OK, I got it installed, albeit at the expense of my windows partition. I decided to try an install over the top of existing OS's, seeing as my XP install was scragged now anyway. It installed OK and booted up, but still goes into fallback mode. I think that is a video card driver issue from some googling, but not 100% sure. So far haven't had much of a play with it, but it doesn't seem to bad. I'm logged on using firefox running under mint at the moment. If from what N.P. is saying it's my ram that's the problem, then it must be hungrier than win XP, cos that ran very well on here. Have 1GB RAM, AMD Athlon XP 1800+ processor, ATI RV280 Radeon 9200 video card.
If your computer doesn't have 3D acceleration, then cinnamon will do what you're getting, as it requires it. Mint XFCE doesn't need 3D, so it sidesteps the issue altogether. Sorry thought I'd edited the ram bit out, put video ram instead of video memory. Ram has nothing to do with it, 1 gig is more than adequate, it's when you get below 500meg you have problems with todays releases, they are pretty graphic hungry.
A number of people are having the same problems with mint 16, as they don't have 3d acceleration, so you're not alone. Most have gone to XFCE, Lubuntu or puppy to update their old machines.
03_troopy said
08:11 PM Mar 19, 2014
OK, thanks N.P. I don't understand why it needs 3D acceleration though, after all it's the OS and user interface, not a graphics hungry game.
and grab this one then right click on the iso file and burn to a CD
not sure if my problem was that fact that I downloaded to a dvd now have tried cd, bit it is not the same file as the first one I tried.
That's a really old version, you didn't read it, this is the page you get it from and it's "slacko-5.7-noPae.iso" which is fourth from the bottom of the list, or 7th from the top. http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/
Remember this isn't windows, linux distro's are all different in some cases very different. You need to read the "getting started" so you understand what your doing. Even the biggest geeks read the getting started with new releases and the accompanying help and tutorial sections, when getting into a new distro, I certainly do as I like to tune and individualise my systems a bit.
When you're dealing with clunky old hardware, theres a fair bit of understanding to go through because of the limits they have compared to todays computers. When using linux, you have to realise it works totally differently to what you are used to and especially when you are using old machines, they need TLC to keep going. There's an old saying which runs true in all of life and if you want success at anything, you have to abide by it, or you fail. Short term pain brings long term gain, whilst short term gain only brings long term pain. Linux is short term pain, long term gain, in every aspect of computing. it's a people driven free computer world, not corporate controlled.
_wombat_ said
08:38 PM Mar 19, 2014
thanks NP, going to have a look there now
native pepper said
08:42 PM Mar 19, 2014
03_troopy wrote:
OK, thanks N.P. I don't understand why it needs 3D acceleration though, after all it's the OS and user interface, not a graphics hungry game.
That's why they have other flavours, like XFCE. Not sure if you can turn it off, but you have to be in it to do that and it would be a terminal job and that's sort of like DOS, but much more simple and millions of times more powerful.
Graphic and video animation requires 3d acceleration, that's why linux is used by the top graphic and video animation studios on the planet and Ubuntu is the platform used. Mint is a ubuntu derivative, so has the same engine and back room as ubuntu, its in the front end and compilation of the system which makes it difference.
Nothing like using Openshot video and adding gimp, blender, and inkscape graphics to your movies. I run Ubuntu studio on my laptop, it's a dedicated multimedia production distro and just rocks.
_wombat_ said
10:35 PM Mar 19, 2014
native pepper wrote:
03_troopy wrote:
OK, thanks N.P. I don't understand why it needs 3D acceleration though, after all it's the OS and user interface, not a graphics hungry game.
That's why they have other flavours, like XFCE. Not sure if you can turn it off, but you have to be in it to do that and it would be a terminal job and that's sort of like DOS, but much more simple and millions of times more powerful.
Graphic and video animation requires 3d acceleration, that's why linux is used by the top graphic and video animation studios on the planet and Ubuntu is the platform used. Mint is a ubuntu derivative, so has the same engine and back room as ubuntu, its in the front end and compilation of the system which makes it difference.
Nothing like using Openshot video and adding gimp, blender, and inkscape graphics to your movies. I run Ubuntu studio on my laptop, it's a dedicated multimedia production distro and just rocks.
most Ubuntu based Linux will dual boot alonside windows
I use Zorin looks like win7 .only thing i cant do is update my Tom Tom
alsowhen burning iso file to Cd dvd is burn at a fare slow speed
_wombat_ said
01:58 PM Mar 21, 2014
Cowboy7307 wrote:
most Ubuntu based Linux will dual boot alonside windows I use Zorin looks like win7 .only thing i cant do is update my Tom Tom alsowhen burning iso file to Cd dvd is burn at a fare slow speed
Just looking at a utube about Zorin, and he is saying you have to pay for it 10euro, is this correct ?
Wombat
No there is the ultimate you pay for, the core is free
if you want LTS long term service to 2017 use 6.04 lts core
8 is their rolling one ,new version every 6 months but may have the latest software and kernel
I use LTS
_wombat_ said
02:21 PM Mar 21, 2014
Cowboy7307 wrote:
Wombat No there is the ultimate you pay for, the core is free if you want LTS long term service to 2017 use 6.04 lts core 8 is their rolling one ,new version every 6 months but may have the latest software and kernel I use LTS
do you have a link for that please
Cowboy7307 said
02:31 PM Mar 21, 2014
zorin-os.com/free.html
Thy are both free 6.4lts and 8.core
you will pay for the ultimate in both ,ultimate is a fully loaded version but i find over bloated just like some mobile phones
its easy to load what you want when installed
_wombat_ said
07:04 PM Mar 21, 2014
Cowboy7307 wrote:
zorin-os.com/free.html Thy are both free 6.4lts and 8.core you will pay for the ultimate in both ,ultimate is a fully loaded version but i find over bloated just like some mobile phones its easy to load what you want when installed
thank you cowboy, downloading now, I want to try a few out.
native pepper said
08:39 AM Mar 22, 2014
_wombat_ wrote:
Cowboy7307 wrote:
zorin-os.com/free.html Thy are both free 6.4lts and 8.core you will pay for the ultimate in both ,ultimate is a fully loaded version but i find over bloated just like some mobile phones its easy to load what you want when installed
thank you cowboy, downloading now, I want to try a few out.
If you want to try out a few different distro's. why don't you set up a dual boot with mint or another up to date release and try out different ones using virtual box. That way you can download and install in VB to try the distro out, without having to burn it to disc and load it. You can have any number of distro's in VB, as long as your computer has the resources to run them all. Plus you can delete them at will and as long as the iso is available on your system, you can upgrade, add software and play all you like. It won't hurt your computer and will give you the opportunity to check lots of distro's and software out.
Remember one thing, many of these distro;'s are designed for specific uses systems, so may be buggy and not stable, using VB will allow you to safely play with them and not effect your system. Which is much better then using them as a live disc.
-- Edited by native pepper on Saturday 22nd of March 2014 08:41:56 AM
_wombat_ said
08:51 AM Mar 22, 2014
Morning NP,
I have tried 4 others and only the Slacko one works on my old compaq so I'll stick with that for now, I put to disk Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit & Zorin 64 and 32 bit, I still have two more computers to try these on will do that this week I hope.
I did have a play around with Slacko yesterday, looks good to me.
Thank you for your help.
native pepper said
09:24 AM Mar 22, 2014
_wombat_ wrote:
Morning NP,
I have tried 4 others and only the Slacko one works on my old compaq so I'll stick with that for now, I put to disk Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit & Zorin 64 and 32 bit, I still have two more computers to try these on will do that this week I hope.
I did have a play around with Slacko yesterday, looks good to me.
Thank you for your help.
64bit won't run on a 32bit computer, you could also try Lubuntu which should work on your compaq. Cinnamon requires 3d acceleration, zorin may also, so you need something a bit up to date to run them, That's why I suggested dual booting with windows or download the VB for windows and try your distro's in that. Not sure how well VB works in win, but worth a try.
I have tried 4 others and only the Slacko one works on my old compaq so I'll stick with that for now, I put to disk Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit & Zorin 64 and 32 bit, I still have two more computers to try these on will do that this week I hope.
I did have a play around with Slacko yesterday, looks good to me.
Thank you for your help.
64bit won't run on a 32bit computer, you could also try Lubuntu which should work on your compaq. Cinnamon requires 3d acceleration, zorin may also, so you need something a bit up to date to run them, That's why I suggested dual booting with windows or download the VB for windows and try your distro's in that. Not sure how well VB works in win, but worth a try.
thanks for that info NP, I do have two other systems that I have not had time to test bot 64bit, very busy at the moment getting ready to go do a house sit (with no int) then home for a week then away to do a framsit, may not have time to try your suggestions until after our farmsit.
native pepper said
07:40 AM Mar 23, 2014
_wombat_ wrote:
native pepper wrote:
_wombat_ wrote:
Morning NP,
I have tried 4 others and only the Slacko one works on my old compaq so I'll stick with that for now, I put to disk Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit & Zorin 64 and 32 bit, I still have two more computers to try these on will do that this week I hope.
I did have a play around with Slacko yesterday, looks good to me.
Thank you for your help.
64bit won't run on a 32bit computer, you could also try Lubuntu which should work on your compaq. Cinnamon requires 3d acceleration, zorin may also, so you need something a bit up to date to run them, That's why I suggested dual booting with windows or download the VB for windows and try your distro's in that. Not sure how well VB works in win, but worth a try.
thanks for that info NP, I do have two other systems that I have not had time to test bot 64bit, very busy at the moment getting ready to go do a house sit (with no int) then home for a week then away to do a framsit, may not have time to try your suggestions until after our farmsit.
Enjoy your house sitting.
03_troopy said
05:11 PM Mar 23, 2014
A quick question for Native Pepper. So far I have had a bit of a play with Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint 16 Cinnamon, and Mint 16 Mate. In all of the distros I have not been able to view any SWF items ie. chat windows or videos. I need an older version of SWF (11.1 I think is the one recommended). How do I go about removing SWF 11.2 and installing SWF 11.1
Another thing is setting up a dual boot menu on bootup, I don't get a screen where I can choose between different OS boots. There is a short period where my Monitor has a message "Out of Range", it's a BenQ FP71E I got for free from a garage sale. I'm thinking maybe the boot choice is being displayed during this time, and my monitor can't display the screen which is out of it's display parameters. Eventually the system boots up into whichever OS I last installed.
oldbobsbus said
09:26 AM Mar 24, 2014
The Postie has just been....
I now have a CD with linux on it thanks to Wombat
_wombat_ said
09:39 AM Mar 24, 2014
oldbobsbus wrote:
The Postie has just been....
I now have a CD with linux on it thanks to Wombat
thats good to hear, but does it work?
correction here, sorry about this but I should have said 'that's' at the start of the line above
oldbobsbus said
10:02 AM Mar 24, 2014
_wombat_ wrote:
oldbobsbus wrote:
The Postie has just been....
I now have a CD with linux on it thanks to Wombat
thats good to hear, but does it work?
correction here, sorry about this but I should have said 'that's' at the start of the line above
I understood it on the first line..
It's Bob here with a capital B not brian without a capital B..
native pepper said
03:05 PM Mar 24, 2014
03_troopy wrote:
A quick question for Native Pepper. So far I have had a bit of a play with Lubuntu, Xubuntu, Mint 16 Cinnamon, and Mint 16 Mate. In all of the distros I have not been able to view any SWF items ie. chat windows or videos. I need an older version of SWF (11.1 I think is the one recommended). How do I go about removing SWF 11.2 and installing SWF 11.1
Another thing is setting up a dual boot menu on bootup, I don't get a screen where I can choose between different OS boots. There is a short period where my Monitor has a message "Out of Range", it's a BenQ FP71E I got for free from a garage sale. I'm thinking maybe the boot choice is being displayed during this time, and my monitor can't display the screen which is out of it's display parameters. Eventually the system boots up into whichever OS I last installed.
That's a big ask, it requires a lot of terminal work and I'm not that good at explaining things like that. The link below should help you if it is flash player you want to fix, instead of shockewave, which is a derivative of Debian. Then you should look for "gnash" in synaptic package manager and work through that.
Thanks NP, I sorted it out when I got home from work this afternoon. Well the SWF probem anyway. It was the firefox plugin for SWF that I meant sorry (I didn't explain myself too well there did I). And yes it did require a little bit of CLI work, but fairly basic. I think the dual boot problem is as I predicted also, because during bootup later this afternoon, i pressed the down key and hit enter during that pause with the "out of range" message (just to see what happened), and mint started booting in recovery mode.
So far, my Linux re-visitation is going along well. Mate version of mint16 seems to be working quite well on this machine.
Edit: Anyone finding any spelling or grammatical errors, please feel free to print out my post, correct it, then file it in the big round filing cabinet.
-- Edited by 03_troopy on Monday 24th of March 2014 06:59:12 PM
native pepper said
08:15 AM Mar 25, 2014
Glad it was firefox, not that hard to fix. You could download a supergrub iso and use that to see if you can fix the boot problem.I prefer puppy for things like that for some reason it works better for me, but grub/super grub is great.
That's what's nice about linux, you have so many choices and can play with them all you want, or just have a solid no frills system of your choice or flavour.
Just a little note to all those who claim linux is a waste of time and years behind windows and apple, here are some fact as to who and how linux is used.
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 29th of March 2014 03:34:23 PM
oldbobsbus said
02:27 PM Mar 28, 2014
native pepper wrote:
Just a little note to all those who claim linux is a waste of time and years behind windows and apple, here are some fact as to who and how linux is used and not the propaganda spread by paranoid fools living deep in the past.
I am trying to come to terms with Linux but it isn't the plug and play it is purported to be sadly.
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 29th of March 2014 03:34:41 PM
03_troopy said
05:59 PM Mar 28, 2014
Linux is definitely widespread these days. I'm fairly sure they used a linux based system on the F18 simulator in the RAAF too.
Cowboy7307 said
04:48 AM Mar 29, 2014
oldbobsbus wrote:
I am trying to come to terms with Linux but it isn't the plug and play it is purported to be sadly.
that all depends on what you want to do with it, i find most things are just as easy ,and free so far
dorian said
05:47 AM Mar 29, 2014
I think Linux will only ever attain widespread appeal if it is taught in school. Even then, Linux will probably never appeal to certain computer users. To see why, you only need to visit the Linux, Windows, and Apple forums.
A Linux user explains computer problems in terms of bits and bytes. A Mac user reports the same problems in terms of beeps and balloons.
A tech support session with a Linux user would be akin to a doctor explaining his patient's symptoms to another doctor. A tech support session with a Mac user would be like a veterinarian interrogating a hamster.
That's a really old version, you didn't read it, this is the page you get it from and it's "slacko-5.7-noPae.iso" which is fourth from the bottom of the list, or 7th from the top. http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-slacko-5.7/
Remember this isn't windows, linux distro's are all different in some cases very different. You need to read the "getting started" so you understand what your doing. Even the biggest geeks read the getting started with new releases and the accompanying help and tutorial sections, when getting into a new distro, I certainly do as I like to tune and individualise my systems a bit.
When you're dealing with clunky old hardware, theres a fair bit of understanding to go through because of the limits they have compared to todays computers. When using linux, you have to realise it works totally differently to what you are used to and especially when you are using old machines, they need TLC to keep going. There's an old saying which runs true in all of life and if you want success at anything, you have to abide by it, or you fail. Short term pain brings long term gain, whilst short term gain only brings long term pain. Linux is short term pain, long term gain, in every aspect of computing. it's a people driven free computer world, not corporate controlled.
thanks NP, going to have a look there now
That's why they have other flavours, like XFCE. Not sure if you can turn it off, but you have to be in it to do that and it would be a terminal job and that's sort of like DOS, but much more simple and millions of times more powerful.
Graphic and video animation requires 3d acceleration, that's why linux is used by the top graphic and video animation studios on the planet and Ubuntu is the platform used. Mint is a ubuntu derivative, so has the same engine and back room as ubuntu, its in the front end and compilation of the system which makes it difference.
Nothing like using Openshot video and adding gimp, blender, and inkscape graphics to your movies. I run Ubuntu studio on my laptop, it's a dedicated multimedia production distro and just rocks.
r u running cineamon ver for Linux?
I now have 5.7 on cd and working, see pic
I use Zorin looks like win7 .only thing i cant do is update my Tom Tom
alsowhen burning iso file to Cd dvd is burn at a fare slow speed
Just looking at a utube about Zorin, and he is saying you have to pay for it 10euro, is this correct ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNC-UmSS6vU
No there is the ultimate you pay for, the core is free
if you want LTS long term service to 2017 use 6.04 lts core
8 is their rolling one ,new version every 6 months but may have the latest software and kernel
I use LTS
do you have a link for that please
Thy are both free 6.4lts and 8.core
you will pay for the ultimate in both ,ultimate is a fully loaded version but i find over bloated just like some mobile phones
its easy to load what you want when installed
thank you cowboy, downloading now, I want to try a few out.
If you want to try out a few different distro's. why don't you set up a dual boot with mint or another up to date release and try out different ones using virtual box. That way you can download and install in VB to try the distro out, without having to burn it to disc and load it. You can have any number of distro's in VB, as long as your computer has the resources to run them all. Plus you can delete them at will and as long as the iso is available on your system, you can upgrade, add software and play all you like. It won't hurt your computer and will give you the opportunity to check lots of distro's and software out.
Remember one thing, many of these distro;'s are designed for specific uses systems, so may be buggy and not stable, using VB will allow you to safely play with them and not effect your system. Which is much better then using them as a live disc.
-- Edited by native pepper on Saturday 22nd of March 2014 08:41:56 AM
Morning NP,
I have tried 4 others and only the Slacko one works on my old compaq so I'll stick with that for now, I put to disk Cinnamon 64 and 32 bit & Zorin 64 and 32 bit, I still have two more computers to try these on will do that this week I hope.
I did have a play around with Slacko yesterday, looks good to me.
Thank you for your help.
64bit won't run on a 32bit computer, you could also try Lubuntu which should work on your compaq. Cinnamon requires 3d acceleration, zorin may also, so you need something a bit up to date to run them, That's why I suggested dual booting with windows or download the VB for windows and try your distro's in that. Not sure how well VB works in win, but worth a try.
http://www.win-install.com/virtualbox?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=WIN_AU_LongTail&utm_content=VirtualBox&utm_term=virtualbox%20for%20windows
http://lubuntu.net/
thanks for that info NP, I do have two other systems that I have not had time to test bot 64bit, very busy at the moment getting ready to go do a house sit (with no int) then home for a week then away to do a framsit, may not have time to try your suggestions until after our farmsit.
Enjoy your house sitting.
Another thing is setting up a dual boot menu on bootup, I don't get a screen where I can choose between different OS boots. There is a short period where my Monitor has a message "Out of Range", it's a BenQ FP71E I got for free from a garage sale. I'm thinking maybe the boot choice is being displayed during this time, and my monitor can't display the screen which is out of it's display parameters. Eventually the system boots up into whichever OS I last installed.
The Postie has just been....
I now have a CD with linux on it thanks to Wombat
thats good to hear, but does it work?
correction here, sorry about this but I should have said 'that's' at the start of the line above
I understood it on the first line..
It's Bob here with a capital B not brian without a capital B..
That's a big ask, it requires a lot of terminal work and I'm not that good at explaining things like that. The link below should help you if it is flash player you want to fix, instead of shockewave, which is a derivative of Debian. Then you should look for "gnash" in synaptic package manager and work through that.
http://m.wikihow.com/Upgrade-Adobe-Flash-Player-on-Linux-Mint
Thanks NP, I sorted it out when I got home from work this afternoon. Well the SWF probem anyway. It was the firefox plugin for SWF that I meant sorry (I didn't explain myself too well there did I). And yes it did require a little bit of CLI work, but fairly basic.
I think the dual boot problem is as I predicted also, because during bootup later this afternoon, i pressed the down key and hit enter during that pause with the "out of range" message (just to see what happened), and mint started booting in recovery mode.
So far, my Linux re-visitation is going along well. Mate version of mint16 seems to be working quite well on this machine.
Edit: Anyone finding any spelling or grammatical errors, please feel free to print out my post, correct it, then file it in the big round filing cabinet.
-- Edited by 03_troopy on Monday 24th of March 2014 06:59:12 PM
Glad it was firefox, not that hard to fix. You could download a supergrub iso and use that to see if you can fix the boot problem.I prefer puppy for things like that for some reason it works better for me, but grub/super grub is great.
That's what's nice about linux, you have so many choices and can play with them all you want, or just have a solid no frills system of your choice or flavour.
http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
Just a little note to all those who claim linux is a waste of time and years behind windows and apple, here are some fact as to who and how linux is used.
http://www.linuxfederation.com/linux-everywhere/
http://www.omni-ts.com/linux-desktop/
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 29th of March 2014 03:34:23 PM
I am trying to come to terms with Linux but it isn't the plug and play it is purported to be sadly.
-- Edited by Webmaster on Saturday 29th of March 2014 03:34:41 PM
that all depends on what you want to do with it, i find most things are just as easy ,and free so far
A Linux user explains computer problems in terms of bits and bytes. A Mac user reports the same problems in terms of beeps and balloons.
A tech support session with a Linux user would be akin to a doctor explaining his patient's symptoms to another doctor. A tech support session with a Mac user would be like a veterinarian interrogating a hamster.