"Manchester United was in second place on the table until they beat Liverpool on the weekend."
As you note it is clearly grammatically wrong to mix both plural and singular when referring to the one entity. I would probably write it as you did without even thinking about it. If I thought about it, finding the correct wording is not easy. I would probably change it around to avoid that issue. Such as " .... but achieved first place by beating Liverpool on the weekend".
watsea said
01:36 PM Dec 17, 2024
Dorian,
wat? like, we was posta learn by readin n listnon? Like, cumon, bro.
Magnarc said
07:44 AM Dec 18, 2024
Does it really matter how a sentence is constructed as long as the reader can understand what is being conveyed?. I get more annoyed with the mispronunciation of words by people on the goggle box who are too lazy to do their research.If one is going to use a foreign word like debut, please take the trouble to check the pronunciation. ( sports commentators please note!)
PS I get more pedantic every day but a few drams of a 10yr old Glen Moray and I don't really care about anything!.
dorian said
10:45 AM Dec 18, 2024
Magnarc wrote:
Does it really matter how a sentence is constructed as long as the reader can understand what is being conveyed?.
The Internet is international, so it's not just native English speakers who read this forum. If you feed rubbish into Google's translator, worse rubbish comes out the other end. Try reading some Russian forums and you'll understand what I mean.
Long Weekend said
12:09 PM Dec 18, 2024
Reminds me of the saying: "Garbage in, Garbage out."
Except for Government Departments. Then it becomes: "Gabage In, Gospel Out."
Don't believe that? Then you haven't tried to convince a government department that their records are wrong!
I read Russian and Polish tech forums, and sometimes Chinese ones. They know how Western tech works better than westerners do.
rmoor said
05:52 PM Dec 19, 2024
I am sure they do.
Also the origin of many scammers.
One would expect the likes of ASIO would be monitoring similar sites out of a couple of those recidivist locations.
DMaxer said
07:00 PM Dec 19, 2024
I wonder what they make of this forum.
rmoor said
07:22 PM Dec 19, 2024
I reckon they would be mightily impressed with the large degree of c*mmunist overtones on this site......
dorian said
09:54 AM Dec 20, 2024
rmoor wrote:
One would expect the likes of ASIO would be monitoring similar sites out of a couple of those recidivist locations.
ASIO would most probably be using forensic equipment and software sourced from Russia or China or Ukraine (or Israel), as would most western police forces and many private companies. Until they were banned by the US, Kaspersky was the premier antivirus vendor.
BTW, I'm not talking about nefarious tools. These are commercial tools produced by "white-hats".
-- Edited by dorian on Friday 20th of December 2024 10:37:44 AM
Brodie Allen said
08:58 AM Dec 28, 2024
Davkaz wrote:
My friend brought a new caravan and bought it round to show me.
Good one, Kazdav !!!!
Some will miss it. !
B
This is one type of behaviour up with which I will not put!
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 28th of December 2024 09:01:26 AM
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 28th of December 2024 09:02:04 AM
Hitting the road said
05:31 PM Jan 6, 2025
While the subject of lazy English is topical...my pet hate is the common use now of; "from the get go". What tha? What ever happened to'"from the start", "from the outset", "from the beginning", where the hell did "get go" come from?
Magnarc said
07:18 AM Jan 7, 2025
Hitting the road wrote:
While the subject of lazy English is topical...my pet hate is the common use now of; "from the get go". What tha? What ever happened to'"from the start", "from the outset", "from the beginning", where the hell did "get go" come from?
The good old USofA mate. They have been slaughtering the English language for years.
Note that Ad has been around for a long, long time. Ad Infinitum.
-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 7th of January 2025 07:19:48 AM
Magnarc said
12:58 PM Jan 7, 2025
rmoor wrote:
I reckon they would be mightily impressed with the large degree of c*mmunist overtones on this site......
Ron that post is absolute bovine excrement, a thought or two would be good advice before posting such assumptions, because that is all they are in your opinion. Just because someone does not vote right wing conservative does not mean they are communists.
Long Weekend said
02:45 PM Jan 7, 2025
I note that the Engine Saver ad at the top of the page has been corrected. Bet they don't make that mistake again.
A couple of years ago I was in a shopping mall and a key cutting/engraving/shoe repair stall had a sign up: "Don't LOOSE your head over a lost key, have a spare made now."
I couldn't help myself and mentioned to the man behind the counter: "If you did LOSE your head, it would indeed be LOOSE!" All I got was a blank look.
Murray
BBN2 said
03:24 PM Jan 7, 2025
Long Weekend wrote:
A couple of years ago I was in a shopping mall and a key cutting/engraving/shoe repair stall had a sign up: "Don't LOOSE your head over a lost key, have a spare made now."
I couldn't help myself and mentioned to the man behind the counter: "If you did LOSE your head, it would indeed be LOOSE!" All I got was a blank look.
But you proved how clever you were and how stupid he was.
As you note it is clearly grammatically wrong to mix both plural and singular when referring to the one entity. I would probably write it as you did without even thinking about it. If I thought about it, finding the correct wording is not easy. I would probably change it around to avoid that issue. Such as " .... but achieved first place by beating Liverpool on the weekend".
wat? like, we was posta learn by readin n listnon? Like, cumon, bro.
Does it really matter how a sentence is constructed as long as the reader can understand what is being conveyed?. I get more annoyed with the mispronunciation of words by people on the goggle box who are too lazy to do their research.If one is going to use a foreign word like debut, please take the trouble to check the pronunciation. ( sports commentators please note!)
PS I get more pedantic every day but a few drams of a 10yr old Glen Moray and I don't really care about anything!.
The Internet is international, so it's not just native English speakers who read this forum. If you feed rubbish into Google's translator, worse rubbish comes out the other end. Try reading some Russian forums and you'll understand what I mean.
Except for Government Departments. Then it becomes: "Gabage In, Gospel Out."
Don't believe that? Then you haven't tried to convince a government department that their records are wrong!
Murray
CFMEU, Greens, Labor Cabinet and several obvious on this forum.
I read Russian and Polish tech forums, and sometimes Chinese ones. They know how Western tech works better than westerners do.
Also the origin of many scammers.
One would expect the likes of ASIO would be monitoring similar sites out of a couple of those recidivist locations.
ASIO would most probably be using forensic equipment and software sourced from Russia or China or Ukraine (or Israel), as would most western police forces and many private companies. Until they were banned by the US, Kaspersky was the premier antivirus vendor.
BTW, I'm not talking about nefarious tools. These are commercial tools produced by "white-hats".
-- Edited by dorian on Friday 20th of December 2024 10:37:44 AM
Good one, Kazdav !!!!
Some will miss it. !
B
This is one type of behaviour up with which I will not put!
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 28th of December 2024 09:01:26 AM
-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Saturday 28th of December 2024 09:02:04 AM
The good old USofA mate. They have been slaughtering the English language for years.
Note that Ad has been around for a long, long time. Ad Infinitum.
-- Edited by Magnarc on Tuesday 7th of January 2025 07:19:48 AM
Ron that post is absolute bovine excrement, a thought or two would be good advice before posting such assumptions, because that is all they are in your opinion. Just because someone does not vote right wing conservative does not mean they are communists.
A couple of years ago I was in a shopping mall and a key cutting/engraving/shoe repair stall had a sign up: "Don't LOOSE your head over a lost key, have a spare made now."
I couldn't help myself and mentioned to the man behind the counter: "If you did LOSE your head, it would indeed be LOOSE!" All I got was a blank look.
Murray
But you proved how clever you were and how stupid he was.