Transporting and Storage of 4.5kg gas cylinders.. please help!!!
Galloping Gazza said
10:44 AM Sep 20, 2010
Hi everyone, Can anybody help me with correct info on the above subject or where I might be able to find it. thanks Please feel free to reply... your help is needed... -- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 10:53:31 AM
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 11:55:27 AM
Galloping Gazza said
12:34 PM Sep 20, 2010
I REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE DO'S AND DON'TS....PLEASE HELP.. someone
Happywanderer said
12:37 PM Sep 20, 2010
Maybe no one on here at this time of the day Galloping Gazza. A lot of our helpful friends come on here in the evening. Someone will definitley know the answers, if you want to check back later.
PeterD said
12:47 PM Sep 20, 2010
Gazza - do you mean transporting for filling purpose, carrying loose ones on the road or carrying them on your van?
ozjohn said
01:28 PM Sep 20, 2010
The storage, handling and use of LPG is covered by regulation in each state and territory of Australia. Many states call up standards or industry codes as part of their regulations, and different parts of an LPG installation may fall under different government departments, For example, an LPG cylinder and LPG appliance installation may fall under different government departments of the same state government.
The basics however are that the cylinders must be carried upright and be secured. The storage area must be ventilated. If stored in the boot or hatch of an RV the storage area as well as being ventilated must be sealed from the inside of the RV. Cylinders must not be stored in the same boot or hatch etc as a battery of other possible source of a spark. Boy! How many of us carry a small LPG cylinder in the front boot along with the house battery? Yep! I'm guillty. Cheers, ozjohn.
Beth54 said
01:33 PM Sep 20, 2010
I have a 2KG cylinder, and I store it 'lying down' in a storage box on the draw bar of my camper trailer.
Oops!
Galloping Gazza said
01:43 PM Sep 20, 2010
hey guys thanks so much.... yes I really want to know about carrying (transporting) loose 4.5kg bottles on the road.. this is my main concern... where is the best place to keep them, can you keep them in the back of a wagon or is there some legislation saying that you can't
and hey what about those vans that are sold with batteries and gas bottles in the front boot... are they really legal??? no ours is not like that
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 01:48:10 PM
brickies said
01:43 PM Sep 20, 2010
I have a fair idea of the answers you want but this far to important I feel to answer has John has pointed out different laws in different States has you live in Queensland I would contact queensland mine and energy they will be able to send you the information you required to be informed . Beth I can say you should never transport a lpg cylinder laying on it's side
Beth54 said
01:48 PM Sep 20, 2010
brickies wrote:
I have a fair idea of the answers you want but this far to important I feel to answer has John has pointed out different laws in different States has you live in Queensland I would contact queensland mine and energy they will be able to send you the information you required to be informed . Beth I can say you should never transport a lpg cylinder laying on it's side
Okay Brickies, thanks. I'll have to get someone to make a bracket for me then, as 'Gypsy' folds down too flat to go in there.
brickies said
01:50 PM Sep 20, 2010
Beth you are one smart Lady
Galloping Gazza said
01:51 PM Sep 20, 2010
yeah peter I am wanting to know the do's & don't of carrying them on the road...
Beth54 said
01:58 PM Sep 20, 2010
brickies wrote:
Beth you are one smart Lady
Why thank you kind sir...
Galloping Gazza said
03:58 PM Sep 20, 2010
thanks for all the help guys
Happywanderer said
04:22 PM Sep 20, 2010
Good question Galloping Gazza, and the answers coming back make me question just where is it stored if you have a campervan type, just the toyota hiace or similiar.
If it must be sealed from the inside of the RV in the case above as well as being well ventilated, where exactly is it stored in an open campervan. Or is there an outside cupboard especially for gas bottle.
brickies said
05:03 PM Sep 20, 2010
It's all depend on venting most camper van would have Gas vents if it has a Gas Certificate .
Cee said
06:27 PM Sep 20, 2010
What a great question Galloping Gazza, I'd like to expand on your question by asking (and this may sound like a silly question to most on here but if I don't ask, I won't know), when travelling around this beaut country of oz are the gas bottles refilled or is it like in the bigger cities where you do the swap and go thing?
Keep Smiling :)
Beth54 said
06:32 PM Sep 20, 2010
Cee wrote:
What a great question Galloping Gazza, I'd like to expand on your question by asking (and this may sound like a silly question to most on here but if I don't ask, I won't know), when travelling around this beaut country of oz are the gas bottles refilled or is it like in the bigger cities where you do the swap and go thing?
Keep Smiling :)
In my recent experience in outback Qld, swap & go seemed to be it. I was trying to refill my little 2kg, and I was out of luck!
Cee said
07:01 PM Sep 20, 2010
Thanks for that Beth, do you know if it's the same in NT?
BTW I love your set up, it looks so easy to tow.
Keep Smiling
Beth54 said
07:19 PM Sep 20, 2010
Thanks cee. Yes, very easy towing. Very light.
re: gas cylinders. I don't know about NT these days. It's many many years since I've been there.
Ma said
07:24 PM Sep 20, 2010
Beth54 wrote:
Cee wrote:
What a great question Galloping Gazza, I'd like to expand on your question by asking (and this may sound like a silly question to most on here but if I don't ask, I won't know), when travelling around this beaut country of oz are the gas bottles refilled or is it like in the bigger cities where you do the swap and go thing?
Keep Smiling :)
In my recent experience in outback Qld, swap & go seemed to be it. I was trying to refill my little 2kg, and I was out of luck!
We found that too when we were trying to refill ours but a local in one of the country towns told us that most hardware stores in the outback will refill.
Beth54 said
07:35 PM Sep 20, 2010
Thanks Ma. I'll remember that in future.
I was in a hardware shop in Longreach too, buying a new camp chair. Pity I didn't think of it then. My very old and battered chair was getting lower and lower to the ground, so I thought I should buy a new one before I was sitting on the ground!
Funny story..I'll keep it brief...
I met up with cousins in Longreach, who I hadn't seen for many years. Turned out the girl who served me in the hardware shop was my 2nd cousin and I had no idea!
Ma said
08:20 PM Sep 20, 2010
Small world when it comes down to it Beth. We refilled our bottle at the Mitre 10 (I think it was anyway) hardware in Chinchilla.
Galloping Gazza said
08:46 PM Sep 20, 2010
so does anyone else other than OZJOHN have anymore to help me with my question about carrying my 4.5kg gas bottles.... can I carry them in the patrol wagon or nothing....
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 08:48:02 PM
Galloping Gazza said
08:49 PM Sep 20, 2010
thank you Brickies i will check out the net for queensland mines etc. thanks again
PeterD said
12:37 AM Sep 21, 2010
Galloping Gazza wrote:yes I really want to know about carrying (transporting) loose 4.5kg bottles on the road.. this is my main concern... where is the best place to keep them, can you keep them in the back of a wagon or is there some legislation saying that you can't
As stated earlier, each state has different legislation but they are all based around the same standards. I think you will find a common thread of things like
You can only carry cylinders in your car to or from a filling station
The cylinder must be secured in an upright position.
For extended cartage the cylinders must be secured in ventilated enclosures that are sealed from areas people inhabit.
There is screw plug in the cylinder outlet when not in use
MMMM, We all know we dont always do what is in the paper..That being that , getting a 9kg filled can be a problem in some places.. W.A. Last year asked to have a 9kg filled, yep the guy wanted to just swap one over.$40. But I have a gauge on mine and wanted it filled. Ok that will be $45 as it will take 9kg. and a swap over is only 8.5kg.. So carring a spare is cost saveing. I carry one in a milk crate.. And tie it down... I do carry a gas dectector and her nose is spot on..
bruceg said
02:11 PM Jan 18, 2019
Just 1 extra piece of safety advice -
Because LPG is heavier than air it falls down and pools in any low points, so ... when transporting inside a vehicle put cylinders in buckets (or tubs) so that any leakage doesn't penetrate into sub floor cavities, etc. when moving carefully lift the bucket and cylinder out together and dump any leaked gas safely away.
bye
Craig1 said
02:23 PM Jan 18, 2019
G'day Bruce & Judy,
that is a great tip, lots of people use the milk crate thing to restrain, but it will not contain much gas. It's a blooody big bucket though? Maybe one of those soft side tubs for short trips?
Please feel free to reply... your help is needed...
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 10:53:31 AM
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 11:55:27 AM
The basics however are that the cylinders must be carried upright and be secured.
The storage area must be ventilated.
If stored in the boot or hatch of an RV the storage area as well as being ventilated must be sealed from the inside of the RV.
Cylinders must not be stored in the same boot or hatch etc as a battery of other possible source of a spark.
Boy! How many of us carry a small LPG cylinder in the front boot along with the house battery?
Yep! I'm guillty.
Cheers, ozjohn.
Oops!
and hey what about those vans that are sold with batteries and gas bottles in the front boot... are they really legal??? no ours is not like that
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 01:48:10 PM
yeah peter I am wanting to know the do's & don't of carrying them on the road...
Keep Smiling :)
Thanks for that Beth, do you know if it's the same in NT?
BTW I love your set up, it looks so easy to tow.
Keep Smiling
re: gas cylinders. I don't know about NT these days. It's many many years since I've been there.
I was in a hardware shop in Longreach too, buying a new camp chair. Pity I didn't think of it then.
Funny story..I'll keep it brief...
I met up with cousins in Longreach, who I hadn't seen for many years. Turned out the girl who served me in the hardware shop was my 2nd cousin and I had no idea!
-- Edited by Galloping Gazza on Monday 20th of September 2010 08:48:02 PM
- You can only carry cylinders in your car to or from a filling station
- The cylinder must be secured in an upright position.
- For extended cartage the cylinders must be secured in ventilated enclosures that are sealed from areas people inhabit.
- There is screw plug in the cylinder outlet when not in use
For the regulations in Qld, see this linkJust 1 extra piece of safety advice -
Because LPG is heavier than air it falls down and pools in any low points, so ... when transporting inside a vehicle put cylinders in buckets (or tubs) so that any leakage doesn't penetrate into sub floor cavities, etc. when moving carefully lift the bucket and cylinder out together and dump any leaked gas safely away.
bye
that is a great tip, lots of people use the milk crate thing to restrain, but it will not contain much gas. It's a blooody big bucket though? Maybe one of those soft side tubs for short trips?