Aussie1, Why is it not on the official health website? Google is full of AI trotting out the preprogrammed thoughts we are supposed to think. Doctors won't say what they think. They might get sued.
How would I possibly know why it is not on the official web site, as for my Google comment and ask your doctor, clearly you missed the smiley face.
Cheers.
Plain Truth said
01:55 PM Mar 11, 2023
It seems the reason some people have more severity than others ,starts with nasopharynx immune system.
As a supposedly vulnerable person, I would like to know the risks associated with mixing freely in the community, and how bad it really is or not. Is the risk of catching the virus worse than the risk of catching the flu? It would seem the consequences are worse, but are they?
The following is my take on trying to answer what are reasonable questions without reasonable answers IMO. I have no doubt others will see things differently.
The stats which Dorian linked to show a huge difference in death rates between here & the US which suggests (to me) that Covid was far better managed here with lockdowns etc than in the US, but of course stats today are less comprehensively collected & thus less reliable. We know what helped earlier on, now we have less to go on. Without facts we are left with opinions. Some far better informed than others. Those stats fall into that category I believe, but of course not everyone wants to believe that. We are in a world environment today when even the most solid facts can & often are dismissed as 'incorrect opinion' by folk who simply want to believe something else, frequently with little to no basis, something I call 'magical thinking'. So what hope do statistics have.
Since the stats largely stopped being collected here the answer to your questions is everybody now knows less & that what you as an individual does is up to to you to decide in the absence of solid information ie The individual's assessment is based upon their personal outlook on life, influenced by a whole range of opinions vying for support & with a wide range of competing agendas making it very difficult & in such circumstances individuals frequently fall back upon 'group allegiances'. That many of those beliefs & allegiances are to groups/belief systems who/which are directly responsible for muddying the waters allows conspiracy theories to germinate & grow, providing fertility to the gamut of anti authority/anarchic dissension which sprouts in times of uncertainty, & weak or uncaring leadership. Blame & hatred holds sway. The downward spiral of blame only leads to ever increasing uncertainty.
Those who argued for individual freedoms over what they saw as the 'nanny state' (& which some saw as caring & decisive leadership in a time of need) are now reaping what they sowed. ie. Not a lot to go on other than we know that for many catching Covid is a mild illness & for others it's a death sentence. (Unless of course you are someone who 'knows' that Covid is not real & then you have nothing to worry about). Co-morbidities help to predict whether some folk are more or less vulnerable to severe illness or death, but it's only a prediction & some unexpectedly suffer far more than others without any co-morbidities. Some notice nothing, some a few days feeling under the weather, some many weeks of a slow recovery & some worse.
If you believe you are more vulnerable then obviously you will take more precautions, if you don't believe that then you wont.
Personally I don't believe it should be like this, but the authorities were going to be criticised if they kept everything locked down tight & able to maintain the best gathering of evidence/statistics that they could, but having kowtowed to public opinion & 'let go' it seems that the inevitable uncertainty about risk which 'letting go' has brought us is now being criticised by the same bodies of people.
"Can't have cake & eat it" comes to mind.
It's a conundrum for the 'freedom/anti-authority/ anti-expertise brigade'. They got what they wanted & now feel less safe because the risks are less well known.
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Since writing the above, we lost satellite connectivity for the 'net - a common occurrence here but worse than usual today with no weather to explain it.
Whilst waiting for it to re-connect PT has posted an interesting (to me) link. I hadn't seen this before & it seems to hold promise. Not sure how far the research has progressed since it was published in '21, but if nothing else it displays how much is still to be learned about covid, & demonstrates how science, which so many dismiss, progresses knowledge one tiny step at a time.
Not so long ago there would have been universal support for such scientific endeavour. Today it is all too common for science to be dismissed as part of whichever conspiracy theory is popular at the time. Sometimes I wonder if modern dismissive attitudes toward science are a response from 'magical thinkers' angry that the science community which has alerted us to modern problems the world faces but has not also provided a solution for. - shooting the messenger ...................actually I think science has gone quite a long way to providing many solutions but, surprise surprise, has not provided the means for building political will, & acceptance for needed changes to be implemented. That's our job, which we're not very good at collectively.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 11th of March 2023 04:03:58 PM
Gaylehere said
06:11 PM Mar 11, 2023
Something sort of Covid related. This article was in todays addition of the Toowoomba Chronicle. (this is part of the article)
HOW COVID CAN CURE CANCER.
Covid could hold the secret to curing cancer. It's been proven in a test tube and now an Australian researcher is working towards trialing the breakthrough in humans. Dr.Clare Slaney and her team at the Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre and University of Melbourne are collecting T cells generated by the immune system of people infected with - or vaccinated against - the virus then re-engineering them to recognise and kill breast cancer cells. Without the widespread infection or vaccination of more than 90% of the population, the moonshot treatment would never have worked.
Dr. Slaney and her team are working on ways to improve chimeric antigen receptor T therapy, a breakthrough immunotherapy that uses the body's own immune system to cure blood cancers. To date the breakthrough CAR T therapy treatment has not worked on solid tumors such as breast cancer, but Dr. Slaney hopes to change that. She has already proven the re-engineered Covid T cells can kill breast cancer in a test tube and within three years she plans to begin a human clinical trial.
In the trial, doctors would take blood from breast cancer patients, isolate the T cells the person has made to fight Covid and genetically modify them to recognise the breast cancer. These modified cells would be injected back into the patient, and the patient would then be given a Covid vaccine (the trial is using an mRNA vaccine being developed by Monash University's Professor Colin Pouton and his group). The theory is the vaccine will push the body's immune system to make millions of new T cells that would all be equipped to fight the breast cancer.
The article goes on and I wont type it all here. but there is one sentence further into the article that says " It's probably one of the first times in history we actually have the majority of the world's population exposed, either through vaccination or through infection to the same type of virus and carrying the same type of T cells in their body".
Sorry I strayed way off the initial post but I thought something good might actually come from this pandemic.
-- Edited by Gaylehere on Saturday 11th of March 2023 06:14:50 PM
How would I possibly know why it is not on the official web site, as for my Google comment and ask your doctor, clearly you missed the smiley face.
Cheers.
It seems the reason some people have more severity than others ,starts with nasopharynx immune system.
https://answers.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-nose/
The following is my take on trying to answer what are reasonable questions without reasonable answers IMO. I have no doubt others will see things differently.
The stats which Dorian linked to show a huge difference in death rates between here & the US which suggests (to me) that Covid was far better managed here with lockdowns etc than in the US, but of course stats today are less comprehensively collected & thus less reliable. We know what helped earlier on, now we have less to go on. Without facts we are left with opinions. Some far better informed than others. Those stats fall into that category I believe, but of course not everyone wants to believe that. We are in a world environment today when even the most solid facts can & often are dismissed as 'incorrect opinion' by folk who simply want to believe something else, frequently with little to no basis, something I call 'magical thinking'. So what hope do statistics have.
Since the stats largely stopped being collected here the answer to your questions is everybody now knows less & that what you as an individual does is up to to you to decide in the absence of solid information ie The individual's assessment is based upon their personal outlook on life, influenced by a whole range of opinions vying for support & with a wide range of competing agendas making it very difficult & in such circumstances individuals frequently fall back upon 'group allegiances'. That many of those beliefs & allegiances are to groups/belief systems who/which are directly responsible for muddying the waters allows conspiracy theories to germinate & grow, providing fertility to the gamut of anti authority/anarchic dissension which sprouts in times of uncertainty, & weak or uncaring leadership. Blame & hatred holds sway. The downward spiral of blame only leads to ever increasing uncertainty.
Those who argued for individual freedoms over what they saw as the 'nanny state' (& which some saw as caring & decisive leadership in a time of need) are now reaping what they sowed. ie. Not a lot to go on other than we know that for many catching Covid is a mild illness & for others it's a death sentence. (Unless of course you are someone who 'knows' that Covid is not real & then you have nothing to worry about). Co-morbidities help to predict whether some folk are more or less vulnerable to severe illness or death, but it's only a prediction & some unexpectedly suffer far more than others without any co-morbidities. Some notice nothing, some a few days feeling under the weather, some many weeks of a slow recovery & some worse.
If you believe you are more vulnerable then obviously you will take more precautions, if you don't believe that then you wont.
Personally I don't believe it should be like this, but the authorities were going to be criticised if they kept everything locked down tight & able to maintain the best gathering of evidence/statistics that they could, but having kowtowed to public opinion & 'let go' it seems that the inevitable uncertainty about risk which 'letting go' has brought us is now being criticised by the same bodies of people.
"Can't have cake & eat it" comes to mind.
It's a conundrum for the 'freedom/anti-authority/ anti-expertise brigade'. They got what they wanted & now feel less safe because the risks are less well known.
-----------
Since writing the above, we lost satellite connectivity for the 'net - a common occurrence here but worse than usual today with no weather to explain it.
Whilst waiting for it to re-connect PT has posted an interesting (to me) link. I hadn't seen this before & it seems to hold promise. Not sure how far the research has progressed since it was published in '21, but if nothing else it displays how much is still to be learned about covid, & demonstrates how science, which so many dismiss, progresses knowledge one tiny step at a time.
Not so long ago there would have been universal support for such scientific endeavour. Today it is all too common for science to be dismissed as part of whichever conspiracy theory is popular at the time. Sometimes I wonder if modern dismissive attitudes toward science are a response from 'magical thinkers' angry that the science community which has alerted us to modern problems the world faces but has not also provided a solution for. - shooting the messenger ...................actually I think science has gone quite a long way to providing many solutions but, surprise surprise, has not provided the means for building political will, & acceptance for needed changes to be implemented. That's our job, which we're not very good at collectively.
-- Edited by Cuppa on Saturday 11th of March 2023 04:03:58 PM
Something sort of Covid related. This article was in todays addition of the Toowoomba Chronicle. (this is part of the article)
HOW COVID CAN CURE CANCER.
Covid could hold the secret to curing cancer. It's been proven in a test tube and now an Australian researcher is working towards trialing the breakthrough in humans. Dr.Clare Slaney and her team at the Peter MacCallum Cancer Centre and University of Melbourne are collecting T cells generated by the immune system of people infected with - or vaccinated against - the virus then re-engineering them to recognise and kill breast cancer cells. Without the widespread infection or vaccination of more than 90% of the population, the moonshot treatment would never have worked.
Dr. Slaney and her team are working on ways to improve chimeric antigen receptor T therapy, a breakthrough immunotherapy that uses the body's own immune system to cure blood cancers. To date the breakthrough CAR T therapy treatment has not worked on solid tumors such as breast cancer, but Dr. Slaney hopes to change that. She has already proven the re-engineered Covid T cells can kill breast cancer in a test tube and within three years she plans to begin a human clinical trial.
In the trial, doctors would take blood from breast cancer patients, isolate the T cells the person has made to fight Covid and genetically modify them to recognise the breast cancer. These modified cells would be injected back into the patient, and the patient would then be given a Covid vaccine (the trial is using an mRNA vaccine being developed by Monash University's Professor Colin Pouton and his group). The theory is the vaccine will push the body's immune system to make millions of new T cells that would all be equipped to fight the breast cancer.
The article goes on and I wont type it all here. but there is one sentence further into the article that says " It's probably one of the first times in history we actually have the majority of the world's population exposed, either through vaccination or through infection to the same type of virus and carrying the same type of T cells in their body".
Sorry I strayed way off the initial post but I thought something good might actually come from this pandemic.
-- Edited by Gaylehere on Saturday 11th of March 2023 06:14:50 PM