $397 in a school zone.
A number of traffic-related offences have also been updated.
The penalty for failing to give way to a pedestrian crossing the road that you are turning into is also three demerit points and a $298 fine, and four and $397 in a school zone.
Concerning roundabouts, drivers entering roundabouts and intending to turn either left or right must give sufficient warning to other road users by signalling before entering the roundabout. Previously, drivers had to indicate only when entering the roundabout.
Additionally, when exiting a roundabout, drivers must always indicate a left turn just before exiting, whether turning left, right or even straight ahead, unless is it impractical to do so.
Failure to obey these rules attracts two demerit points and a $165 fine.
Drivers may also receive three demerit points and a $298 fine for performing a U-turn over a single continuous dividing line, a single continuous dividing line to the left of a broken line, or two parallel continuous dividing lines. The penalty increases to four points and up to $1191 for drivers of heavy vehicles, while cyclists can also be given a $66 fine.
Probably better than running them over anyway.
Actually, I don't find the new rules to be a problem at all .. although being a defensive driver, I still felt clarity was necessary as one had to often use common-sense which didn't always allign itself very well with the previous Rules ..
my opinion only ..
Jon
Jon, the problem is or was this morning, that no driver took any notice of the new rules.
Happywanderer, yes
Hans
You may stop but the car following will go straight into the back of your car.
Having just come back from Dubbo we saw qite a few near misses
They don't give a hoot about roundabouts either.
Were on a roundabout when a b double cut us off.
Came straight through Didn't stop
Had to slam on our brakes to avoid an accident
aussietraveller wrote
Followed a police car through three roundabouts today and he did not use indicators once guess this means they are exempt from this rule
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Gidday aussie-t, at the roundabout was the cop, Turning Left, ? or turning Right, ? If so he should have indicated, However if he was proceeding straight ahead, and he did not change lanes, there is no need to Indicate as he is proceeding straight ahead [ thats my understanding ''in Vic'' ] ??
Now in NSW, drivers entering roundabouts and intending to turn either left or right must signal on entering the roundabout, and when exiting a roundabout, all drivers must indicate a left turn just before exiting.
So now in NSW you have to give 2 signals, unless going straight ahead, in which case its just a left flick when exiting.
-- Edited by Rip and Rosie on Sunday 18th of November 2012 08:12:36 AM
I always did indicate, even when going straight through, once you have passed the first exit then I indicate to exit the next exit.Just common sense as it doesn't matter which exit you use, 1, 2, 3, 4. You have to exit some where so indicate which one.
-- Edited by justcruisin01 on Tuesday 20th of November 2012 10:31:16 PM
It was my understanding that this has applied in NSW for a considerable time