Some posts elsewhere on this forum regarding our comments being quoted on facebook should remind us that this is a public forum accessible by anyone. With this in mind we need to consider the laws regarding defamation and vilification as to not do so could place our webmaster in a very awkward situation.
We also need to be mindful of the fact that the mass media have a history of taking comments and issues out of context in order to beat up a "good" story. The principle of "never let the facts spoil the story" often applies with them.
Anyone who has read some of my previous posts would be well aware that I'm pro free speech and anti political correctness but we do have to mindful of the legalities.
Disco Duck said
07:57 PM Jan 1, 2010
Or................we could all join face book and then invite each other in, as friends??
But you are right Jimricho!!
Basil Faulty said
07:58 PM Jan 1, 2010
This was the context of my post asking for the details of the alleged RTA corruption... I wonder how you are allowed to defame at will on Facebook?
brickies said
08:56 PM Jan 1, 2010
It has been my concern that some inflamed comments made from time to time could tar all of us with the one brush , I believe grey nomads come from all types and some comments could cause hurt to some of our fellow grey nomads and tarnish our cause .
jimricho said
08:58 PM Jan 1, 2010
My comments were intended to be general in nature and not directed towards anyone in particular. That is why I started a new topic. I'm not suggesting that we do not engage in some robust debate or express our views on any subjects, just to be mindful of the issues raised in opening this topic.
I'm inclined to think that Facebook's resources are somewhat more extensive than our webmaster's if it came to a defence against some action, even a specious one.
I'm not a legal type person, but it's my understanding, and I could stand to be corrected by anyone with a legal background on this, that many of these issues have yet to be tested in the courts.
Basil Faulty said
09:02 PM Jan 1, 2010
brickies wrote:
It has been my concern that some inflamed comments made from time to time could tar all of us with the one brush , I believe grey nomads come from all types and some comments could cause hurt to some of our fellow grey nomads and tarnish our cause .
Yes I'm sure it could happen but what would you suggest? Maybe we could have ingnored the remarks that caused this thread then the others of FB would have ignored us and all would have been as it was before. Agent's provocateur get their kicks out of getting a bite so if we don't bite they give up? Maybe some would but others have more front than Myers...
Disco Duck said
09:19 PM Jan 1, 2010
Some little girl is sitting back now and laughing!!
Basil Faulty said
09:30 PM Jan 1, 2010
jimricho wrote:
My comments were intended to be general in nature and not directed towards anyone in particular. That is why I started a new topic. I'm not suggesting that we do not engage in some robust debate or express our views on any subjects, just to be mindful of the issues raised in opening this topic.
I'm inclined to think that Facebook's resources are somewhat more extensive than our webmaster's if it came to a defence against some action, even a specious one.
I'm not a legal type person, but it's my understanding, and I could stand to be corrected by anyone with a legal background on this, that many of these issues have yet to be tested in the courts.
Jim I can assure you that many people have been prosecuted for making defamitory remarks on the net. It does to a degree involve the "seriousness" of the claim, whether jest was involved and whether the remark was in fact true, and as you point out the value to the media of the story; you cant be actioned for making a true remark and as I understand it it is the responsibility of the "victim" to prove the defamation... So I could call you a "crusty old bastard" and you would have to prove you were not. In the case of the RTA allegations that can get you in deep hot water if the RTA decide that they are game enough to litigate, that they are happy to have all their dirty laundry publically aired and that would be doubtfull as they may loose... In NSW the ACCC handle all claims of corruption leveled at Gov't Departments anyway.... I agree and any discussion (serious) that promote any form of illegal activity can get you in hot water BUT someone with plenty of resourses has to do it, these things cost a Kings Ransom as they are civil matters so unless you are describing a criminal act commited by yourself you would be reasonably safe from prosecution. As an example the discussion on the 10 amp 15 amp business before you could be prosecuted successfully you would have to be caught in flagrante delicto ie in the act of making and selling, it is not a punishable offence to kill yourself through your own stupididty. Cutting the ends off a lead by an electrical inspector would be an interesting case because unless a complaint is made he/she would not have the authority to enter your premises without a warrant (being held high by a policeman) and tell me in Australia who is going to go to those lengths to cut the ends off an illegal lead? C'mon this is Australia there are too many big fish to fry to get a headline to worry about me calling you what ever I called you... The other point I should make is that the webmistress is only liable in as much as she would have to provide under court order the contact details of the individual causing the trouble, the forum per see is not responsible for the actions of the combattants er I mean members... The reality is that there is so much hype and absolute hubris floating around on fora such as this that it would take a century to wade through it and by then its like the Harbour Bridge you start again before you finish...
-- Edited by Basil Faulty on Friday 1st of January 2010 08:44:12 PM
Basil Faulty said
09:39 PM Jan 1, 2010
Disco Duck wrote:
Some little girl is sitting back now and laughing!!
Maybe Ducky but then my shoe size is bigger than her IQ so maybe she is simply sulking.... I was going to suggest that we do not respond to such people in future but then no one would speak to me.....
Disco Duck said
09:41 PM Jan 1, 2010
The webmistress should have and probably have a disclaimer written somewhere that as this is a public forum, then the opinions expressed by the members are not necessarily her opinions.
Don't take the words of one agitator too seriously. Nobody said anything that was that serious anyway.
Basil Faulty said
09:46 PM Jan 1, 2010
Disco Duck wrote:
The webmistress should have and probably have a disclaimer written somewhere that as this is a public forum, then the opinions expressed by the members are not necessarily her opinions.
Don't take the words of one agitator too seriously. Nobody said anything that was that serious anyway.
And it was her whom came in here and cranked the handle till it fell off, we are the victims in all this with no case at all to answer.....
Rolly said
09:46 PM Jan 1, 2010
Basil Faulty wrote:
Disco Duck wrote:Some little girl is sitting back now and laughing!!
Maybe Ducky but then my shoe size is bigger than her IQ so maybe she is simply sulking.... I was going to suggest that we do not respond to such people in future but then no one would speak to me.....
Yup! Just don't feed the trolls; they already have over nourished ideas of their own importance.
I gave up using facebook to socialise on after only a couple of weeks of seeing how petty and small minded the whole thing has become. Why would anyone want to claim as 'friends' people that they know almost nothing about and have never actually met?
Human behaviour can be such an illogical thing.
brickies said
07:57 AM Jan 2, 2010
ROLLY with Facebook you can strike off any body you want and only accept who ever you want has a friend I find it perfect
Basil Faulty said
09:27 AM Jan 2, 2010
This forum could be converted to "Members Only" and we could keep out the dregs of society....If I were to set it up who would be interested?
ibbo said
10:11 AM Jan 2, 2010
Happy New year?Lets make it so without any garbage.Free speech is our constitutional right..We all know the difference between right or wrong.I for one do not need a person that I do not know to start telling me what I can or can"t say.If I ever write anything that is taken to be "Not On",I would apologize.Anyhow life is too short to become bitter and twisted.Cheers.Ibbo..............Members only.Basil that will put the Cat amongst the Ducks.
brickies said
10:38 AM Jan 2, 2010
Basil maybe a sub forum like the Solo forum that could be called let "have a beef" and members didnt want to take part they wouldn't go in there ,I think we need to kept the general forum open to help new member and attract people to our lifestyle
ibbo said
10:53 AM Jan 2, 2010
Brickies that is a good idea,but you know what human nature is like,say don't do that and the first thing we do is do that.Cheers.Ibbo.
Basil Faulty said
12:00 PM Jan 2, 2010
brickies wrote:
Basil maybe a sub forum like the Solo forum that could be called let "have a beef" and members didnt want to take part they wouldn't go in there ,I think we need to kept the general forum open to help new member and attract people to our lifestyle
That idea has merit. I've PM'd you the ultimate solution....
milo said
03:19 PM Jan 2, 2010
on another site ( a car one ) they have a section called "The Bull**** Corner "
and they have this disclamer on it
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The Bull**** Corner
If you can't take the heat. Keep outta here.
Basically, everyone (And I mean EVERYONE) is on an equal playing field in here. And No, you DO NOT have immunity from Mods/Admin in here. Just alot more leeway on what can/can't be said.
The other parts of the forum are still going to be quite strict. So if you wanna pick on something in a thread out there, drag it in here.
---
it still keeps the freedom of speech thing, but like they say if you cant handle it dont enter..
dave06 said
11:50 AM Jan 3, 2010
it's still australia and we still have freedom of speech here, if we keep our posts truthfull regardless of content then nothing can be done
the webmaster is protected from it's content
in my case my post was truthfull and as we came back through Copley it was backed up yet again
we were acosted and abused by more drunken bloody blacks wanting cash for booze, which they already had far too much of, as if we didnt have enough on our plate
anywhere near copley, I suggest you keep going through
unfortunately those with little experience or knowledge of the subject will always shout the loudest
Vic41 said
01:07 PM Jan 3, 2010
One of the problems in our society is a certain element have access to extensive legal aid which they can turn to for the most frivilous matters and heaps of taxpayers dollars are spent to support these clowns complaints which often end up being chucked out of court, however there doesn't seem to be any checks and balances on how petty some of these matters are and the money spent.
dave06 said
03:50 PM Jan 3, 2010
just as an afterthought for those among us that doubt we are a "worldwide" phenomenon if you click on "list all users" at the top of the page you will see the nations whose eyes are upon us!
if you place the little magnifying glass over the country it will tell you how many is in there watching us!!
and to all you folks out there, a big G"DAY from me!!
rosey said
04:07 PM Jan 3, 2010
dave06 wrote:
just as an afterthought for those among us that doubt we are a "worldwide" phenomenon if you click on "list all users" at the top of the page you will see the nations whose eyes are upon us!
if you place the little magnifying glass over the country it will tell you how many is in there watching us!!
and to all you folks out there, a big G"DAY from me!!
just as an afterthought for those among us that doubt we are a "worldwide" phenomenon if you click on "list all users" at the top of the page you will see the nations whose eyes are upon us!
if you place the little magnifying glass over the country it will tell you how many is in there watching us!!
and to all you folks out there, a big G"DAY from me!!
Like I said somewhere else on here, we all know different little tricks when it comes to computers and what we can do
I never knew you could look at the map like that.
Basil Faulty said
09:35 PM Jan 3, 2010
I think Cindy should change the membership status so that she can choose whom to admit as members....Less stress all round, AND if for reasons Cindy has to get on with her life and finds this takes up too much time appoint a 2IC who has the power to expunge trouble makers....
Disco Duck said
03:47 PM Jan 4, 2010
I like that idea Basil!!.............Let them in........if they didn't wear an alfoil beanie or like Ducks.........OUT they go!!
All the anti-DUCK people would go first???.....PLEASE Cindy!!
This would be such a good forum if we didn't have the likes of.....................you know who you are........ :)
Mick themungrel said
11:09 PM Jan 4, 2010
Disco Duck wrote:
I like that idea Basil!!.............Let them in........if they didn't wear an alfoil beanie or like Ducks.........OUT they go!!
All the anti-DUCK people would go first???.....PLEASE Cindy!!
This would be such a good forum if we didn't have the likes of.....................you know who you are........ :)
opps looks like I better cancel my membership then .
dave06 said
11:33 AM Jan 5, 2010
damn!!!! and I liked it so much in here too,..................... oh well!!! where's me swag!
Disco Duck said
11:55 AM Jan 5, 2010
LOL Look at the Anti-Duck brigade coming out of the woodwork now.................
Mongrels ...the lot of you. You all belong with Mick theMungrel!!
We also need to be mindful of the fact that the mass media have a history of taking comments and issues out of context in order to beat up a "good" story. The principle of "never let the facts spoil the story" often applies with them.
Anyone who has read some of my previous posts would be well aware that I'm pro free speech and anti political correctness but we do have to mindful of the legalities.
I wonder how you are allowed to defame at will on Facebook?
I'm inclined to think that Facebook's resources are somewhat more extensive than our webmaster's if it came to a defence against some action, even a specious one.
I'm not a legal type person, but it's my understanding, and I could stand to be corrected by anyone with a legal background on this, that many of these issues have yet to be tested in the courts.
Yes I'm sure it could happen but what would you suggest? Maybe we could have ingnored the remarks that caused this thread then the others of FB would have ignored us and all would have been as it was before. Agent's provocateur get their kicks out of getting a bite so if we don't bite they give up? Maybe some would but others have more front than Myers...
In NSW the ACCC handle all claims of corruption leveled at Gov't Departments anyway....
I agree and any discussion (serious) that promote any form of illegal activity can get you in hot water BUT someone with plenty of resourses has to do it, these things cost a Kings Ransom as they are civil matters so unless you are describing a criminal act commited by yourself you would be reasonably safe from prosecution. As an example the discussion on the 10 amp 15 amp business before you could be prosecuted successfully you would have to be caught in flagrante delicto ie in the act of making and selling, it is not a punishable offence to kill yourself through your own stupididty. Cutting the ends off a lead by an electrical inspector would be an interesting case because unless a complaint is made he/she would not have the authority to enter your premises without a warrant (being held high by a policeman) and tell me in Australia who is going to go to those lengths to cut the ends off an illegal lead? C'mon this is Australia there are too many big fish to fry to get a headline to worry about me calling you what ever I called you...
The other point I should make is that the webmistress is only liable in as much as she would have to provide under court order the contact details of the individual causing the trouble, the forum per see is not responsible for the actions of the combattants er I mean members...
The reality is that there is so much hype and absolute hubris floating around on fora such as this that it would take a century to wade through it and by then its like the Harbour Bridge you start again before you finish...
-- Edited by Basil Faulty on Friday 1st of January 2010 08:44:12 PM
Maybe Ducky but then my shoe size is bigger than her IQ so maybe she is simply sulking.... I was going to suggest that we do not respond to such people in future but then no one would speak to me.....
And it was her whom came in here and cranked the handle till it fell off, we are the victims in all this with no case at all to answer.....
Yup! Just don't feed the trolls; they already have over nourished ideas of their own importance.
I gave up using facebook to socialise on after only a couple of weeks of seeing how petty and small minded the whole thing has become.
Why would anyone want to claim as 'friends' people that they know almost nothing about and have never actually met?
Human behaviour can be such an illogical thing.
That idea has merit. I've PM'd you the ultimate solution....
I never knew you could look at the map like that.