Just seen report that a femail French tourist climbed Ayers Rock today and proceeded to do a strip tease on the top. Is it too much to hope that she may well be escorted on to a plane early tomorrow with a one-way ticket home? Cheers, Tony
goinsoon said
07:54 PM Jun 27, 2010
Rather than say - "Vive la France"
I say - P iss off Froggie
drongo & wendy said
09:02 AM Jun 28, 2010
G,DAY
Well wont that make the eyes of the Elders light up, they just might rub there hands together on the climbing the Australian owned rock.
I have never in my time of travel been able to climb the rock but wouldnt the view be something else and to think some French bimbo could help turn the tide even further.
I shudder
Hylda&Jon said
10:33 AM Jun 28, 2010
I think the naked truth of it is that the only people that really cared about this insignifficant incedent were the people up there that saw it ....& maybe there wives/gf's
Ma said
01:50 PM Jun 28, 2010
Why do people feel it's necessary to climb Ayres Rock...........and don't say "because they can". It has significance to the Aboriginal People as a sacred site AND of all their "sacred sites" this one is on the top of the list.
I wouldn't like tourists to climb any of our cathedrals so what is the difference?
goinsoon said
05:40 PM Jun 28, 2010
Ma wrote:
Why do people feel it's necessary to climb Ayres Rock...........and don't say "because they can". It has significance to the Aboriginal People as a sacred site AND of all their "sacred sites" this one is on the top of the list.
I wouldn't like tourists to climb any of our cathedrals so what is the difference?
Oh Dear Dw ooops! Ma we do agree on somethings
Andrea said
06:33 PM Jun 28, 2010
Ma, you're absolutely right. Just think of the outcry if any of the white man's sacred icons was not only clambered over and sometimes damaged in the process, but even - as happens too often on Uluru - piddled on.
We do not need to climb Uluru!
Andrea
Ole Grizzly said
09:18 PM Jul 1, 2010
Sorry folks, but I do disagree with your sentiments about Ayres Rock.
I worked that area during the late 60's-early 70's and you would not have seen any indigenous persons or hear any baloney of sacred sights. If you did at that time ask any full blood elder of such issues, he would shrug his shoulders.
Has only been since us "new aussies" started to have a thrill there that the mixed blood indigenous persons with modern education realised the benefits & monetary values after seeing how Curtin Springs or Kings Canyon made some money.
The "sacred sights" are very much a modern phenomenon. Sure, they did migrate thru this region and made use of the shelter and water soaks, but nothing sacred.
Land Rights... Change the name of that piece of rock. Charge a fee to go and have a look. Money grabbing extortionists.
Sorry everyone for my rant, but history is history, go to a library and read extracts from the arduous explorers' diary or journal and read some facts. Shoot me down with hard words etc; but some of us still know the facts of that region, and no amount of 'sit down' money will alter the truth.
Next time you pass thru that region, take the time and ask of some of the old residents like that of the old timers Peter & Dawn Severin.. Peter is the man who actually embedded that chain into the rock face which aided many a gallant tourist to enjoy a part of Australia. Supplied fuel, food and water for the intrepid traveller. Just ask about aboriginal history around the rock..they arrived in time to get handouts by the governments of the day, and today it still continues like a snowball ahead of an avalanche.
I have a strong bond with the aborigines of that location and still have respect with existing elders, male / female. A beautiful people who have been misguided by the educated grabbers.
Well, that's my piece...knock out the soapbox from under me, but I had to stop by and say my bit of knowledge. Thanks for taking the time to read it.
Ma said
09:14 AM Jul 2, 2010
I for one am glad you stopped by Grizz. It's always good to get more info on any topic that pops up on here and your input goes a long way to bringing us all up to speed on things that we probably would never have known.
It certainly does put a different light on things and as you say it's the "mixed" race people that have capitalised on the situation at Ayres Rock. Your information has put a different face on things for me that's for sure.
Thankyou
Terro said
07:22 PM Jul 2, 2010
The rock is Australian and as that is available to all to climb, walk round or whatever. Personally we decided not to climb last year on our visit there, we value our health and were not fit enough. After watching a lot of people "have a go" we felt vindicated. The walk through the Valley of the Winds and Kata Juta? the Olga's was brilliant and very interesting. Mind you if I knew before hand there would be a nubile nymphet stripping at the peak I may have changed my mind. Then again I wouldn't know what made me short of breath the climb or the "view".
Terry.
glassies said
07:24 PM Jul 8, 2010
oh ole grizzly i love your comment i have an indigenous daughter and i have travelled several times to ayers rock ,i for one couldnt give a stuff who climbs the rock and who doesnt i personaly believe it belongs to australia not people its there and thats that ,if you want to climb it go right ahead ive climbed a short part of it, had my daughter at time two years old sing happy birthday to me when i was 32 on the rock.
dont get me wrong there are so many wonderful things about the indigenous culture but i get so sick of hearing dont do this dont do that ,we used to go to weipa and camp at janie creek and you have to pay to camp there it goes to the mapoon people ,i once said well if my partner is indigenous then why pay?? but as they say there are different tribes and so its not on offer for indigenous people to not have to pay to camp at indigenous areas ?
so where is the racism in that ?from what ive been told there are all different tribes and thats how it works , but i was once told when i went to find out what aboriginality my daughter has in her (born in kempsey) and told very rudely when i said im here to find out how much percentage she is ,the person who was as white as a curtain said that i was refering to stolen generation days ? with the percentage bit ? and was told she is either aboriginal or not ?so i mentioned who her grandmother was and then had the man say oh ok shes aboriginal and was then given paper work to fill out,after i had gone to a meeting for 3 hours where i witness the most ridiculous crap ive ever seen before , i wont go on but yep im with you climb that rock baby if you must ?. :)
petersumpters said
05:21 PM Feb 10, 2015
goinsoon wrote:
Rather than say - "Vive la France"
I say - P iss off Froggie
Do you know? Vive la France ! is a patriotic exclamation that you might hear on Bastille Day and around the time of French elections. Vive la France is somewhat similar in intent to "God bless America" and "God save the Queen," though of course there is no religious reference in the French expression.
jules47 said
05:29 PM Feb 10, 2015
petersumpters wrote:
goinsoon wrote:
Rather than say - "Vive la France"
I say - P iss off Froggie
Do you know? Vive la France ! is a patriotic exclamation that you might hear on Bastille Day and around the time of French elections. Vive la France is somewhat similar in intent to "God bless America" and "God save the Queen," though of course there is no religious reference in the French expression.
Peter - you have added to a post that is about five years old!!!!!! Like your information though!!! But check your dates!!!
Happywanderer said
06:31 PM Feb 10, 2015
Have just finished telling family this happened today, when I read the dates.
Very old threads need to be closed after a certain length of time.
Is it too much to hope that she may well be escorted on to a plane early tomorrow with a one-way ticket home?
Cheers, Tony
I say - P iss off Froggie
I wouldn't like tourists to climb any of our cathedrals so what is the difference?
I worked that area during the late 60's-early 70's and you would not have seen any indigenous persons or hear any baloney of sacred sights.
If you did at that time ask any full blood elder of such issues, he would shrug his shoulders.
Has only been since us "new aussies" started to have a thrill there that the mixed blood indigenous persons with modern education realised the benefits & monetary values after seeing how Curtin Springs or Kings Canyon made some money.
The "sacred sights" are very much a modern phenomenon. Sure, they did migrate thru this region and made use of the shelter and water soaks, but nothing sacred.
Land Rights...
Change the name of that piece of rock.
Charge a fee to go and have a look.
Money grabbing extortionists.
Sorry everyone for my rant, but history is history, go to a library and read extracts from the arduous explorers' diary or journal and read some facts.
Shoot me down with hard words etc; but some of us still know the facts of that region, and no amount of 'sit down' money will alter the truth.
Next time you pass thru that region, take the time and ask of some of the old residents like that of the old timers Peter & Dawn Severin..
Peter is the man who actually embedded that chain into the rock face which aided many a gallant tourist to enjoy a part of Australia. Supplied fuel, food and water for the intrepid traveller. Just ask about aboriginal history around the rock..they arrived in time to get handouts by the governments of the day, and today it still continues like a snowball ahead of an avalanche.
I have a strong bond with the aborigines of that location and still have respect with existing elders, male / female. A beautiful people who have been misguided by the educated grabbers.
Well, that's my piece...knock out the soapbox from under me, but I had to stop by and say my bit of knowledge.
Thanks for taking the time to read it.
It certainly does put a different light on things and as you say it's the "mixed" race people that have capitalised on the situation at Ayres Rock. Your information has put a different face on things for me that's for sure.
Thankyou
Terry.
Do you know? Vive la France ! is a patriotic exclamation that you might hear on Bastille Day and around the time of French elections. Vive la France is somewhat similar in intent to "God bless America" and "God save the Queen," though of course there is no religious reference in the French expression.
Peter - you have added to a post that is about five years old!!!!!! Like your information though!!! But check your dates!!!
Very old threads need to be closed after a certain length of time.