I'm just a brand newbie and this is my first post. I'm wondering what folks do regarding carrying their gennys on the road. I have just bought a Yamaha 1000w generator and am wondering how feasable it might be to have a box made up to sit on the A frame. Could I also run the generator inside the box if I have sufficient ventilation to the box? Apart from convenience, I'm thinking this would minimise the noise intrusion to others. Also what would be the best material for the box? Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
ozjohn said
03:02 PM Mar 25, 2011
Scotty, A couple of questions come to mind. 1. The weight of the Genny and box will have to be incorporated into your 'Personal Weight" Allowance. Make sure the extra weight doen't take the all up loaded weight in excess of the vans ATM, or the Ball Weight in excess of the tow bar and vehicle manufacturers maximum permitted ball weight. 2. Is the A-frame capable of supporting the weight of the Genny and box taking into account the increased weight applied by inertia when travelling over bumps etc? 3. The venting maybe suffucient to allow exhuast to escape, but there may not be enough airflow to cool the (Aircooled) Genny in hot weather. Even in a box you may (or maynot) find the noise and vibration intrusive. Most vanners run a long lead from the van to the Genny and chain the genny to a tree. Just use it during the day to recahrge the battery and use the battery at night. Running a Genny at night or for long periods will not endear you to other traveller. Like your choice of brand. Cheers, ozjohn.
-- Edited by ozjohn on Friday 25th of March 2011 03:02:23 PM
Scotty said
05:29 PM Mar 25, 2011
G'day Ozjohn, Thanks for your reply. I have removed a pole carrier from the draw bar ( I had a rollout awning installed) and also relocated the spare from the front boot to a new rear bumper bar. So there should be some leeway to put around 20 - 25 Kg back on the draw bar. I am conscious of the heat and exhaust issue. I have looked at the following website www.webcon.com.au in Horsham who appear to specialise in generator boxes taking into account the ventilation and exhaust problems. The biggest problem is the cost when made out of checker plate. I mainly want to secure the genny from light fingered campers and not so worried about running the machine in the box (although that would really be convenient, don't you think?) cheers, Scotty
DeBe said
07:26 PM Mar 25, 2011
This is semipermanent mounted 2600Watt genny on my vans A frame as its a bit heavy to lug around for me. When traveling there is a cover ive made for it.
Scotty said
06:06 PM Mar 26, 2011
thanks DeBe, could you post photos of the cover? Scotty
DeBe said
06:22 PM Mar 26, 2011
Made the cover out of heavy trucking tarp material.
Scotty said
06:28 PM Mar 26, 2011
thanks DeBe for your quick reply. Scotty
dogbox said
10:33 PM Mar 26, 2011
you can get sound deadening material from marine shops like whitworths if the noise is a issue they use it to keep the noise down from inboard engines
milo said
08:10 PM Mar 29, 2011
we have a similar set up to DeBe's on the back of dads motor home, but its more of a permanent setup and can leavethe generator there during use.. and with a similar covering as well..
Scotty said
08:43 PM Mar 30, 2011
Thanks everyone for your responses. Doing a web search I found a fabricator in HORSHAM www.webbcon.com.au they represent themselves as specialising in generator boxes, and they appear to be cheaper than many others. Has any one had any experience with them or had a box made by them? I am quite interested in what they can do and the fact that it appears to be well engineered to allow the genny to run in the box. Any comments would be appreciated. Cheers Scotty.
milo said
12:50 AM Mar 31, 2011
our set up was custom built buy a local trailor company who built custom trailers etc and worked with us on what we wanted and did it to our design, i think they had the van for a couple of days..........
-- Edited by milo on Thursday 31st of March 2011 12:55:38 AM
ozjohn said
10:37 AM Mar 31, 2011
Probably OK (Depending on weight) on a Motorhome, but with a caravan where Ball Weight must be taken into considertion, a box on the rear may result in a dangerous weight ditribution situation.
Cheers, ozjohn
PeterD said
12:31 AM Apr 1, 2011
Milo
Does the addition of that box infringe the 60% rule? The overhang at the rear of a vehicle must not exceed 60% of its wheelbase.
ozjohn said
11:09 AM Apr 1, 2011
PeterD wrote:
Milo
Does the addition of that box infringe the 60% rule? The overhang at the rear of a vehicle must not exceed 60% of its wheelbase.
G'day Peter,
The 60/40 rule was revised sometime ago. The new regulation is: "The rear overhang must not exceed 3.7metres or 60% whichever is the lesser". I believe this amendment was brought about by the importation and approval on no compliant vans from Europe. Note: Measurements are taken from the centreline of the wheels or axle assembly.
Cheers, ozjohn.
-- Edited by ozjohn on Friday 1st of April 2011 11:10:16 AM
milo said
07:29 PM Apr 3, 2011
PeterD wrote:
Milo
Does the addition of that box infringe the 60% rule? The overhang at the rear of a vehicle must not exceed 60% of its wheelbase.
no idea, how do you find out?
blaze said
10:38 PM Apr 3, 2011
measure from the centre of the front wheels to the centre of the rear wheels and you are allowed no more than 60% of that past the centre of your rear wheels cheers blaze
Mick17 said
03:19 PM Apr 5, 2011
Hi Scotty, These are my to boxes on the back of our van mate. They really travel well and they carry my Genny and chain saw
cheers
Mick
Scotty said
07:18 PM Apr 17, 2011
G'day Mick17,
Thanks for your photos. Do you have any idea of teh weight of your additions to the rear bumper bar? And about how much did they cost to make and install? Thanks, Scotty
Mick17 said
10:59 PM Apr 17, 2011
Hi Scotty, Both boxes weight came in around 15kgs each, One box has a 2Kva Genie and the other has a Stihl 170m chain saw and 3 x shade cloths. "Now" the price was back in 2006 $575 each custom made to fit and i make the center piece under the spare wheel myself. Scotty these boxes also have a support middle strengthen bar that supports the 2 x outside support arms. "Note " Scotty these boxes have travelled over 80,000kms and have never move. "touch wood" Hope you can understand my thoughts in answering your QUESTION. Cheers Mick
PeterD said
03:25 PM Apr 20, 2011
milo wrote: no idea, how do you find out?
Milo - Have you done your measurements yet? Blaze gave good directions for you to measure the overhang.
G'day everyone,
I'm just a brand newbie and this is my first post. I'm wondering what folks do regarding carrying their gennys on the road. I have just bought a Yamaha 1000w generator and am wondering how feasable it might be to have a box made up to sit on the A frame. Could I also run the generator inside the box if I have sufficient ventilation to the box? Apart from convenience, I'm thinking this would minimise the noise intrusion to others. Also what would be the best material for the box? Any thoughts or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Scotty,
A couple of questions come to mind.
1. The weight of the Genny and box will have to be incorporated into your 'Personal Weight" Allowance. Make sure the extra weight doen't take the all up loaded weight in excess of the vans ATM, or the Ball Weight in excess of the tow bar and vehicle manufacturers maximum permitted ball weight.
2. Is the A-frame capable of supporting the weight of the Genny and box taking into account the increased weight applied by inertia when travelling over bumps etc?
3. The venting maybe suffucient to allow exhuast to escape, but there may not be enough airflow to cool the (Aircooled) Genny in hot weather.
Even in a box you may (or maynot) find the noise and vibration intrusive.
Most vanners run a long lead from the van to the Genny and chain the genny to a tree.
Just use it during the day to recahrge the battery and use the battery at night. Running a Genny at night or for long periods will not endear you to other traveller.
Like your choice of brand.
Cheers, ozjohn.
-- Edited by ozjohn on Friday 25th of March 2011 03:02:23 PM
G'day Ozjohn, Thanks for your reply. I have removed a pole carrier from the draw bar ( I had a rollout awning installed) and also relocated the spare from the front boot to a new rear bumper bar. So there should be some leeway to put around 20 - 25 Kg back on the draw bar. I am conscious of the heat and exhaust issue. I have looked at the following website www.webcon.com.au in Horsham who appear to specialise in generator boxes taking into account the ventilation and exhaust problems. The biggest problem is the cost when made out of checker plate. I mainly want to secure the genny from light fingered campers and not so worried about running the machine in the box (although that would really be convenient, don't you think?) cheers, Scotty
they use it to keep the noise down from inboard engines
and can leavethe generator there during use.. and with a similar covering as well..
our set up was custom built buy a local trailor company who built custom trailers etc and worked with us
on what we wanted and did it to our design, i think they had the van for a couple of days..........
-- Edited by milo on Thursday 31st of March 2011 12:55:38 AM
Probably OK (Depending on weight) on a Motorhome, but with a caravan where Ball Weight must be taken into considertion, a box on the rear may result in a dangerous weight ditribution situation.
Cheers, ozjohn
Milo
Does the addition of that box infringe the 60% rule? The overhang at the rear of a vehicle must not exceed 60% of its wheelbase.
G'day Peter,
The 60/40 rule was revised sometime ago.
The new regulation is:
"The rear overhang must not exceed 3.7metres or 60% whichever is the lesser".
I believe this amendment was brought about by the importation and approval on no compliant vans from Europe.
Note: Measurements are taken from the centreline of the wheels or axle assembly.
Cheers, ozjohn.
-- Edited by ozjohn on Friday 1st of April 2011 11:10:16 AM
no idea, how do you find out?
cheers
blaze
cheers
Mick
Thanks for your photos. Do you have any idea of teh weight of your additions to the rear bumper bar? And about how much did they cost to make and install? Thanks, Scotty
Both boxes weight came in around 15kgs each, One box has a 2Kva Genie and the other has a Stihl 170m chain saw and 3 x shade cloths.
"Now" the price was back in 2006 $575 each custom made to fit and i make the center piece under the spare wheel myself.
Scotty these boxes also have a support middle strengthen bar that supports the 2 x outside support arms.
"Note " Scotty these boxes have travelled over 80,000kms and have never move. "touch wood"
Hope you can understand my thoughts in answering your QUESTION.
Cheers
Mick
Milo - Have you done your measurements yet? Blaze gave good directions for you to measure the overhang.