Over the last two years we have witnessed our citizens being denied the right to return home. The main question, in my opinion, is why was he given a visa knowing his supposed views on vaccination and that he was unvaccinated?
He strolls into Australia and out of the woodwork comes the Govt with motor mouth leading the charge. If they had just enforced the no vaccines no entry rule placed on everyone else, right from start, none of this embarrassment would have needed to have happened. But then, its always someone elses fault isnt it.
dorian said
07:00 AM Jan 17, 2022
My understanding (misunderstanding?) is that there is no "no vaccines no entry rule". The rule appears to be "no vaccine, no quarantine-less entry", or does this only apply to Australian citizens?
landy said
08:20 AM Jan 17, 2022
I think this puts the blame clearly where it belongs.
I think Morrison had plenty of publicly acceptable ammunition to boot Novax out of the country (lying on his visa application, allegations of COVID test manipulation, attending public events while infected), but instead the government chose to paint him as a thought criminal. The government's ineptitude just beggars belief.
"What began as a row over the exemption Djokovic procured to Australian vaccine mandates, about whether or not his exemption had been properly acquired or adequately proven, quickly turned into something altogether more sinister. In the end, he was deported because of what he thinks, his mere presence in Australia apparently deemed too dangerous to go on a moment longer."
DMaxer said
08:41 AM Jan 17, 2022
I dont really know what this weeks entry rules are Dorian. Probably just based on what may get a few votes.
How this whole sorry mess was handled has been a total embarrassment to our country. All so that incompetent fool could look tough.
Mike Harding said
09:08 AM Jan 17, 2022
Your politics are showing, again, Dmaxer.
Actually, if you trouble to read the international press you'll find most are supportive of Australia and its actions.
dorian said
09:24 AM Jan 17, 2022
Can we expect to see Djokovic on a future episode of "Border Security"?
Whenarewethere said
09:33 AM Jan 17, 2022
Australia has an innate ability of turning discreet international diplomacy into colloquial politics.
Wanda said
09:44 AM Jan 17, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
I dont really know what this weeks entry rules are Dorian. Probably just based on what may get a few votes. How this whole sorry mess was handled has been a total embarrassment to our country. All so that incompetent fool could look tough.
Well you got that right DMaxer, 100%
Ian
DMaxer said
09:53 AM Jan 17, 2022
Nothing to do with politics Mike. I just don't like where this country is heading. The man was punted because the minister thought his views on vaccinations might lead to public disorder among the anti vax crowd, It was nothing to do with being a health risk, character or even dodgy applications being filed.
I wonder what will happen to the next sports person or in fact anyone who is not a citizen who comes here and doesn't worship coal or is not in favour of franking credits and negative gearing. Straight in to custody and first plane out. He might get the electric vehicle or young people who want to be able to buy a house crowd agitated leading to public disorder. Do they really think that the Australian public is that stupid that the views of a tennis player will substitute for medical opinion? Well be can't be too bright, look who we elected.
A shameful act that will not be easily forgotten by the international community.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 17th of January 2022 09:55:57 AM
Rob Driver said
10:08 AM Jan 17, 2022
I just don't like where this country is heading. The man was punted because the minister thought his views on vaccinations might lead to public disorder among the anti vax crowd, It was nothing to do with being a health risk, character or even dodgy applications being filed.
Yes the whole thing smacked of how much the govt can look good rather than just sending him home for the real reason.
Pistol and Boo were how things were meant to be handled by a tough govt
French President Emmanuel Macron says he wants to "piss off" unvaccinated people.
Mr Macron said he wanted to make their lives so complicated they would have to end up getting inoculated.
In an interview with Le Parisien newspaper, he said unvaccinated people were irresponsible and not worthy of being considered citizens.
Mike Harding said
01:54 PM Jan 17, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
The man was punted because the minister thought his views on vaccinations might lead to public disorder among the anti vax crowd, It was nothing to do with being a health risk, character or even dodgy applications being filed.
Don't be obtuse Dmaxer, it's tiresome.
You know as well as I they kicked him out on that clause because it was deemed the most likely to beat the appeal.
We all know the little p**** should never have been allowed in and if the BF officer had given him another few hours he would have been booted originally.
This has been a bit of an administrative co.ck-up and no more, it is not a total failure of government and the sky is not falling.
One really good thing about this circus is that it is now widely known around the world that Australia decides who comes here and not some jumped-up little twit with a bit of fame who thinks he or she is important and *that* is how it should be.
dorian said
02:10 PM Jan 17, 2022
I expect that Novax was used to getting his way. His recent visit to Spain was apparently unchallenged, even though Spain has a vaccination requirement for inbound travellers. Let's hope France pulls him into line for their Open in May. It would be interesting to see how Macron proceeds, given that Morrison messed up badly, and we all know how much Macron likes him.
DMaxer said
02:15 PM Jan 17, 2022
Sorry Mike. I thought you were the one who encouraged robust discussion and championed people to have their own opinion on forums. Perhaps you only hold that view when their opinion coincides with yours.
Whenarewethere said
02:17 PM Jan 17, 2022
I have unvaccinated nephew & family from Germany recently holidaying in Spain.
Whenarewethere said
02:23 PM Jan 17, 2022
I also have cousin & family from the UK who flew into Australia recently, fully vaccinated. The gave us some RAT boxes. They can each get 7 tests a day free, so plenty of spare.
DMaxer said
02:38 PM Jan 17, 2022
According to the press he is free to play at the French Open and also Wimbledon.
Mike Harding said
02:40 PM Jan 17, 2022
DMaxer wrote:
Sorry Mike. I thought you were the one who encouraged robust discussion and championed people to have their own opinion on forums. Perhaps you only hold that view when their opinion coincides with yours.
Don't sulk Dmaxer.
I'm always interested in your opinion; you're an experienced and knowledgeable man and I read carefully what you write... and then I disagree with it :)
Santa said
02:50 PM Jan 17, 2022
It will be interesting to see how things play out in France.
Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to 'piss off' unvaccinated
I think its about time this thread was closed now. We have seen the controversy re Novak and its over...he is gone. Where he goes now and what he does is of no importance to me. This is a caravan and camping forum, so lets return to what we love doing best and that is helping each other in their travels, and forget about him.
-- Edited by Des and Jane on Monday 17th of January 2022 09:45:59 PM
yobarr said
10:00 PM Jan 17, 2022
Des and Jane wrote:
I think its about time this thread was closed now. We have seen the controversy re Novak and its over...he is gone. Where he goes now and what he does is of no importance to me. This is a caravan and camping forum, so lets return to what we love doing best and that is helping each other in their travels, and forget about him.
https://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-open/australian-open-boss-craig-tiley-is-the-real-villain-in-novak-djokovic-mess/news-story/51427437c5dd1384e6b13de41a4366c6
I think Morrison had plenty of publicly acceptable ammunition to boot Novax out of the country (lying on his visa application, allegations of COVID test manipulation, attending public events while infected), but instead the government chose to paint him as a thought criminal. The government's ineptitude just beggars belief.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/01/16/novak-djokovic-thoughtcriminal/
"What began as a row over the exemption Djokovic procured to Australian vaccine mandates, about whether or not his exemption had been properly acquired or adequately proven, quickly turned into something altogether more sinister. In the end, he was deported because of what he thinks, his mere presence in Australia apparently deemed too dangerous to go on a moment longer."
Your politics are showing, again, Dmaxer.
Actually, if you trouble to read the international press you'll find most are supportive of Australia and its actions.
Can we expect to see Djokovic on a future episode of "Border Security"?
Australia has an innate ability of turning discreet international diplomacy into colloquial politics.
Well you got that right DMaxer, 100%
Ian
Nothing to do with politics Mike. I just don't like where this country is heading. The man was punted because the minister thought his views on vaccinations might lead to public disorder among the anti vax crowd, It was nothing to do with being a health risk, character or even dodgy applications being filed.
I wonder what will happen to the next sports person or in fact anyone who is not a citizen who comes here and doesn't worship coal or is not in favour of franking credits and negative gearing. Straight in to custody and first plane out. He might get the electric vehicle or young people who want to be able to buy a house crowd agitated leading to public disorder. Do they really think that the Australian public is that stupid that the views of a tennis player will substitute for medical opinion? Well be can't be too bright, look who we elected.
A shameful act that will not be easily forgotten by the international community.
-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 17th of January 2022 09:55:57 AM
I just don't like where this country is heading. The man was punted because the minister thought his views on vaccinations might lead to public disorder among the anti vax crowd, It was nothing to do with being a health risk, character or even dodgy applications being filed.
Yes the whole thing smacked of how much the govt can look good rather than just sending him home for the real reason.
Pistol and Boo were how things were meant to be handled by a tough govt
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/jul/16/johnny-depps-dogs-amber-heard-was-repeatedly-told-she-couldnt-take-pets-to-australia-court-hears
Hahaha good one,
Maybe his parents should have called him Wayne.
Then it could be reported that,
* The Wayne from Spain is now back on the plane*
Sorry!
I havent seen any footage of him homeward bound this morning on the tv news.
Maybe he hasnt gone yet.
Maybe he is turning up at the open with a robbers mask and entering as a wild card.
Dubai.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-60014059
-- Edited by dorian on Monday 17th of January 2022 11:00:12 AM
I hope so, Dorian
It will make the wife happy, she watches that program
She wrote on a Facebook thingy
This is bull ship, send him home, or words to that effect
More trouble for Novax is looming ...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/europe-coronavirus-england-france-united-kingdom-omicron/100741110
French President Emmanuel Macron says he wants to "piss off" unvaccinated people.
Mr Macron said he wanted to make their lives so complicated they would have to end up getting inoculated.
In an interview with Le Parisien newspaper, he said unvaccinated people were irresponsible and not worthy of being considered citizens.
Don't be obtuse Dmaxer, it's tiresome.
You know as well as I they kicked him out on that clause because it was deemed the most likely to beat the appeal.
We all know the little p**** should never have been allowed in and if the BF officer had given him another few hours he would have been booted originally.
This has been a bit of an administrative co.ck-up and no more, it is not a total failure of government and the sky is not falling.
One really good thing about this circus is that it is now widely known around the world that Australia decides who comes here and not some jumped-up little twit with a bit of fame who thinks he or she is important and *that* is how it should be.
I have unvaccinated nephew & family from Germany recently holidaying in Spain.
I also have cousin & family from the UK who flew into Australia recently, fully vaccinated. The gave us some RAT boxes. They can each get 7 tests a day free, so plenty of spare.
Don't sulk Dmaxer.
I'm always interested in your opinion; you're an experienced and knowledgeable man and I read carefully what you write... and then I disagree with it :)
It will be interesting to see how things play out in France.
Covid: French uproar as Macron vows to 'piss off' unvaccinated
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59873833
By stating this I certainly dont condone anything he did or that I suggested that I would agree with anyone falsifying a vax document or record.
A vaccination document in his name might be something other countrys may want to check prior to issuing him permission to enter.
Just thinking aloud again.
Here is another story to add to the mix:
www.gloucesteradvocate.com.au/story/7574048/djokovic-can-play-french-open-minister/
Maybe just the French trying to annoy ScoMo?
I think its about time this thread was closed now.
We have seen the controversy re Novak and its over...he is gone.
Where he goes now and what he does is of no importance to me.
This is a caravan and camping forum, so lets return to what we love doing best and that is helping each other in their travels, and forget about him.
-- Edited by Des and Jane on Monday 17th of January 2022 09:45:59 PM
And the sooner the better.Cheers