As you know, I have been having problems with the transit engine managment light coming on periodically. Taken it in I think about 10 times now and I am thououghly sick and tired of it. (Plus broke)
They have replaced
1. Rear Oil Seal. This necessitated breaking the mass fly wheel $2500
2. EGR Valve $600
3. Fuel lines Cleanout $350
4. Tensioner belt replaced. $160
5. The rest of the time they just reset the computer. about another $500
On my last trip, the mechanic used to work at a dealership where the KEA fleet was serviced. So, I was inclined to take a bit of notice of what he said. He also looked at the mapping, I forget what it was called but he cleaned something that was carboned up. He said not many dealers are aware of this.
He also mentioned that he thought the flywheel was a little off balance.
I am wondering if this could be the cause of my subsequent issues as it has only been happening since they did that job.
Another issue that turned up on my way home, is I seem to be getting a bit of a diff whine between 90 and a 100kms. Is this a big issue?
Can anyone help please? Thanks a lot.
Happywanderer said
12:52 AM Feb 3, 2012
Oh you poor girl Mel. I thought you had sorted it all out. So it wasn't under any warranty then?? Sorry I don't have any answers, I'm still tryinhg to get Myrtle working properly. Now its the gas connections to the bottle, have to get a new "ELBOW" tomorrow.
ChiChi1 said
04:17 AM Feb 3, 2012
Hi HW, KEA payed the $2500 but as they have been unable to find out what the problem is there can be no warranty. One thing Marj we'll both know our vehicles inside out before we're finished.
Seems like its one thing after another. You get something fixed and something else goes. The toilet is still broken, so is the handle on the grey water tap and the extractor fan has also gone. Hope it is only a fuse but as water was coming in I'm pretty sure it will have to be replaced. Thems the breaks. Don't worry be happy....
Happywanderer said
05:06 AM Feb 3, 2012
So right there Mel. My S in L was very surprised today, just how much knowledge I have accrued and also how many bits I have in the van for fixing things now. He thinks he has outfoxed me and I appear with the right tool "Is this what you are looking for" Yep, I'm getting there.
Dougwe said
06:38 PM Feb 3, 2012
I just hate it when things that have gone wrong can't be found CC1. It's like when you have a something wrong every time you start the car nut when you take it in it just won't happen for the mechanic.
ken thomas said
07:16 PM Feb 3, 2012
Happywanderer wrote:
Oh you poor girl Mel. I thought you had sorted it all out. So it wasn't under any warranty then?? Sorry I don't have any answers, I'm still tryinhg to get Myrtle working properly. Now its the gas connections to the bottle, have to get a new "ELBOW" tomorrow.
hello Marj
Is that the problem when you could smell gas at greens lake??
Ken
Happywanderer said
01:49 AM Feb 4, 2012
Yes Ken. That was the problem. Hadn't filled it since then but thought I better and got S in L to check it once full. He said the rubber in the elbow is badly worn. So he took it off for me so I could take it in to get another one.
dropbear68 said
04:52 AM Feb 15, 2012
Transits have a bad reputation and this stretches right back to the old ones, specially the diesel versions, not sure why Ford Australia didnt do more to rectify the issues with the Transits
ChiChi1 said
05:08 AM Feb 15, 2012
Nor do I DB. They had it for another 3 days and still only re-did things they had done before. At least they replaced the tensioner belt under warranty so it dod'nt cost me. Still have a feeling it might be the mass fly wheel, but it involves pulling out the gearbox to check and if it is will also be a big warranty bill for them because they replaced it very early in the peace and I have been having problems ever since.
_wombat_ said
04:23 PM Feb 15, 2012
You could try taking it to RAC to get it checked out, tell them you suspect the flywheel and could they make sure thry check that, you don't want a roadworty, be specific, it's an engine/transmission check you want done.
Then go back to your mechanic with the results
dorian said
05:18 PM Feb 15, 2012
I'm not a mechanic, but those five "problems" don't appear to be related. This makes me wonder how the mechanics were able to identify particular components as potential suspects.
The fact that the ECU's fault light comes on indicates that the ECU is responding to a particular fault condition. The corresponding fault code would be reported to the mechanic, either as a flashing code, or via a diagnostic interface. For example, 3 quick flashes followed by 2 flashes may indicate a problem with the EGR valve. Alternatively, the computer may send a "32" code via the diagnostic interface to an external test device. Of course these are hypothetical examples, but the same principle is used in other ECUs that I have worked on. BTW, the computer should remember the fault codes until the serviceman asks for them.
ChiChi1 said
06:14 PM Feb 15, 2012
Thanks Dorian. Wombat and Dropbear. They did put it on diagnostics.
Each time they fixed whatever the diagnostics said to fix and reset the computer. I have now taken it to six different Ford dealers, all having said "we did this or that and you shouldn't have any more problems". Dealers have been in QLD, NSW, Vic and ACT. To me, they are only fixing symptoms and not getting to the real problem.
But still, the engine management light comes on (after I am far enough away not to bother turning around to take it back). lol. So I think I have had several independent views. One of them did check that the light was working properly. I just don't know.
I want to get this fixed before I go away indefinately. I haven't had a trip yet without problems. It becomes a nightmare, when you are away with trying to get it fixed. You don't have a home if it is in the workshop and not many options with the dog.
blaze said
07:54 PM Feb 15, 2012
You will need to take it to only one workshop to sort this problem out as most of the work will be duplicated by each mechanic. cheers blaze
ChiChi1 said
09:14 PM Feb 15, 2012
Yes, Blaze, the local Ford dealer is the dealer I take it to when I am home. However, I can't continue to drive it when I am away so have to take it to dealers on the road. At least I have only taken it to Ford Dealers lol.
_wombat_ said
09:53 PM Feb 15, 2012
just a report on a Ford dealers.
My mate came to WA from Victoria, funny noise in his engine (a Ford) so he took it to the Ford dealer here in WA and they said sorry mate but you need a new engine.
I said to take it to my mechanic and get a second opinion, Tom said all you need is the correct oil, whoever did the last oil change put in the wrong oil (it was a Ford dealer that did the last oil change in Victoria) that was 3 years ago and the car is still running ok without the new engine.
ChiChi1 said
11:45 PM Feb 15, 2012
Yep these things go on all the time Wombat.
DeBe said
12:25 AM Feb 16, 2012
Reading the fault code from the ECU doesnt necesarily mean that the sensor is faulty. It may be some mechanical problem causing a sensor to log a fault code. You need to ask for the fault codes they found for future reference. Some Ford mechanics are hopeles at diagnostics & rely on what the computer says & have no idea of what can cause some fault codes. Purchase one of these of Ebay for around $25 delivered. Its an OBD 11 scaner very easy to use to get fault codes. Just plug into the conector, turn ignition on & press enter, & it will read the codes. When finished turn key off & remove plug (after writing down the codes ) On all vehicles produced after 2005 there should be an OBD11 conector like in the picture with in reach of the drivers seat under the dash. You can use it to erase codes aswell. Yes i used to work as a mechanic in a Ford dealership & the early Ford Transit diesels were a nightmare!!!
ChiChi1 said
12:39 AM Feb 16, 2012
Thanks DeBe. Thats great. Its not all that old 2008 model. Know exactly where to connect it. Watched them often enough now. I was told that you need to have a Ford Diagnostic tool as the others don't always pick up the codes.
The other problem I feel is the mechanics get the shudders and run when you mention the word Transit. I worked as Ford Spare Parts person about 30 yrs ago. Also my husband was a Ford Service & Parts Manager. He would have had it under control in no time. Those were the days.
dorian said
04:30 AM Feb 16, 2012
You may find the following useful.
OBD II Codes Database: http://www.obd-2-codes.com/
PeterS said
11:23 PM Feb 27, 2012
Scanners and interfaces are all very good, some better than others, but in many cases the code delivered only means the sensor/component is out of normal range, that gives you at least the system that is malfunctioning and them its up to the mechanic/elect to find what is causing the out of range. Not that easy, the later the model the better the diagnostics but still not conclusive in many cases. That is part of the reason I am retiring! All too dam hard these days
As you know, I have been having problems with the transit engine managment light coming on periodically. Taken it in I think about 10 times now and I am thououghly sick and tired of it. (Plus broke)
They have replaced
1. Rear Oil Seal. This necessitated breaking the mass fly wheel $2500
2. EGR Valve $600
3. Fuel lines Cleanout $350
4. Tensioner belt replaced. $160
5. The rest of the time they just reset the computer. about another $500
On my last trip, the mechanic used to work at a dealership where the KEA fleet was serviced. So, I was inclined to take a bit of notice of what he said. He also looked at the mapping, I forget what it was called but he cleaned something that was carboned up. He said not many dealers are aware of this.
He also mentioned that he thought the flywheel was a little off balance.
I am wondering if this could be the cause of my subsequent issues as it has only been happening since they did that job.
Another issue that turned up on my way home, is I seem to be getting a bit of a diff whine between 90 and a 100kms. Is this a big issue?
Can anyone help please? Thanks a lot.
So it wasn't under any warranty then??
Sorry I don't have any answers, I'm still tryinhg to get Myrtle working properly. Now its the gas connections to the bottle, have to get a new "ELBOW" tomorrow.
KEA payed the $2500 but as they have been unable to find out what the problem is there can be no warranty. One thing Marj we'll both know our vehicles inside out before we're finished.
Seems like its one thing after another. You get something fixed and something else goes. The toilet is still broken, so is the handle on the grey water tap and the extractor fan has also gone. Hope it is only a fuse but as water was coming in I'm pretty sure it will have to be replaced. Thems the breaks. Don't worry be happy....
hello Marj
Is that the problem when you could smell gas at greens lake??
Ken
At least they replaced the tensioner belt under warranty so it dod'nt cost me.
Still have a feeling it might be the mass fly wheel, but it involves pulling out the gearbox to check and if it is will also be a big warranty bill for them because they replaced it very early in the peace and I have been having problems ever since.
You could try taking it to RAC to get it checked out, tell them you suspect the flywheel and could they make sure thry check that, you don't want a roadworty, be specific, it's an engine/transmission check you want done.
Then go back to your mechanic with the results
The fact that the ECU's fault light comes on indicates that the ECU is responding to a particular fault condition. The corresponding fault code would be reported to the mechanic, either as a flashing code, or via a diagnostic interface. For example, 3 quick flashes followed by 2 flashes may indicate a problem with the EGR valve. Alternatively, the computer may send a "32" code via the diagnostic interface to an external test device. Of course these are hypothetical examples, but the same principle is used in other ECUs that I have worked on. BTW, the computer should remember the fault codes until the serviceman asks for them.
Each time they fixed whatever the diagnostics said to fix and reset the computer. I have now taken it to six different Ford dealers, all having said "we did this or that and you shouldn't have any more problems". Dealers have been in QLD, NSW, Vic and ACT. To me, they are only fixing symptoms and not getting to the real problem.
But still, the engine management light comes on (after I am far enough away not to bother turning around to take it back). lol. So I think I have had several independent views. One of them did check that the light was working properly. I just don't know.
I want to get this fixed before I go away indefinately. I haven't had a trip yet without problems. It becomes a nightmare, when you are away with trying to get it fixed. You don't have a home if it is in the workshop and not many options with the dog.
cheers
blaze
just a report on a Ford dealers.
My mate came to WA from Victoria, funny noise in his engine (a Ford) so he took it to the Ford dealer here in WA and they said sorry mate but you need a new engine.
I said to take it to my mechanic and get a second opinion, Tom said all you need is the correct oil, whoever did the last oil change put in the wrong oil (it was a Ford dealer that did the last oil change in Victoria) that was 3 years ago and the car is still running ok without the new engine.
The other problem I feel is the mechanics get the shudders and run when you mention the word Transit. I worked as Ford Spare Parts person about 30 yrs ago. Also my husband was a Ford Service & Parts Manager. He would have had it under control in no time. Those were the days.
OBD II Codes Database:
http://www.obd-2-codes.com/