Got an engineer mate here who has seemingly perfected the idea of water for fuel
He has steel cable wound around some plastic plate and connected to a battery, drops it into a glass jar with some tank water and a spoonful of pottassium hydroxide, and the resulting bubbles are full of HYDROGEN
he demo to me , scared the pants off me
a blast of flame shot across the shed with a bif bang,
he has fitted a similar setup to his old diesel Jackeroo and is getting a 30% saving in fuel with a big increase in power, a few others here are using similar setups
there is a web site called Browns Gas,
Dont tell me it dont work, cause my eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the power
any other tinkerers out there

Yep, it works but . . . The amount of energy (in joules) to produce the hydrogen is greater than the amount of energy obtained from burning the hydrogen. also . . . The main byproduct of burning hydrogen is di-hidrogen oxide or as we scientists call it - water. Using any significant quantity of hydrogen in an engine not designed for it can lead to unacceptable levels of corrosion in the cylinders. The other problem is that it takes a large volume of hydrogen to provide any meaningful amount of power unless it is liquified (which takes a large amount of energy) so it is very difficult to store in its gaseous form, not forgetting that it is FIENDISHLY explosive when mixed with air. (Ever hear of the Hindenburg?) At this stage, the only practical way of using hydrogen as an energy source is in a fuel cell, but that produces electricity, which means an electric vehicle. I don't want to rain on your friend's parade, but it's been done and it isn't a practical alternative in an internal combustion engine at this stage. If you google or wiki "Hydrogen cars" you'll see what I mean. But good luck to him for trying.

Wow! I learned more then than all my years at school. Never did understand science the way it was "taught" to us. Very interesting though.
Why can't we just accept the price of fuel, petrol, diesel, LPG, adjust your travel plans, keep the foot off the pedal a little, and enjoy the ride without the stress?
Rosy runs on diesel, and apart from the fact I was paying $1.79.9 last July, I just took it on the chin, and travelled accordingly.
We spend so much time working out how to keep costs down, save a bit here, save a bit there, free camp a bit etc, how can you relax and enjoy the journey while your "navigator' is counting kms and litres.
I have a budget, pack the van and l/cruiser using balance, weight distribution and commonsense, and the rig has done pretty well so far.
Safe and happy travels is the order of the day. Cheers Granny

Thats the only way to go Granny And thank you Mike for that info, one question though, if you are generating the power, to recharge the battery already, and then you cut it by 30% aint that saving I mean how much h/power does it cost to run the generator From the demo I saw , its too bloody voiatile for me

the conservation of energy theory will tell you that to generate 1 hp of power it will take 1.5 hp to generate it, nothing free in this world,
 
my 1,000 watt honda generator needs a 2.5 hp motor to power it?? however a smaller unit can be used if an inverter genny was to be used, 1.5 hp would be sufficient

there was this fellow a long time ago that had some of the world fooled with his constant motion machine, he had an electric motor hooked up to a small generator, once he started to turn the motor the genny would run the motor, in theory giving him free energy, all seemed very plausible

he was showed to be a fraud when from under the table a gel battery was produced which would power the motor for the period of the demonstration
 
once seen a car that a fellow had built in his shed, teriffic thing it too ran on water, oh!! that and gas, it was powered by steam, he had it running perfectly very economical and quiet, easy to drive and operate, top speed of 90 mph, 

he got an offer from gm that he could not refuse, he is in the blue mountains now retired, never has to work again, and the toyota corrola that he converted, I never seen it again

just on a different subject has anyone noticed the price of diesel is 5 cents per litre cheaper than petrol currently $1.19.9 cents per litre here in PIrie, petrol $1.24.9

I travel as granny does, light on the right foot, steady as she goes at 90 kph, easy on the throttle, and we have a budget when that runs out we conserve 


-- Edited by dave06 at 11:08, 2009-02-27