Has anyone seen one of these Eberspacher or Webasto air heater units fitted to a camper trailer.
Externaly that is.
A couple in a camper trailer, overnight camped next to us in Stanley, Tasmania, earlier this year.
I noticed they had a neat Alluminium box fitted with a vent or flue pipe !. Also possibly air intakes at the bottom. Didnt take any pics or get too close as they were still in bed.
Meant to have a word with them when they got up. To find out what it was. Unfortunately returning from a walk after breckky, and they were just driving off down the road.
It looked like a swing out unit. About the size you could fit these heater units into.
Concensus from other curious campers close by, was it was maybe a heating unit ? ?
Been toying with the idea of a air heater, Gas or Diesel. and how to fit it into the Avan Cruiseliner. Be interesting to hear from anyone who has seen this or built one.
Regards
Mike and Ellie
-- Edited by elliemike on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 12:25:46 PM
Ron and Shirley said
02:51 PM Jul 26, 2011
Have seen a Diesel heater on a Campertrailer (tent on a trailer) where the actual unit was mounted on the top of the external mudguard. It had an aluminium cover over it to protect it from the elements, which is a little like what you are suggesting ie external mount, and it worked well.
The hoses to take air out of the living area and push heated air back, in this case, were threaded through a small gap in the canvas walls, which you dont have with your Avan.
The units are about the size of a shoebox though you need a little more room to accommodate the internal piping. http://www.caravansplus.com.au/pdf/dometic/airtronic.pdf%20 is an excellent manual (37 pages) for the Eberspacher units and gives the dimensions of the unit.
When ours was retrofitted to our van we had the under bed storage rearranged to accommodate the unit and actually only lost a small amount of storage space.
-- Edited by Ron and Shirley on Tuesday 26th of July 2011 02:53:16 PM
elliemike said
03:54 PM Jul 26, 2011
Thanks for that Ron and Shirley.
I have eyeballed the Diesel units. Price frightens me ! otherwise I would have one in already.
The perception of fitting one externaly has my curiosity at present.
Regards
Mike
Yuglamron said
06:48 PM Jul 26, 2011
Just an addition to the diesel heater thread.
There is now a cooker which works off the diesel tank as well.However the cost is very high as an add on.Same as the heater a good idea if it is built in to an new vehicle.
I used to drive a truck fitted with one and they are very efficient and fairly economical to run.
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:04 PM Jul 26, 2011
Collyn Rivers has/had a Webasto diesel hot water / space heater fitted to his camper trailer.
I expect that sometime in the future we will rip out our gas HWS and replace it with a combined diesel HWS / space heater. They can also be plumbed to heat the engine to assist with cold starts and the engine can heat the HWS too. Much cheaper to run than gas and we need a space heater in places like Tassi, so combining the 2 is a sensible solution. It would be fed directly from the OKAs main diesel tank.
Cheers, Peter
capt cream bun said
07:11 PM Jul 26, 2011
Here is an interesting little heater that runs on those disposable butane cyclinders. Others will be able to help you with the safety aspects of it.
Not certain I would like to run one of those inside the van. How do you vent it ?
Mike
PeterD said
12:53 AM Jul 27, 2011
capt cream bun - they are not approved for use in enclosed spaces like vans or campers, or even closed up tents.
milo said
01:33 AM Jul 27, 2011
so how do the deisel heaters work exactly? and how much deisel would it used from the main tank , or can you have a second tank installed?
Peter_n_Margaret said
06:00 AM Jul 27, 2011
Info on the air heater here... http://www.webasto.com.au/products-and-markets/recreational-vehicles/ena/html/8833.html They can run directly from the main diesel tank or from a seperate tank, whichever you prefer. Diesel usage at 2000W output is about 250ml per hour from memory (4 hours per litre). At 1000W it is about half of that, so they are very economical to run. They are vented to the outside so they are safe to use in a van, unlike the butane heater above.
Cheers, Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 06:00:31 AM
elliemike said
07:27 PM Jul 27, 2011
Milo
This type of heater can have either Gas or Diesel as the fuel.
They are a Heat Exchanger.
The cool air from inside the vehicle is circulated over the "Hot" outside wall of the combustion chamber. Then circulated back into the vehicle. Through air pipes and vents (just like your car heater) It does not have any Burnt Gas or Diesel fumes or Carbon Monoxide in it. It's just Warm Air. As no contact is made with the burnt fuel residues.
The fuel is burnt in the combustion chamber. Like a tiny jet engine or kero blowlamp.
Combustion air is sucked in from the outside of the vehicle to the combustion chamber. Mixed with the fuel and burnt then piped out side again.
All the exhaust fumes and gas is piped outside of the vehicle. Exhaust pipes may well include a little silencer/muffler.
Peter and Margarets post with the Webasto thread is well worth a look at.
We have a Truma LPG Heater as we already had LPG fitted to the van and don't tow with a diesel vehicle. They are also a bit quieter than the diesel heaters.
But in an A-liner or Cruiseliner.? Man you'll cook. We'll have man on toast. Not a toasted ham sandwich. LOl.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
Cupie said
05:58 PM Jul 28, 2011
Hi ..
Parked beside a lovely couple in Ballina who were taking delivery of a brand new Kimberly Kamper (around $90,000) which had a diesel space heater, hot water & cooker.
Tiny fuel tank up front ... the rep said that they were extremely fuel efficient.
Fantastic camper .. would want to be for the price & they were going to tow it with a new Land Cruiser Safari .. another hundred grand or so.
-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 28th of July 2011 05:58:43 PM
Ma said
07:58 PM Jul 28, 2011
Is the Truma one of those that are put in under the bed and come out an outlet into the van or is it a free standing type one OJ
Ron and Shirley said
10:10 PM Jul 29, 2011
Ma
The Truma Gas heater Ozjohn is referring to is just like the Diesel heater and is a fixed installation that must be done by a registered gas fitter.
Has anyone seen one of these Eberspacher or Webasto air heater units fitted to a camper trailer.
Externaly that is.
A couple in a camper trailer, overnight camped next to us in Stanley, Tasmania, earlier this year.
I noticed they had a neat Alluminium box fitted with a vent or flue pipe !. Also possibly air intakes at the bottom. Didnt take any pics or get too close as they were still in bed.
Meant to have a word with them when they got up. To find out what it was. Unfortunately returning from a walk after breckky, and they were just driving off down the road.
It looked like a swing out unit. About the size you could fit these heater units into.
Concensus from other curious campers close by, was it was maybe a heating unit ? ?
Been toying with the idea of a air heater, Gas or Diesel. and how to fit it into the Avan Cruiseliner. Be interesting to hear from anyone who has seen this or built one.
Regards
Mike and Ellie
-- Edited by elliemike on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 12:25:46 PM
Have seen a Diesel heater on a Campertrailer (tent on a trailer) where the actual unit was mounted on the top of the external mudguard. It had an aluminium cover over it to protect it from the elements, which is a little like what you are suggesting ie external mount, and it worked well.
The hoses to take air out of the living area and push heated air back, in this case, were threaded through a small gap in the canvas walls, which you dont have with your Avan.
The units are about the size of a shoebox though you need a little more room to accommodate the internal piping. http://www.caravansplus.com.au/pdf/dometic/airtronic.pdf%20 is an excellent manual (37 pages) for the Eberspacher units and gives the dimensions of the unit.
When ours was retrofitted to our van we had the under bed storage rearranged to accommodate the unit and actually only lost a small amount of storage space.
-- Edited by Ron and Shirley on Tuesday 26th of July 2011 02:53:16 PM
Thanks for that Ron and Shirley.
I have eyeballed the Diesel units. Price frightens me ! otherwise I would have one in already.
The perception of fitting one externaly has my curiosity at present.
Regards
Mike
Just an addition to the diesel heater thread.
There is now a cooker which works off the diesel tank as well.However the cost is very high as an add on.Same as the heater a good idea if it is built in to an new vehicle.
I used to drive a truck fitted with one and they are very efficient and fairly economical to run.
I expect that sometime in the future we will rip out our gas HWS and replace it with a combined diesel HWS / space heater.
They can also be plumbed to heat the engine to assist with cold starts and the engine can heat the HWS too.
Much cheaper to run than gas and we need a space heater in places like Tassi, so combining the 2 is a sensible solution. It would be fed directly from the OKAs main diesel tank.
Cheers,
Peter
Here is an interesting little heater that runs on those disposable butane cyclinders. Others will be able to help you with the safety aspects of it.
http://www.primusaustralia.com.au/index.php?p=line&sid=1306130608
They look just the ticket for when we are free camping CCB. Will definitely source one out down this way somewhere. Thanks
Not certain I would like to run one of those inside the van. How do you vent it ?
Mike
, or can you have a second tank installed?
Info on the air heater here... http://www.webasto.com.au/products-and-markets/recreational-vehicles/ena/html/8833.html
They can run directly from the main diesel tank or from a seperate tank, whichever you prefer.
Diesel usage at 2000W output is about 250ml per hour from memory (4 hours per litre). At 1000W it is about half of that, so they are very economical to run.
They are vented to the outside so they are safe to use in a van, unlike the butane heater above.
Cheers,
Peter
-- Edited by Peter_n_Margaret on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 06:00:31 AM
Milo
This type of heater can have either Gas or Diesel as the fuel.
They are a Heat Exchanger.
The cool air from inside the vehicle is circulated over the "Hot" outside wall of the combustion chamber. Then circulated back into the vehicle. Through air pipes and vents (just like your car heater) It does not have any Burnt Gas or Diesel fumes or Carbon Monoxide in it. It's just Warm Air. As no contact is made with the burnt fuel residues.
The fuel is burnt in the combustion chamber. Like a tiny jet engine or kero blowlamp.
Combustion air is sucked in from the outside of the vehicle to the combustion chamber. Mixed with the fuel and burnt then piped out side again.
All the exhaust fumes and gas is piped outside of the vehicle. Exhaust pipes may well include a little silencer/muffler.
Peter and Margarets post with the Webasto thread is well worth a look at.
Also this http://www.around-oz.com/diy_mh/diy_webasto_installation.htm
Regards
Mike
-- Edited by elliemike on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 07:28:07 PM
-- Edited by elliemike on Wednesday 27th of July 2011 07:42:14 PM
We have a Truma LPG Heater as we already had LPG fitted to the van and don't tow with a diesel vehicle. They are also a bit quieter than the diesel heaters.
But in an A-liner or Cruiseliner.?
Man you'll cook. We'll have man on toast. Not a toasted ham sandwich. LOl.
Cheers, Ozjohn.
Hi ..
Parked beside a lovely couple in Ballina who were taking delivery of a brand new Kimberly Kamper (around $90,000) which had a diesel space heater, hot water & cooker.
Tiny fuel tank up front ... the rep said that they were extremely fuel efficient.
Fantastic camper .. would want to be for the price & they were going to tow it with a new Land Cruiser Safari .. another hundred grand or so.
-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 28th of July 2011 05:58:43 PM
Is the Truma one of those that are put in under the bed and come out an outlet into the van or is it a free standing type one OJ
Ma
The Truma Gas heater Ozjohn is referring to is just like the Diesel heater and is a fixed installation that must be done by a registered gas fitter.
Thanks R & S. appreciated