-- Edited by Clare46 on Wednesday 31st of October 2012 01:01:05 PM
woosy said
06:13 PM Oct 31, 2012
Well Well Well !!!!! Just printed the new laws more confused
than before What are they trying to-do.... is this going to help
or another money raising for the Barry's of this world can-not
understand the giving way to pedestrians when turning it seems
like a car would be in the firing range of other cars coming along
the road so is this in a crossing (Zebra) or at any time when pedestrains
are crossing I need some help with these new laws
Brenda and Alan said
07:43 PM Oct 31, 2012
Which state are these new laws for?
aussietraveller said
09:36 PM Oct 31, 2012
There are a range of new road rules for NSW which includes signalling at roundabouts both on entry and departure which will make for some interest at one near my place which is only about 4 meters across so complying with the law could be somewhere difficult.
Mobile mobile laws now state that you cannot even touch a mobile phone whilst in control of a vehicle and that means even picking it up let alone using it, I totally agree with this one but believe it did not go far enough what about CB radios you can still use them and change channel etc which has to be as dangerous as using a mobile phone.
Last Saturday on the way back from down the coast we saw a young driver applying make-up whilst driving and i suspect this may also be a little dangerous but I guess the young ones are still bullet proof.
Brenda and Alan said
12:14 AM Nov 1, 2012
Thanks Clare46 for the link. I had a look and can't see a problem with the laws. They seem to be what has been law in Vic. except for indicating when leaving a roundabout, although I may be wrong about that. (I always indicate my intention before entering the roundabout. ) Giving way to pedestrians crossing the road you are about to enter is not a problem, except when there are a lot of them and they drift across the road like Brown's cows.
only thing id like to see is the fine the same for all states
rather than all over the place with different fines ..
jimbo said
12:43 AM Nov 2, 2012
I think it was in the Sydney papers a Young NSW cop was useing the Mobile phone Headlined under
A law for them and a Law for Us........Did anybody see that one?
03_troopy said
02:06 AM Nov 2, 2012
I think it should be illegal to touch anything in the car other than the steering wheel while driving... They should ban twiddling with the radio knobs, winding the windows up and down and changing gear in manual vehicle unless you are stopped. Even using the pedals is risky, you're feet aren't anywhere near as smart as your hands, and you have to try doing that without even watching them. Seriously though, it is understandable that you shouldn't be using mobile devices while driving. It would mean you'd have to hold your cup of hot coffee between your legs and transfer you apple danish to your right hand before you could even pick up the phone. Imagine how risky that could be if you hit a bump.
Landfall said
03:18 PM Nov 2, 2012
The pedestrian rule has been in Tasmania for quite some time.
I have had many students over the years fail there driving test for not giving way to pedestrians.
It only refers to "Giving way to pedestrians when turning" as I tell my students, you are not giving way IF YOU GO IN FRONT OF THEM, once they pass where you can turn, you MUST go behind them to give way.
This can be frustrating when the road way is multi lane, you are turning left and the pedestrians from the other side a dawdling across.
As for signalling off roundabouts, a sure fire driving test failure. Once you get used to the idea it makes sense, EXCEPT on multi lane roundabouts if you are in the right hand lane? I tell my students NOT to indicate off these, because it confuses other drivers in the LH lane. The rule says "indicate off where practable.
Good to see NSW joining the National Road Rules.
KenM
03_troopy said
03:01 PM Nov 3, 2012
Landfall wrote:
The pedestrian rule has been in Tasmania for quite some time.
I have had many students over the years fail there driving test for not giving way to pedestrians.
It only refers to "Giving way to pedestrians when turning" as I tell my students, you are not giving way IF YOU GO IN FRONT OF THEM, once they pass where you can turn, you MUST go behind them to give way.
This can be frustrating when the road way is multi lane, you are turning left and the pedestrians from the other side a dawdling across.
As for signalling off roundabouts, a sure fire driving test failure. Once you get used to the idea it makes sense, EXCEPT on multi lane roundabouts if you are in the right hand lane? I tell my students NOT to indicate off these, because it confuses other drivers in the LH lane. The rule says "indicate off where practable.
Good to see NSW joining the National Road Rules.
KenM
I'm not sure I follow your bit about the multilane roundabouts Ken. If you are in the right hand lane and want to exit the roundabout, you would need to signal a lane change to the the left lane before you could use the exit, where you would also signal left to exit.
_wombat_ said
05:06 PM Nov 3, 2012
here in WA, I always thought that at a roundabout if you are turning left or right you indicate, if you are going straight ahead then you do not indicate going into the roundabout or exiting it, I may be wrong here so can anybody tell me the current correct way in WA please.
If I get picked up by the cops I just tell them I a wombat that is a real problem here in WA not enough cops to do the job.
milo said
09:32 PM Nov 3, 2012
im now being told that this roundabout law is for all round abouts, not big or small ,the whole lot as i exit a round about i indicate on my way out... ??
Landfall said
02:41 PM Nov 5, 2012
03_troopy wrote:
Landfall wrote:
The pedestrian rule has been in Tasmania for quite some time.
I have had many students over the years fail there driving test for not giving way to pedestrians.
It only refers to "Giving way to pedestrians when turning" as I tell my students, you are not giving way IF YOU GO IN FRONT OF THEM, once they pass where you can turn, you MUST go behind them to give way.
This can be frustrating when the road way is multi lane, you are turning left and the pedestrians from the other side a dawdling across.
As for signalling off roundabouts, a sure fire driving test failure. Once you get used to the idea it makes sense, EXCEPT on multi lane roundabouts if you are in the right hand lane? I tell my students NOT to indicate off these, because it confuses other drivers in the LH lane. The rule says "indicate off where practable.
Good to see NSW joining the National Road Rules.
KenM
I'm not sure I follow your bit about the multilane roundabouts Ken. If you are in the right hand lane and want to exit the roundabout, you would need to signal a lane change to the the left lane before you could use the exit, where you would also signal left to exit.
Hi,
I am refering to multi lane roundabouts where both lanes go straight ahead. If you are in the right hand lane then you do not do a lane change to continue straight in your lane...This is one area that can lead to confusion, although the law is the law??
What I should add though is that if there is no other vehicle on your left (left lane) then it would be prudent to signal.
Ken
03_troopy said
07:38 PM Nov 5, 2012
Yes, previously it wasn't required. But now it is, as per the website Roadrules Roundabouts
Going straight ahead
1 Slow down and prepare to give way as you approach the roundabout. 2 On approach you can be in either lane, unless otherwise marked on road. 3 When going straight ahead you do not need to indicate on approach. 4 You must give way to traffic already on the roundabout if there is any risk of collision. 5 Enter the roundabout when there is a safe gap in the traffic. 6 You must indicate a left turn just before you exit unless it is not practical to do so.
Edit: Actually if you looks at the 2008 rules it states:
117Giving a change of direction signal when changing marked lanes or lines of traffic in a roundabout
(1) A driver driving in a roundabout must give a left change of direction signal before the driver changes marked lanes to the left, or enters a part of the roundabout where there is room for another line of traffic to the left, in the roundabout, unless the drivers vehicle is not fitted with direction indicator lights.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Note.Drivers vehicle and left change of direction signal are defined in the Dictionary.
(2) A driver driving in a roundabout must give a right change of direction signal before the driver changes marked lanes to the right, or enters a part of the roundabout where there is room for another line of traffic to the right, in the roundabout.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.
Note.Right change of direction signal is defined in the Dictionary.
So, if it's a two lane roundabout it would have lanes marked on it. Therefore you would be required to indicate left before you exit from the inside lane, because you would be crossing the outside lane, which may in turn be used by a vehicle that has entered rom the left entry and wishes to continue straight ahead (ie the road to you right).
-- Edited by 03_troopy on Monday 5th of November 2012 07:52:32 PM
NSW
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/usingroads/roadrules/index.html
-- Edited by Clare46 on Wednesday 31st of October 2012 01:01:05 PM
Well Well Well !!!!! Just printed the new laws more confused
than before What are they trying to-do.... is this going to help
or another money raising for the Barry's of this world can-not
understand the giving way to pedestrians when turning it seems
like a car would be in the firing range of other cars coming along
the road so is this in a crossing (Zebra) or at any time when pedestrains
are crossing I need some help with these new laws
Mobile mobile laws now state that you cannot even touch a mobile phone whilst in control of a vehicle and that means even picking it up let alone using it, I totally agree with this one but believe it did not go far enough what about CB radios you can still use them and change channel etc which has to be as dangerous as using a mobile phone.
Last Saturday on the way back from down the coast we saw a young driver applying make-up whilst driving and i suspect this may also be a little dangerous but I guess the young ones are still bullet proof.
here's the story on aca ,
http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8556523
only thing id like to see is the fine the same for all states
rather than all over the place with different fines ..
I think it was in the Sydney papers a Young NSW cop was useing the Mobile phone Headlined under
A law for them and a Law for Us........Did anybody see that one?
The pedestrian rule has been in Tasmania for quite some time.
I have had many students over the years fail there driving test for not giving way to pedestrians.
It only refers to "Giving way to pedestrians when turning" as I tell my students, you are not giving way IF YOU GO IN FRONT OF THEM, once they pass where you can turn, you MUST go behind them to give way.
This can be frustrating when the road way is multi lane, you are turning left and the pedestrians from the other side a dawdling across.
As for signalling off roundabouts, a sure fire driving test failure. Once you get used to the idea it makes sense, EXCEPT on multi lane roundabouts if you are in the right hand lane? I tell my students NOT to indicate off these, because it confuses other drivers in the LH lane. The rule says "indicate off where practable.
Good to see NSW joining the National Road Rules.
KenM
I'm not sure I follow your bit about the multilane roundabouts Ken. If you are in the right hand lane and want to exit the roundabout, you would need to signal a lane change to the the left lane before you could use the exit, where you would also signal left to exit.
here in WA, I always thought that at a roundabout if you are turning left or right you indicate, if you are going straight ahead then you do not indicate going into the roundabout or exiting it, I may be wrong here so can anybody tell me the current correct way in WA please.
If I get picked up by the cops I just tell them I a wombat
that is a real problem here in WA not enough cops to do the job.
as i exit a round about i indicate on my way out... ??
Hi,
I am refering to multi lane roundabouts where both lanes go straight ahead. If you are in the right hand lane then you do not do a lane change to continue straight in your lane...This is one area that can lead to confusion, although the law is the law??
What I should add though is that if there is no other vehicle on your left (left lane) then it would be prudent to signal.
Ken
Yes, previously it wasn't required. But now it is, as per the website Roadrules Roundabouts
Going straight ahead
1 Slow down and prepare to give way as you approach the roundabout.
2 On approach you can be in either lane, unless otherwise marked on road.
3 When going straight ahead you do not need to indicate on approach.
4 You must give way to traffic already on the roundabout if there is any risk of collision.
5 Enter the roundabout when there is a safe gap in the traffic.
6 You must indicate a left turn just before you exit unless it is not practical to do so.
Edit: Actually if you looks at the 2008 rules it states:
117 Giving a change of direction signal when changing marked lanes or lines of traffic in a roundabout
-- Edited by 03_troopy on Monday 5th of November 2012 07:52:32 PM