oldbobsbus wrote:

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That style of pigtail should last you many years but when it comes time to change them I would replace them with woven flex pigtails with the yellow tracer and you should be able to get the place you buy them from to change them over for you or recommend a licenced LPGas fitter to do it for you.. the hoses themselves aren't cheap but I would have thought $200 just a little high..

Maybe if your plumber mate can't do it for you he may be able to get a licenced fitter to do it for you..
Ohhhh and you may need to get your mate to buy the hoses for you as most Plumbers supply places will only sell LPGas fittings to licence holders I know thats the case with Tradelink..

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 What th?  I bought a new regulator complete with pigtails from a caravan outlet.  It is not rocket science to change them over.

oldtrack123 wrote:

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Hi Brian
A boo boo on my part I simpl ylooked atthe dte ofthe link being put up, that was 2010
Butaftervreading vthefine print in the actual document isthe2004version
Now how to get a copy of the LATEST version

PeterQ

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 Pete it MAY be the latest version,,, that is one of the main issues. We simply don't know. Especially as it doesn't have a sponsor (ie who owns it ). Does the office of Gas Safety still exist is one question I would ask PLUS under what legislation is it enforceable TODAY.

HI Delta

That is a consumer connection  designed for as a consumer connection & should not involve breaking any permanent  joints

No problem, but just test it with soapy water each time, after you have changed it ,to ensure it is sealing correctly [ no leaks]'

PeterQ

OK in Vic it looks as though the

Gas Safety Act 1997 applies, and the

Gas Safety (Gas Installation) Regs of 2008 apply and call up AS5601 as follows.

Part 3Gasfitting Work

Division 1Standards

       15   Prescribed standard for gasfitting work

For the purposes of section 72(1) of the Act, the prescribed standard in relation to gasfitting work is AS 5601.

So the short answer is someone will need to purchase AS 5601 (the current one) to advise us as the Office of Gas Safety information says on page 2 .

Baz421 wrote:

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 Pete it MAY be the latest version,,, that is one of the main issues. We simply don't know. Especially as it doesn't have a sponsor (ie who owns it ). Does the office of Gas Safety still exist is one question I would ask PLUS under what legislation is it enforceable TODAY.

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  HI Baz

It is a direct link to Vic ESO

BUT I now see,due to Brians post, that it is not the latest version

I will have to search back for little extracts that I have found ,earlier which were from the latest version

Possibly in the ESO news I recieve but which STATE

IT is not claimed to be the full Standard just sufficient for"Joe Blow"to KNOW what should be  done

YeS,that office or it's counterpart  still exists in every state.

LIKE The Elecrical Standards the Gas Standards are enforced under state GAS ACTS & LEGISLATION

ALL states call up the Standards

They only have to call them up once in the legislation/ acts wth the simple words like  AS/NZS 5601: 2004 & ALL revision" 

 All  tates have legislation which shows who can do what with any particular license & when licenses are required

THE various ESOs or their counterparts in each state are all easily contactable via phone or email.

Unfortunately sometimes you get a Dic#^*ead who does not have a clue,so you need to know the DIFFICULT questions to ask & see if the can come up with answers

PeterQ

I see you posted while I was typing

-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Saturday 15th of February 2014 11:23:45 PM

Baz421 wrote:

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OK in Vic it looks as though the

Gas Safety Act 1997 applies, and the

Gas Safety (Gas Installation) Regs of 2008 apply and call up AS5601 as follows.

Part 3Gasfitting Work

Division 1Standards

       15   Prescribed standard for gasfitting work

r. 15

For the purposes of section 72(1) of the Act, the prescribed standard in relation to gasfitting work is AS 5601.

 

So the short answer is someone will need to purchase AS 5601 (the current one) to advise us as the Office of Gas Safety information says on page 2 .

-- Edited by Baz421 on Saturday 15th of February 2014 11:07:47 PM

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 HI Baz

yes THAt i sthe way it goes the legislation will only refer to the relevent STANDARDS to find out what the FULL standard SAYS you have to :

buy one 

Steal one 

find a pirate copy online [good liuck with that one]

Or beg for a loan from someone who has one

 As they are copyright protected, one has to be very carefull in posting extracts!!

PeterQ

deverall11 wrote:

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I suppose next thing you will need a gas licensed plumber to change over your gas cylinder on your BBQ at home?????????

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 It might save a few peoples lives..

oldbobsbus wrote:

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deverall11 wrote:

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I suppose next thing you will need a gas licensed plumber to change over your gas cylinder on your BBQ at home?????????

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 It might save a few peoples lives..

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HI

That AND probably a lot of fires & severe burns  

ps it seems the NEW standard AS/NZS5601: 2013 part 1[ general] & part 2 [boats, caravans etc]

  will be law by  around July

deverall11 wrote:

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My comment was tongue in cheek, however, how do any of you see this implemented. Is joe bloggs when he goes to Bunnings for a swap & go gas bottle to be followed by some inspector to ensure a licensed gas plumber will fit is new gas bottle?

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Hi

Perhaps you misunderstood 

There is no intention of stopping a consumer changeover a gas bottle

.That is considered a user friendly connections

.BUT should always be checked after fitting for leaks

native pepper wrote:

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We change over to s/s flexible gas hoses when we got our current bus, over the years we found copper pipes tend to come loose if you go off road and wear rapidly under lots of vibration.

Now we put the flexible hoses inside black poly pipe and seal the ends with silicone, this way nothing gets to the hoses to wear them out. If there are any problems, you just remove the silicone and pull out the hose. Been like that for more than 3 years and never had a problem. Changed the copper gas pipes in our houses and motorsailer to flexible hoses. No need for a plumber, nothing for them to do. Just make sure you use the proper gas tape for connections and no more problems or gas leaks.

-- Edited by native pepper on Friday 14th of February 2014 04:52:09 PM

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It is actually against AS5601 guidelines to use ANY sealant, tape or otherwise, on flared or metal to metal joints such as pigtail connectors. I usually have a chuckle when I see yellow tape on a POL connector.

Spook wrote:

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native pepper wrote:

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~~~Now we put the flexible hoses inside black poly pipe and seal the ends with silicone, this way nothing gets to the hoses to wear them out. ~~~

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It is actually against AS5601 guidelines to use ANY sealant, tape or otherwise, on flared or metal to metal joints such as pigtail connectors. I usually have a chuckle when I see yellow tape on a POL connector.

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 Gday...

I think ya got Native Pepper's description a bit muddled. I read that as he puts the flexible hoses INSIDE some poly pipe as a protection .... and the silicone seals the gap between the black poly and the flexible hose. I have read it that there is NO sealant on the actual gas connections.

Cheers - John

rockylizard wrote:

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Spook wrote:

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native pepper wrote:

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~~~Now we put the flexible hoses inside black poly pipe and seal the ends with silicone, this way nothing gets to the hoses to wear them out. ~~~

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It is actually against AS5601 guidelines to use ANY sealant, tape or otherwise, on flared or metal to metal joints such as pigtail connectors. I usually have a chuckle when I see yellow tape on a POL connector.

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 Gday...

I think ya got Native Pepper's description a bit muddled. I read that as he puts the flexible hoses INSIDE some poly pipe as a protection .... and the silicone seals the gap between the black poly and the flexible hose. I have read it that there is NO sealant on the actual gas connections.

Cheers - John

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Thanks, but don't worry about it John, these know it alls are everywhere you go and think everyone is below them and their knowledge is superior to the reality ands rarely read what's posted. But when you see the reality on the road year after year, it's a bit of a laugh.

There is tape on the joints between hose lengths and taping them was on the advice of the government gas inspector, they don't use tape on most gas connections because there is no movement. But on a moving vehicle, hoses and pipes are subject to constant vibration no matter how well they are attached and that's where 90% of gas problems occur, where the fatigue on the copper pipes is the worst, around bends and joints. The inspectors have been doing this work on land and marine transport for many years and would certainly know what works and what doesn't, unlike many urban vanners.

My motto is listen and follow the advice given by those who have the experience, knowledge and matter. Forums like this should be for the free flow of information, sadly some forums seem to be riddled with those determined to only allow their limited and biased viewpoint. They demand guidelines must be adhered to, yet they are only guidelines, not law and completely denounce anyone who has more knowledge and experience than them in travelling and life.

Same with having the regulator attached directly to the gas bottle and flexible hose after that. Another bit of advice from the inspectors and for the same reason, constant vibration. They also advised on the best type of hose to use and never use plain rubber as internal gas pressure breaks it down.

My motto is listen and follow the advice given by those who have the experience, knowledge and matter. Forums like this should be for the free flow of information, sadly some forums seem to be riddled with those determined to only allow their limited and biased viewpoint. They demand guidelines must be adhered to, yet they are only guidelines, not law and completely denounce anyone who has more knowledge and experience than them in travelling and life.

Same with having the regulator attached directly to the gas bottle and flexible hose after that. Another bit of advice from the inspectors and for the same reason, constant vibration. They also advised on the best type of hose to use and never use plain rubber as internal gas pressure breaks it down.

 

 

 

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 So you are say that the ones here giving advice are idiots that know nothing.....

Okay well you are allowed your opinion and for the record I will refrain from giving you any advice on gas related subjects regardless of having spent 38 years in the business and holding both a LP Gasfitters licence AND an Automotive gasfitters licence..

But then as you say I am only a knowitall that doesn't know what I'm talking about..

I think you need to take what Native Pepper says with a pinch of salt Bob.

HI Brian & Old bob
Remember the old saying; "Jack of all trades ,master of none"
It seems to fit NP nicely!!
Yes, I too ,would advice all ,to take a bush mechanic's theories with a grain of salt

He is not a master gas fitter .Master electrician ,an electrical engineer , Electronics expert, [despite his own opinions of his capabilities!!!
All of whom are on this forum, have put years of PRACTICAL experience into their profession!!

And although some may not believe it ,if you do not understand the theory,you will be hard put to quickly find the ACTUAL problem & FIX THAT!!


Most bush mechanics overcome the problem/s,IMHO bodgy up a cure ,rather than FIND the problems /fault/s & fix THEM.

Also to them Standards are unimportant, THEY "know" ?? better!!
The comment of flexible hoses ,instead of coper pipe in the house, shows what a risk people would take if they followed "a jack of all trades" advice
PeterQ

-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Thursday 20th of February 2014 12:50:27 AM

We've just had our house gas changed from natural to LPG, had the work done by a meticulously strict young gas fitter who only does domestic or industrial applications and no caravans - said he wouldn't do caravans because he wanted to protect his reputation.
I just checked the work and whilst he certainly did not use tape, he did use some sort of waxy sealer where the pigtail enters the regulator. Also of note is that behind the stove in the kitchen, there is a 1 metre flexible hose to allow you to pull the stove from the wall to service.
Now I'm not say what is correct or otherwise, just describing the work done on our house, which I have no complaints about. He attached a certification plate to the wall above the regulater and supplied us with certification papers etc for our insurance company and 'whoever'.

hako wrote:

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We've just had our house gas changed from natural to LPG, had the work done by a meticulously strict young gas fitter who only does domestic or industrial applications and no caravans - said he wouldn't do caravans because he wanted to protect his reputation.
I just checked the work and whilst he certainly did not use tape, he did use some sort of waxy sealer where the pigtail enters the regulator. Also of note is that behind the stove in the kitchen, there is a 1 metre flexible hose to allow you to pull the stove from the wall to service.
Now I'm not say what is correct or otherwise, just describing the work done on our house, which I have no complaints about. He attached a certification plate to the wall above the regulator and supplied us with certification papers etc for our insurance company and 'whoever'.

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 The flex hose he used behind the stove is exactly there for the reason he gave and is a must come time to service the stove..

The sealant he used on the top of the regulator is called Loxseal and he put that on the adapter that has a tapered thread where it goes into the reg, you will notice he never used any sealant on the nut on the pigtail which has a tapered seat on the end of the copper pipe and that taper seals on a seat in the adapter. If he were to use sealant there it would only seal the thread and not be conducive to a good sealed joint between the copper pipe and the adapter..

oldbobsbus wrote:

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SNIP

 

The flex hose he used behind the stove is exactly there for the reason he gave and is a must come time to service the stove..

The sealant he used on the top of the regulator is called Loxseal and he put that on the adapter that has a tapered thread where it goes into the reg, you will notice he never used any sealant on the nut on the pigtail which has a tapered seat on the end of the copper pipe and that taper seals on a seat in the adapter. If he were to use sealant there it would only seal the thread and not be conducive to a good sealed joint between the copper pipe and the adapter..

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Thanks Bob, you've confirmed his work was 100%. 

Regards

native pepper wrote:

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rockylizard wrote:

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Spook wrote:

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native pepper wrote:

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~~~Now we put the flexible hoses inside black poly pipe and seal the ends with silicone, this way nothing gets to the hoses to wear them out. ~~~

---

It is actually against AS5601 guidelines to use ANY sealant, tape or otherwise, on flared or metal to metal joints such as pigtail connectors. I usually have a chuckle when I see yellow tape on a POL connector.

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 Gday...

I think ya got Native Pepper's description a bit muddled. I read that as he puts the flexible hoses INSIDE some poly pipe as a protection .... and the silicone seals the gap between the black poly and the flexible hose. I have read it that there is NO sealant on the actual gas connections.

Cheers - John

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Thanks, but don't worry about it John, these know it alls are everywhere you go and think everyone is below them and their knowledge is superior to the reality ands rarely read what's posted. But when you see the reality on the road year after year, it's a bit of a laugh.

 

There is tape on the joints between hose lengths and taping them was on the advice of the government gas inspector, they don't use tape on most gas connections because there is no movement. But on a moving vehicle, hoses and pipes are subject to constant vibration no matter how well they are attached and that's where 90% of gas problems occur, where the fatigue on the copper pipes is the worst, around bends and joints. The inspectors have been doing this work on land and marine transport for many years and would certainly know what works and what doesn't, unlike many urban vanners.

My motto is listen and follow the advice given by those who have the experience, knowledge and matter. Forums like this should be for the free flow of information, sadly some forums seem to be riddled with those determined to only allow their limited and biased viewpoint. They demand guidelines must be adhered to, yet they are only guidelines, not law and completely denounce anyone who has more knowledge and experience than them in travelling and life.

Same with having the regulator attached directly to the gas bottle and flexible hose after that. Another bit of advice from the inspectors and for the same reason, constant vibration. They also advised on the best type of hose to use and never use plain rubber as internal gas pressure breaks it down.

 

 

 

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Crap! 

Spook wrote:

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native pepper wrote:

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rockylizard wrote:

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Spook wrote:

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native pepper wrote:

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~~~Now we put the flexible hoses inside black poly pipe and seal the ends with silicone, this way nothing gets to the hoses to wear them out. ~~~

---

It is actually against AS5601 guidelines to use ANY sealant, tape or otherwise, on flared or metal to metal joints such as pigtail connectors. I usually have a chuckle when I see yellow tape on a POL connector.

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 Gday...

I think ya got Native Pepper's description a bit muddled. I read that as he puts the flexible hoses INSIDE some poly pipe as a protection .... and the silicone seals the gap between the black poly and the flexible hose. I have read it that there is NO sealant on the actual gas connections.

Cheers - John

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Thanks, but don't worry about it John, these know it alls are everywhere you go and think everyone is below them and their knowledge is superior to the reality ands rarely read what's posted. But when you see the reality on the road year after year, it's a bit of a laugh.

 

There is tape on the joints between hose lengths and taping them was on the advice of the government gas inspector, they don't use tape on most gas connections because there is no movement. But on a moving vehicle, hoses and pipes are subject to constant vibration no matter how well they are attached and that's where 90% of gas problems occur, where the fatigue on the copper pipes is the worst, around bends and joints. The inspectors have been doing this work on land and marine transport for many years and would certainly know what works and what doesn't, unlike many urban vanners.

My motto is listen and follow the advice given by those who have the experience, knowledge and matter. Forums like this should be for the free flow of information, sadly some forums seem to be riddled with those determined to only allow their limited and biased viewpoint. They demand guidelines must be adhered to, yet they are only guidelines, not law and completely denounce anyone who has more knowledge and experience than them in travelling and life.

Same with having the regulator attached directly to the gas bottle and flexible hose after that. Another bit of advice from the inspectors and for the same reason, constant vibration. They also advised on the best type of hose to use and never use plain rubber as internal gas pressure breaks it down.

 

 

 

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Crap! 

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 Fairrrrrdinkum NP knows everything so how would what he says be crap...

native pepper wrote:

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[1] There is tape on the joints between hose lengths and taping them was on the advice of the government gas inspector, they don't use tape on most gas connections because there is no movement.

[2[My motto is listen and follow the advice given by those who have the experience, knowledge and matter. Forums like this should be for the free flow of information,

[3]sadly some forums seem to be riddled with those determined to only allow their limited and biased viewpoint.

[4]They demand guidelines must be adhered to, yet they are only guidelines, not law and completely denounce anyone who has more knowledge and experience than them in travelling and life.

 

 

Hi

[1]

That seems to mean you sugeest JOINING lengths of FLexible hose 

[2]MY Motto too, but  to those seeking  advice make sure the one you are taking advice from, has the REALl qualifications & experince to

to give you correct advice[That He KNOWS the applicable requirements for SAFE use]

[3]Yes  only TOO True, one of those has been spouting CRAP on this thread

[4]Another indication of how little some with a lot to say & advice KNOW, is their attitude to Standards

Many Standards are advisory only 

But MANY Standards are mandatory made so by the states under STATE ACTS & Regulations

Those STATE ACTS & REGULATIONS will state WHO CAN LEGALLY /LAWFULLY DO SUCH WORK& to which STANDARD IT SHALL COMPLY

To do such work usually requires A license issued BY THAT STATE's AUTHORISING BODY

Non licensed holders SHALL NOT DO SUCH WORK & if caught can be & often are subject to heavy penalities

TWO Groups of MANDATORY STANDARDS that have particular apllication to RVers/ Vanners etc are:

[a]THE APLLICABLE ELECTRICAL STANDARDS

The applicable gas STANDARDS

ANYONE who suggests other wise is talking CRAP  & anything else they say should be considered the same[CRAP]

PeterQ

Aus-Kiwi wrote:

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Shhesh school children .. !!!

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Was warned when I joined this forum by a number of members to be aware of some trolls who frequent many of these forums abusing and denigrating others. Was given links so I could see what they were like elsewhere, very eye opening indeed. Didn't realise there were still such infantile inadequate psychotic minds around. Thought they'd died out with the dinosaurs, was also told these people spend 99% of their time inside a house and not on the road, giving the indication they were just wanna be's and hate anyone who has freedom, experience, are responsible, happy and safe within their lives on the road.

It's the same on all the forums I looked at these nondescripts infect and what I was told is perfectly right. Sadly those forums are losing posters because of these 3-4 misfits and it seems the same here, many aren't game to post in some threads because of the abuse from the trolls. Like a pack of inadequate children, they bully, insult, denigrate and do all they can to abuse others. Rather pathetic and extremely infantile, but expected from those who have failed in life and are just miserable cloned slaves. If they act like that on the road, bet they are in for a massive shock when someone recognises who they are and takes them to task. But as psychopathic cowards, they would only take on others when in a situation where they think they are anonymous, but they aren't and everyone knows exactly who and where they are.

You can also bet they are the first ones to complain to moderators, which is par for the course for inadequate, empty minds.